Other than the guy who lied about when the '05s would be out, I have nothing but praise for Rosenthal. If you're looking for an 8 (or anything else for that matter), just do your research, go in and ask for Michael Allen. He's actually in Nissan internet sales but is certified for Mazda as well. He was fair, informative, and never once hassled me to see "what it would take to get me to buy a car." He named a price as I was leaving (200 over invoice, actually, not horrible) when I simply came in to look, and never called or gave me flak about coming back in to buy. When I did choose to order, he did his best to get me exactly what I wanted. Two thumbs up