(CLOSED) CZ Stage 1/2 GB #2
08-25-2004, 07:25 PM
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CAnzoomer sucks and that's about all I going to say about that. Maurice may be a great guy but his business practice sucks.
So if things keep going this way I should get my unit by next damn summer. This is $%$%#$%#$$%@#$ crazy.
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So if things keep going this way I should get my unit by next damn summer. This is $%$%#$%#$$%@#$ crazy.
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08-25-2004, 07:50 PM
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I think we should have all said hey... screw canzoomer.... we should just buy the emanage and follow maniacs guide. Besides... on a lot of our cars, the CZ wont work without custom configs. And Omicron feel free to jump in here, because I have heard you say before that the CZ installed into tons of cars without having any issues and we only hear about the bad ones. I am waving the BS flag right here and right now. I doubt it has gone into that many cars at all. Why? Well it's simple... if an order for 34 units can't be completed in 6 months, how many units are you selling exactly? Ask petit how they feel about the CZ unit. Or why doesn't someone read the latest issue of RXTuner. I got my copy, and with Boostd7's permission, I would gladly scan the article and post it here. Hell at this point I would even post it on my website for everyone to see.
Oh yah... and Omicron, if there were so many CZ units that were sold and worked fine out of the box, you could imagine we could get a decent dyno from at least ONE of them showing a gain. Now you say that you are suspicious of dyno gains, but here is my very basic theory you should see a difference between the two. SInce you are dyno'ing with the dyno and everything being equal, you should be able to still gain some power with a CZ unit. But not one of these elusive sucessful default installs has had even a decent dyno. At this point, I think it would even be nice to see a side by side gtech run.
Perhaps I seem sour... indeed I am. I could have saved myself money and at this point time just buying an emanage and going to town.
One thing I will give CZ credit for, is for getting those wonderful wire harnesses made. Perhaps he should start selling those and let us buy the emanage ourselves.
Slavearm
Oh yah... and Omicron, if there were so many CZ units that were sold and worked fine out of the box, you could imagine we could get a decent dyno from at least ONE of them showing a gain. Now you say that you are suspicious of dyno gains, but here is my very basic theory you should see a difference between the two. SInce you are dyno'ing with the dyno and everything being equal, you should be able to still gain some power with a CZ unit. But not one of these elusive sucessful default installs has had even a decent dyno. At this point, I think it would even be nice to see a side by side gtech run.
Perhaps I seem sour... indeed I am. I could have saved myself money and at this point time just buying an emanage and going to town.
One thing I will give CZ credit for, is for getting those wonderful wire harnesses made. Perhaps he should start selling those and let us buy the emanage ourselves.
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08-25-2004, 10:39 PM
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you can... (2 patch harnesses)
https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-aftermarket-performance-modifications-23/has-anyone-seen-ecu-37114/
https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-aftermarket-performance-modifications-23/has-anyone-seen-ecu-37114/
08-27-2004, 10:49 AM
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This is not very encouraging. Polak is selling his Stage 1. He did the article in RX Tuner. https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...120#post503120 If this unit doesnt make 20hp like he claimed when I purchased it, im sending mine back for a refund.
08-27-2004, 11:31 AM
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You know.. looking back over the year that this has been going on, I really do think that 20hp was possible.. with the K Flash.. It seems that as the flashes have progressed to M, the likely hood of gaining 20hp has diminished...
Thats crazy though.. I saw that Polak was selling his too.. definitely not encouraging...
Thats crazy though.. I saw that Polak was selling his too.. definitely not encouraging...
08-27-2004, 11:31 AM
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Yah,
I really wanted to just buy his unit, and sell my spot on the GB, but I really doubt I could get anyone to buy my spot after all this crap has gone on.
Slavearm
I really wanted to just buy his unit, and sell my spot on the GB, but I really doubt I could get anyone to buy my spot after all this crap has gone on.
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08-27-2004, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by davefzr
haha.. I just saw your avatar.. there are lots of creative people on this forum...
