DeViLbOi

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Hey Ryan...you mind if I tag along and learn stuff on Sunday?

Gopherage

Well I spotted 3 more 8's today, are people just driving them more because the gas prices came down? I figure none of them are you guys but i'll say where I saw them anyways.

Red Touring with a spoiler in Wadsworth getting on the freeway at about 7.am (think it was a girl driving, sorry if i'm wrong)

Red Touring in Kent maybe around 2ish? I wasn't really paying attention tried to give him a wave he seemed to ignore me.

A Grey One on Rt.14 I think I saw him pass twice I was eating at Mr.Hero.

Most of you guys are far from where I am so I doubt it's you guys but worth a check maybe these people saw me and decided to go check the forums too

RK

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You mean learn by watching me eff up? Sure! I mean it's not like I've done any of this so I'm sure it'll be a minor clusterfudge.

I actually don't know where I'm gonna do any of the work at. Gonna check to see tonight if my mom's garage in NW Akron is level if not I may go to my brother's in Medina. Hell if you've got a level garage I'd be happy enough to use yours.

Usually I go to my mom's since that's where my exploder is parked. Figure if I jack things up bad enough I always can drive home in that pos.

RK

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Josh that's a crazy number of 8s you're spotting. I'm lucky to see 1 a week.

As for the CEL with Brian's help while at the Ledges we think it's because there's no cap on the exit for my VFAD vacuum hose. Either I never put the plastic cap on after removing the hose for my intake install or it fell off. Checking my intake parts to see if the caps there proving I'm a retard who can't follow instructions ( ) otherwise I'll get a new cap. Hope that clears the CEL.

Jon316G

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Ummm... no cap on the "exit" for your VFAD vacuum hose?
There shouldn't be ANY vacuum hoses from the VFAD.
Did you cap the nipple on the intake manifold or did I just over-analysis the wording you used (which happens a lot with me )

I remember the cap that RB included was a really tight fit, so I doubt it just came off.
But if you are missing the cap and can't find it, Autozone sells an assortment of caps for a few dollars.

DeViLbOi

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That's exactly what I meant actually. :P I won't actually be home. I am headed out to the rents on Sat night after work. Was just gonna buzz on over to wherever you were working from there. They don't have a real garage and mine is a real bitch to do anything in because of how I share it with my neighbor. If you get stuck Im sure she wouldn't mind pullin the Jag out for you though. And if all else fails...we can just go up and use the parking garage at the office...Im sure they wouldn't mind. :P

RK

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Bingo. It's the red cap used to cover the nipple on the intake manifold. I thought the VFAD ran around the intake to that but I think it was the hose from the intake to the manifold. No idea what that was used for or why the RB intake doesn't use it so I figured it had to do w/the VFAD.

I actually put it on the nipple on the OEM intake. I think I remember trying to put it on the nipple on the manifold and it wouldn't fit... So, the brilliant dumbass that I am, I tried it on the other nipple. It fit fine. So in my world that meant it must be where it belongs. CEL didn't go off tonight thru two drive cycles. I'll probably reset it tomorrow and see if it returns. This time I'll use the odometer trick rather than the brake trick. That way both my KAM and... HVRAM? Whatever. The more random ram will have been reset. Should get my car as 'tuned' as it can be w/o an AP. Is it possible, especially combined with burning oil near the manifold, that bad air did get in there and I'll need to fix something else? Besides the plugs/coils is there any other 'cleaning' that I should consider? I think not but I only play a mechanic on TV.

John - I'll let you know where I'm doing the work. If you're around and bored on Sunday feel free to stop in. Even though it theoretically should only take a couple hours I'm sure it'll take most of the day for me. Whatever time I've got left will involve de-sapping my car and liberally applying coats of Zaino.

RK

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Apparantly 3rd time is a charm... No CEL on the drive into work this morning. CEL was actually off as soon as I started it so it must do a check on ignition.

DeViLbOi

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Cool...just send me a txt since my rents don't have internet.

Jon316G

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That whole paragraph just gave me a headache...
"VFAD ran around the intake to it but think it was a hose from the intake to the manifold?"
I'm still not sure what you are trying to say there!

