Mazurfer

I have one or two dealings with Patrick and all was fine. Having said that, I do think he made an error in judgment in this case. It would appear as an oral agreement was reached and your word/integrity is all you really have.......one should work hard to protect it. This is especially important as a seller or a business owner.

I'm sure this thread won't escape his attention, so can we all just move along now?


TEAM................I understand what you are saying, because it's happened to me and it blows. But, it's different when you are the seller and the buyer backs out. It's weak of them depending on the actual situation and for sure it doesn't feel good because you may have put time and effort into answering questions or whatever. That unfortunately is a cost of doing business and is acceptable for the most part until money has changed hands or a certain level of service has been provided.

pdxhak

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IDK it sucks just as bad when either side backs out.

pdxhak

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Well nothing wrong with being civil

swoope

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yep,

it is like if you buy a wheel, tpms and tire. that is in good condition and trust the seller.. and you have the tire removed.. the wheel is bent. and not in good condition.. then you have to drill out the tpms.. to sell the wheel..

but the tire is nice..

i would like to bitch about it, but i did not ask for pics up front because i thought i was dealing with an up front seller..

but that is my fault..

beers

RotaryResurrection

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You mean this one? The one that had big pics right in the thread?

Or maybe you were thinking of some other thread. Seems up front to me? Maybe there is a reading comprehension issue in play.

EDIT:

beers

swoope

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nope tire is wrong.

beers

RotaryResurrection

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sweet, musta been somebody else you bought it from, just wanted to clear that up, seemed you were trying to hint at something... your comments are often cryptic enough that I can't tell.

swoope

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yep,

btw, win for you.. you over pack the crap out of stuff..

i learned a lot about how to ship stuff from that one transaction..

cling wrap for the win..

if i had a bitch with you about a buy. you would have had a pm before a thread like this..

beers

RotaryResurrection

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yeah, shrinkwrap is for the win...well worth the money to have a few rolls laying around.

Something else cool...if you are packing some stuff in a box and don't have any newspaper or bubble wrap handy, you can roll off a shitload of shrinkwrap in the floor, wad it up, and it makes GREAT padding. I generally use shrink for palleted stuff like engines and transmissions, but sometimes it comes in handy for shipping wheels, bumper covers, exhausts, etc.

dannobre

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God...If you pack stuff better than Sipe...it must cost a fortune to ship.

All the stuff I've had shipped from him has taken hours to unpack

RotaryResurrection

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I bet you wrap your boxes with brown paper and a string, too don't you?

swoope

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nope.

team stuff is like ziplock.. rr is like rubiz cube for the color blind..

beers

RotaryResurrection

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Hey man, if you have had some of the **** happen to your shipments that have happened to mine over the years, you'd do it that way too.

Let's see. There was the time UPS BROKE an rx-7 transmission bellhousing in half, even though it was in a plywood crate.

There was the time UPS lost 3 out of 4 wheels that I had shipped to california, and returned only one, then tried to say it was my fault.

There was the time I shipped a driveshaft in a box, and they delivered the box with no driveshaft in it. How the **** do you lose a driveshaft? It is long, metal, heavy, and clearly there was nothing in the box that they "delivered". Did no one notice a big long chunk of black metal laying on the floor?

Once they broke a rear wing in half, and to add insult to injury they denied the claim and actually charged me extra for the shipment...more than I had sold the wing for to begin with...so I lost the money I sold the wing for, and I lost the extra shipping they billed me for, and I lost the wing.

Of course I am always buying parts on the internet and 10-20% of the **** shows up damaged. People have no clue how to pack **** to survive the wrath of the UPS package gorillas.

http://www.rotaryresurrection.com/kl...swarehouse.jpg

EDIT: well, I guess the powers that be have IMG tags turned off in this area so you will just have to click the link unless you have FF + Unlinker.

TopGear8

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Patrick is poor and needs money, let him be

RotaryResurrection

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IF he is poor and needs money he has no business buying late model imports for several grand each to part out as a business.

dmc27

The bolded part is exactly what he's NOT doing for RR, which is the whole problem. Not sure how so many people are missing that.

I completely agree on the GG threads. If all of them have disappeared there is a serious integrity issue on the part of rx8club and it's ownership/management. There is no excuse for that.





EDIT: After looking back thru the GG/BG section it looks like threads are only kept for a short time. So his GG threads don't seem to be singled out for deletion. In fact, there's still one there from a few weeks ago.