Good one..... :D
Good one..... :D
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08-27-2004, 05:17 PM
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I should get mine next week some time. I will be dynoing my car within 2-3 weeks of getting it to see if I am getting what I paid for and waited sooooooooooo long to get.
08-29-2004, 05:01 PM
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I am probably going to head down to XS Engineering or Signal to do 3 dyno runs...
1. No CZ
2. Default CZ
3. Slavearm Tuned CZ
I just hate paying dyno fees, seems like such a price hike... I may have to try to talk the TRD guys at my work into doing some free evening dyno runs... well at least get off by buying them Diner and Coronas hahaha.
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1. No CZ
2. Default CZ
3. Slavearm Tuned CZ
I just hate paying dyno fees, seems like such a price hike... I may have to try to talk the TRD guys at my work into doing some free evening dyno runs... well at least get off by buying them Diner and Coronas hahaha.
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09-01-2004, 02:42 PM
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Well I just got my unit and installed it. It was very easy to install. I drove the car around for about 15 min, but I dont seem to notice any difference from the butt dyno. hmmm...
09-01-2004, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Jump120MPH
Well I just got my unit and installed it. It was very easy to install. I drove the car around for about 15 min, but I dont seem to notice any difference from the butt dyno. hmmm...
09-01-2004, 03:18 PM
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low and behold, I literally just got mine dropped off... report to follow after giving the computer time to adjust... time to install!!!
Edit: do not lean your left arm on the fender when installing, I did and my fender started to buckle and luckily I got off it fast enough and no damage... just an fyi to the rest of you. For the rear ecu pop rivet thing, I unpluged the harness that wire goes into as getting underneath that rivet is too difficult. The front one is easier.
5:03pm : First drive (15 min or so), idle seems fine although slightly rougher, but only slightly. Car boggs down under 4K RPM... leaving the driveway, I thought I would stall the car. Above 5Krpm the car sometimes pulled very hard, and revved very fast, other times it felt slower. Checked the coils, (90 degree day here) everything looks good, but did smell some electrical component stuff, but only slightly. Top of ECU cover was not very warm, battery cover was very hot, air intake cover was inbetween, engine cover, also very hot.Going to try to get 4 more runs in this evening.
5:41pm : 2nd Drive, about same 15 min length, hard to really open up due to rush hour. Idling really rough upon startup, then resolved it'self within a sec or 2, but stilly that very slightly rough idle. Bogging symptom is better, not nearly as much as last time as it did it on just about every run the first time. Did it about 3 times this second run. The last straightaway to the house it revved increadibly fast to 9K, but I'm only able to do this in first gear and then shifting into second up to about 6 or 7 K before I have to shut it down. Smelled a slight electronic smell again, but fainter. Checked coils, still appear to be good. I should also add, half way through each run, I am disabling the traction control with the long hold down method, so it's gets the time on each run split between the two. Butt dyno doesn't show much, as it's not the torque that you really feel, but rather noticing that it gets to redline faster than it used to. Engine cover and battery cover are very hot, air intake lesser, but hot, ecu cover coolest of the three, but hot. More runs to come this evening.
6:18pm : 3rd drive, idle better on startup, but noticed later it still as slighly rough, and could feel it in the gearshift like before, 90% of the time, it felt fine and is livable if it doesn't continue to improve. bogging is almost nonexistant now. Thought it did, but only feels that way at about 2K rpm, and I think that time I was slightly lugging the engine. Interstate cruise for 15+ minutes. Revvs very fast, and car seems to be getting accustomed to the CZ. Dropped down into 3rd doing 60-70 and should have blipped the throttle before hand, screetch... and climbed rapidly. Won't be able to do any 4th gear+ runs this evening, as that requires a drive outside of town. Things don't necessarily "feel" a whole lot torqier, just notice it revs faster than it used to. There is a surge aroung 5K, and I think it is adapting. Didn't smell any electronics, and haven't checked the coils, as it seems to be getting along better now. I'll cook dinner and let it completely cool off, then go for an evening drive and continue to report. Oh, forgot to add, took an exit of the interstate ramp way hard, as the lane was open passing two cars and a cop in the opposing lane... he didn't come after me, just an fyi to be careful out there while you are testing.