Its NVRAM... but close enough.
NVRAM (Non-Volatile Random Access Memory)- keeps engine data or running behavior based on your driving style, like fuel trims and fault codes.
KAM (Keep Alive Memory)- stores sensor profiles and MIL codes.

More like "trimmed"... the ECU learns the "trim" based on what its "tuned" to do.
Without a tune (AP) the ECU just trims itself based on factory "tunes".
I know... I'm being picky! Better to let me explain it than get flamed elsewhere on the forum...

What do you mean "burning oil near the manifold"? Was the oil INSIDE the intake's accordion tube?
Did bad air get in where?

At least you're starting to get your hands dirty... its a start!

docgatorx8er

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If you'd just put that lift in my garage, you wouldn't have all these issues!

DeViLbOi

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Did Doc just volunteer his garage for tomorrow?

docgatorx8er

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I volunteered to let Ryan "store" his new lift in my garage a long time ago. Not sure why he's delaying

RK

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That makes two of us! Actually I know what I am saying I just don't know how to put it in engrish. Really not important anyway.

Heh. I'd watch my wording a lot more if I was posting elsewhere. But that's helpful ie. trimmed vs. tuned.

The tech at the dealer thinks the burnt smell was residual oil from an oil change. I looked and don't see anything and haven't noticed the smell since Wed. AM. I did notice that I had too much oil in there from the last time I added so I'm assuming I just over-filled.

Through the nipple in the manifold. The one uncovered. Obviously they fire off the CEL to warn me that there was unfiltered air getting in. My question is why? What's the risk to that air getting in?

RK

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I'm sure it's in the mail. Surprised it hasn't made it there...

Jon316G

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Did you check to make sure oil didn't get into your intake?
Did you clean the MAF sensor when you changed out your intake?


I wouldn't worry about it.
The VFAD actuator (the flap that is in the front of the air duct) is pulled open by vacuum from this line when the solenoid opens above 5500RPM.
By not capping the nipple, you just created a vacuum leak into your intake.
You didn't run it too long without the cap, so nothing serious should have happened.

DeViLbOi

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errr...wasn't there an HPDE and an autocross after he installed?

RK

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Nope. Ran the charity autox that Saturday and plopped on the intake that Sunday.

How could oil get into my air intake? How about I nod affirmative and we just forget you ever asked this question.

No. I was very careful to not touch it or mess with it at all during the transfer from the old intake to the new intake. They were pretty clear on the instructions to be careful with it and I wouldn't have a clue what to use to clean it. The sensor worked fine on the old so I went with the basic assumption of 'not broke, don't clean it'.

Ah. So I could have created a leak into my intake even tho it sits further up in the engine bay from the manifold where the nipple was? So essentially instead of having filtered cold air coming in through the intake the MAF sensor in the tubing might have been picking up dirty/warm circulated air from the vacuum leak?

I suppose that makes sense to me. And it was run ~1000 miles and no high-strain periods (HPDE/AutoX) so it should be kosher.

Jon316G

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Do this for me....
Next time you open your hood, look at the spout where you fill your oil.
Towards the top you'll see a black hose. Follow that hose.....
It'll lead you to the intake. When you overfill your oil, it'll run down that hose and into your intake.

DeViLbOi

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ewwwwwwwww...What do you think the reasoning was for that design?

Jon316G

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Its a breather hose for the oil.
Its used to relieve built up pressure.
This is why people install catch-cans... its installed between the oil spout and the intake and will collect any oil that runs down that breather hose.

Jon316G

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Another thing I forgot to mention... you should always use a funnel when filling your oil.
The funnel will sit below this hose, but without it, oil can get into the hose while pouring it.

DeViLbOi

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But why would you relieve pressure into the area of the intake? Why wouldn't you go down the firewall or something? *shrug* Just doesn't make sense to put it somewhere where it can get sucked back in. Unless they are using it to lubricate the air filter.

Jon316G

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The hose sits after the filter (one of the three hoses on the accordion tube of your intake)... plus its a different oil.

DeViLbOi

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I was pretty sure it was different oil...but why would you release the oil pressure into your intake?

btw Jon...while I have you here...the c6c guys are taking part in a charity car show down your way. Didn't know if you would be interested in checking it out. Completely forgot about it until a little bit ago.

http://forum.330tuning.com/viewtopic...p=19166#p19166