Nerv

agree.

Chris_Bangle

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I lost some money and time because of this dude. It does not appear that he is bad, just disorganized and perhaps dealing with too many people at once.

burnaby rx-8

IMO if someone can't run a business by honoring agreements(especially when they are documented) and be straight with customers every time from start to finish of a transaction, they probably shouldn't be doing business at all.

Anyways, we've only heard one side of this debate, maybe the dude should speak up for himself.

RotaryResurrection

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So uh, he still has not seen fit to come in here and even attempt to defend himself and his "business" practices. I think that speaks just as much about his attitude and handling of his business as the original complaint.

RotaryResurrection

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I dunno, I know that I could not sit by idle and not respond to a public discussion/complaint about my business, legitimate or not, without coming in and posting my side of the story, or at least do some sort of damage control if I did actually screw up. There have been times when things were going on with someone starting **** on a forum and I took half a day off to respond to comments in real-time and remove any doubt that I had handled my business appropriately. It spoke a lot to the readers of the thread at the time and weeks/months afterwards that I was there responding right then...they say it demonstrated that I was there not only to make the sale, but to stand behind it if there were any issues, which is what a lot of buyers want.

Not saying anything at all in response, just ignoring it, is almost like conceding the validity of the complaint. To me at least, it also demonstrates a general lack of concern about how his business is percieved by people on this forum, which is disturbing if he wants people to trust him with their money. Kinda like the unspoken "yeah, I did it, and I'm not even gonna come here and talk about it either. You don't like it, tough ****, you can't do anything about it".

The only reason that some members of this forum will find this acceptable and still do business with him, is that there are so few cars being parted out right now, so people are willing to take more of a chance and put up with extra bullshit to get what they want at a discount...as demonstrated with the whole dom_owns scam. As soon as parting out cars becomes more common and parts costs come down as a result, there will be more competition and he will have to clean his practices up as a result.

Charles, a few days ago you seemed positively annoyed that GR2G was conducting business in this shady manner, and now it seems that instead you are positively annoyed this thread is still active. That's an interesting change of opinion in such a short period of time. IT's good to hear you were able to whip him into shape and do some good business with him, though. Maybe it will be for the benefit of everyone.

Jedi54

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silence is acceptance.

Jedi54

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alright, I'll bite....

My comment on Silence is Acceptance is derived from the possibility that maybe Patrick saw this, accepted the fact that MAYBE he could have handled this differently, and has moved on. (as many of us should by this point) Like you said Ray...what are we to do? Continue to argue this?.... It either has made an impact on Patrick's business practices or it has not.

Ray: we all pick and choose our battles. To spend the effort to argue EVERY negative thing ever said would be to make a poor business decision by improperly allocating your time to "bullshit" instead of focusing on growing your products, revenue, and client base.
HOWEVER, as you well know, "PR relations" is necessary evil from time to time so maybe this should have been one of those times for Patrick to take a few moments addressing his potential client base. (not arguing, rather addressing the transaction or clearing up any misunderstandings) It's his business and he's free to run it as he sees fit, I wish him the best as I have no ill will towards him, just sharing my $.02
You yourself have had to defend your business, products, and associates and without having done that, I do not think you'd have the reputation that you have now. Lesson: can't always be soooo focused on work that you dont' have time to address concerns about your business.

RotaryResurrection

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I'm not saying a businessman has to respond to every comment made about him, especially in private. BUt when a formal, public, seemingly legitimate complaint has been lodged, then yes I do feel that a business has a responsibility to respond in the same manner to that, otherwise it seems to only add to the feeling of poor service and lack of caring.

I think that with most enthusiasts heavily involved on the internet today, most serious businesses should be as well, it is your livelihood, where your reputation is generated, and where most of your business is earned. There are those companies who don't care to come online and promote themselves, but still manage to get by on the "word of mouth", standard methods of advertising (magazines, etc.) or simply by the fact that they are the only service outlet in their region so local who are not internet saavy have no choice but to come to them. Companies whose owners and employees will never post on a website or forum like this one, such as pettit or mazdatrix.

For the rest of us who are small time and need to continually make a name for ourselves, maintaining our internet forum relationships and standing is essential if the business is to last, and to ignore a complaint placed there only further hurts that business in my opinion.

Jedi54

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Ray, I think you answered your own question. I really think that's all people were looking for from him. I think it snowballed to where we are today because of a lack of action.

Ray: stop making the poor kid work so hard and we'd be all good.