8:14 pm : 4th drive... didn't get to crazy here, a 7-10 minute drive and I can only see a couple of little issues... the idle still sputters every couple of seconds... nothing too viloently, but every 2-3 seconds you hear a sputter. She wasn't cooled off at all yet, but I did check the coils before I took her out again, and they look fine. Still noticing a bit of a bog at low (2K rpm) levels... I thought I might have been lugging slightly before, but I don't think so. The first & second drive, the bogging was very prounounced, and while it decreased from first to second, and again from second to third, I have not experienced that since, I do notice a slightly deeper requirement for rpm's if you shift at 2K, there is a definate bogg or hesitation that was not there before, but it is at very low rpm's. I still think in order for someone to get the most out of this system, they will need to tune it to their own cars' nuances, but I "think" these issues, however slight are livable for now. I could change my mind, as I'm pretty picky, but things are running 100% better than the first test, and these two issues are little indications of something not tuned correctly at the lowest rpm range. Everything beyond that rang seems to have settled in. Tomorrow moring I'll post up the 5th drive when completely cold..
10:00 AM : Same as 4th drive... not tuned correctly for the lower rpm's, above that is fine and better. Still sputters some
PS. I did have to reset my radio and clock... but that could have been me taking too long to do the installation and them losing thier values. Resetting those items are much easier than goofing something up on the installation. Also, I notice the second and third gear screech is much more pronounced than before. I don't beat on my car mind you, but just testing this all out, and those chirps are stronger.
Hope this is helping.
Hskr8
Edit: do not lean your left arm on the fender when installing, I did and my fender started to buckle and luckily I got off it fast enough and no damage... just an fyi to the rest of you. For the rear ecu pop rivet thing, I unpluged the harness that wire goes into as getting underneath that rivet is too difficult. The front one is easier.
5:03pm : First drive (15 min or so), idle seems fine although slightly rougher, but only slightly. Car boggs down under 4K RPM... leaving the driveway, I thought I would stall the car. Above 5Krpm the car sometimes pulled very hard, and revved very fast, other times it felt slower. Checked the coils, (90 degree day here) everything looks good, but did smell some electrical component stuff, but only slightly. Top of ECU cover was not very warm, battery cover was very hot, air intake cover was inbetween, engine cover, also very hot.Going to try to get 4 more runs in this evening.
5:41pm : 2nd Drive, about same 15 min length, hard to really open up due to rush hour. Idling really rough upon startup, then resolved it'self within a sec or 2, but stilly that very slightly rough idle. Bogging symptom is better, not nearly as much as last time as it did it on just about every run the first time. Did it about 3 times this second run. The last straightaway to the house it revved increadibly fast to 9K, but I'm only able to do this in first gear and then shifting into second up to about 6 or 7 K before I have to shut it down. Smelled a slight electronic smell again, but fainter. Checked coils, still appear to be good. I should also add, half way through each run, I am disabling the traction control with the long hold down method, so it's gets the time on each run split between the two. Butt dyno doesn't show much, as it's not the torque that you really feel, but rather noticing that it gets to redline faster than it used to. Engine cover and battery cover are very hot, air intake lesser, but hot, ecu cover coolest of the three, but hot. More runs to come this evening.
6:18pm : 3rd drive, idle better on startup, but noticed later it still as slighly rough, and could feel it in the gearshift like before, 90% of the time, it felt fine and is livable if it doesn't continue to improve. bogging is almost nonexistant now. Thought it did, but only feels that way at about 2K rpm, and I think that time I was slightly lugging the engine. Interstate cruise for 15+ minutes. Revvs very fast, and car seems to be getting accustomed to the CZ. Dropped down into 3rd doing 60-70 and should have blipped the throttle before hand, screetch... and climbed rapidly. Won't be able to do any 4th gear+ runs this evening, as that requires a drive outside of town. Things don't necessarily "feel" a whole lot torqier, just notice it revs faster than it used to. There is a surge aroung 5K, and I think it is adapting. Didn't smell any electronics, and haven't checked the coils, as it seems to be getting along better now. I'll cook dinner and let it completely cool off, then go for an evening drive and continue to report. Oh, forgot to add, took an exit of the interstate ramp way hard, as the lane was open passing two cars and a cop in the opposing lane... he didn't come after me, just an fyi to be careful out there while you are testing.
8:14 pm : 4th drive... didn't get to crazy here, a 7-10 minute drive and I can only see a couple of little issues... the idle still sputters every couple of seconds... nothing too viloently, but every 2-3 seconds you hear a sputter. She wasn't cooled off at all yet, but I did check the coils before I took her out again, and they look fine. Still noticing a bit of a bog at low (2K rpm) levels... I thought I might have been lugging slightly before, but I don't think so. The first & second drive, the bogging was very prounounced, and while it decreased from first to second, and again from second to third, I have not experienced that since, I do notice a slightly deeper requirement for rpm's if you shift at 2K, there is a definate bogg or hesitation that was not there before, but it is at very low rpm's. I still think in order for someone to get the most out of this system, they will need to tune it to their own cars' nuances, but I "think" these issues, however slight are livable for now. I could change my mind, as I'm pretty picky, but things are running 100% better than the first test, and these two issues are little indications of something not tuned correctly at the lowest rpm range. Everything beyond that rang seems to have settled in. Tomorrow moring I'll post up the 5th drive when completely cold..
10:00 AM : Same as 4th drive... not tuned correctly for the lower rpm's, above that is fine and better. Still sputters some
PS. I did have to reset my radio and clock... but that could have been me taking too long to do the installation and them losing thier values. Resetting those items are much easier than goofing something up on the installation. Also, I notice the second and third gear screech is much more pronounced than before. I don't beat on my car mind you, but just testing this all out, and those chirps are stronger.
Hope this is helping.
Hskr8
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09-01-2004, 06:45 PM
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I wanted to thank Brian for putting up with all of us and all that has happend the past 5 months. I know that you had no control over anything and I hold no hard feelings toward you. Thanks again for getting the group buy together.
09-01-2004, 06:50 PM
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More of an FYI to myself, but thought this would be useful... get a big frezzer style locking bag to collect your screws, bolts, and gold adapters... through in the semi-circle harness loom if you didn't put it back in... I'm not going to lose any of these parts!
For the challenged, don't freeze them, just use this as a way to keep your parts together...
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For the challenged, don't freeze them, just use this as a way to keep your parts together...
lol
09-01-2004, 06:55 PM
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I agree, Brian handled this very preofessionally.... he put up with our bitching, never took offense, and always followed through... Brian, you did a great job, and I'd participate in another group buy with you heading it up without hesitation!!!
I realize there are still a few others who won't get their units for a couple of weeks due to the harness shortage you mentioned, but from a management standpoint, you have done extremely well in my book.
Many Many Many Thank Yous!!!
Edit: fast shipping too...
I realize there are still a few others who won't get their units for a couple of weeks due to the harness shortage you mentioned, but from a management standpoint, you have done extremely well in my book.
Many Many Many Thank Yous!!!
Edit: fast shipping too...
Originally Posted by Jump120MPH
I wanted to thank Brian for putting up with all of us and all that has happend the past 5 months. I know that you had no control over anything and I hold no hard feelings toward you. Thanks again for getting the group buy together.
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09-01-2004, 09:57 PM
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Well after a bit more driving I notice that the car idles very rough, my g/f even noticed it. The car seems like it has alittle more power after 5k. Im going to get with one of the local 8 guys around here and run our cars to see if there is any difference. Im about to fill up so I will see about gas mileage.
09-02-2004, 06:31 PM
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check out my verdict in Canzoomer's Place forum. I notice the rough idle also. I wonder if I can tune that out. Of course I though CZ didn't change anything below 4 rpm....