RotaryResurrection

iTrader: (3)

I am not here to post a "bad guy" thread but instead a "be careful of how you deal with this guy" thread.

Being local to one another we have tried to do business several times over the last year or so. Most of the times it has not worked out due to Patrick's inability to keep his word/promises. The one time we actually completed a transaction it worked out fine, because he didn't go back on our agreement.

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Most recently, he pm's me this (some non relevant content has been left out of the quotes):

To which I reply:

His reply:

My reply indicating a verbal/writing agreement:

I said "sooner the better" because I know if it sits around there too long, he will get a bright idea to do otherwise with it instead of following through on our agreement.

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So a week goes by and I hear nothing. I know how he acts, so I figure I had better get back on his *** so I can take possession of this core before he goes back on his word. I sent this PM.

His reply:



WTF?? Is this EBAY?

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Previous to this, other deals have failed to go through as well, this is not an isolated incident, it is a PATTERN.

Bottom line, if you make a deal with this guy, you had better hope he doesn't run across a more enticing deal or just plain change his mind in the meantime. If he has the part off you had better pay for it or pick it up immediately if you don't want it to get sold out from under you.

He's a nice guy in person, but I dont think he has a real good idea of how to fairly conduct business on the internet from a professional standpoint.

Macius8

iTrader: (3)

Ebay it is not but its not a done deal unless both of you sign a bill of sale. I understand that you can be righteous and honor an online unwritten (verbal) deal, but if it came to half a grand i would sell it to the guy offering more as well.

RotaryResurrection

iTrader: (3)

IF he wanted more money then he should have

1) not said "okay Ill do 1k for the core", instead saying "okay I MIGHT do 1k for the core, let me think about it"

OR

2) said "I will consider it while I wait a set period of time for higher offers, and if at the end of X period of time I have none then I will take yours"

OR

3) told me to go take a long walk off a short cliff, 1k was not enough for his core.

Any of which would have been an honorable and professional way of doing business.

That is all I am saying. Anyone who would REPEATEDLY go back on his word is capable of more acts of poor business in my opinion. In other words, if he is willing to make deals with me and then change his mind, what else is he willing to do during the course of transactions?

Hence the phrase "use caution".

I have been selling and buying parts online since 1999. I have had times when I made a deal with a person for a certain price, took a deposit to hold a part for a certain amount of time, etc. and then later got a better offer. I chose not to go back on my agreements and as a result I have been rewarded with a following of happy buyers and rotary community members. I think it works out better that way in the end.

pdxhak

iTrader: (2)

Assuming everything RR has stated is 100% then I totally agree with him.

RR,

Obviously this 100% true to you so why even bother doing business with him? Who needs this type of aggravation? Seems to me you are setting your self up for failure whenever you deal with him.

Macius8

iTrader: (3)

I totally agree that this isnt a professional way of doing bussiness. I agree with what you said as well. I was just stating that there is nothing wrong with what he did (at least by law). If he chooses to conduct bussiness in this way its his problem.
Bue yes I may have not paid attention to the word caution too much.
thanks for the heads up

*sorry if this is confusing, im not that great with english grammer and choice of vacabulary

RotaryResurrection

iTrader: (3)

I agree, but he often has core engines, and right now I need to be stocking my shelf with renesis core parts for incoming rebuilds as 8's come out of warranty or get grenaded by FI owners. HE is one of the few who is parting out 8's right now. Most of the owners who wreck cars tend to just let the insurance buy the car and it goes to a junkyard, and the engine winds up on ebay as one of those "drop out swaps" for $3k.

IF you know of someone less sketchy I can deal with to get cores and core parts for renesis please let me know.

chrism

personally i have never had an issue with him but i cant argue your point either....he has always done right by me......isnt mazmart near you?

RotaryResurrection

iTrader: (3)

I think mazmart is 4.5 hours away in atlanta? What does that have to do with me anyway? I am sure they are not going to turn loose of anything they have for less than 2 grand, and since I'm targeting to get my base rebuild prices under that, well I can't really be going around giving more for cores than I will sell the rebuild for can I?

Jedi54

iTrader: (7)

Wow, that's pretty shitty business on his part. If he's going to sell parts to the highest bidder, he should just take his business elsewhere. (**cough cough EBAY **cough cough** )

ca18detsilvia

I've bought a few things off of him before and had a good experience each time, I'f someone offered me 50% more for a motor I'd take the higher price, unless you put a down payment or something he isn't in the wrong. I'm sure he's just trying to make money just like you intend to.

What does whining about it on here accomplish

swoope

iTrader: (5)

i dont get it.. you want cheap short blocks, and the person you bitch about is a trying ot make money just like you.

he is taking the risk of buying cars.. market value... invisible hand...

and the ebay thing.. i picked up a compete long block and trans for 1900 bucks.

beers

RotaryResurrection

iTrader: (3)

Do you people not understand the concept of an

AGREEMENT

?

I guess I could argue this all day, some people with morals will get it, others who are out for the dollar will not. Oh, and for those of you who can't see the forest for the trees, I am not here to get cores for my health. I am doing it for you guys' own benefit. Owners are now starting to come to me needing engine repair, but to do that I need parts to replace what they grenade. I can't just pull parts out of my ***, but since everybody wants to get by as cheap as they can when the time comes to do repair work, I can't be paying more for unknown condition cores than I plan to sell the rebuild for.

The next time one of you walk into a restaurant, read the menu and order, and eat your meal, I hope the waitress brings you a bill charging you more than the menu originally stated, and expects you to pay. Then we will see if you all "don't see the problem, since everybody needs to make money". I mean ****, the waitress is just trying to make money, and since you didn't get a copy of the menu prices in writing as a contract, well it doesn't much matter anyway huh.

Or maybe the next time you go car shopping, you hammer out a deal with the salesman, and go to your bank to get the check after completing negotiations. Then the sales manager calls you and tells you someone made a higher offer on the car, and the deal you all just made doesn't count for **** unless you can match the other offer. Yeah, no doubt everyone would just go right along with that scenario without feeling **** on, too.

What if I took your car to do repair work, quoted you a certain amount, but later called you and told you that I saw other shops charging way more, so I think I need to charge that much as well...since we are all here to make money and all. I am sure no one here would have a problem with that, either, and would happily pay and consider that a fair business practice.

Cut the bullshit and think of it logically. If you were in the same situation and someone pulled a stunt like this you'd be highly pissed too. And you'd feel the need to let others know how that person or business conducts their transactions, to keep others from getting **** on later.

Or maybe I really am one of the few people left with actual BUSINESS ETHICS. I dunno.

mysql

a deal is a deal. It might not be legally binding, but you do not commit to a price then jack it up when you find a better deal. I can't tell you how many parts I've sold on this forum for a set price when someone comes along and offers me more money. I always turn them down because I agreeded to the price and made a deal. Technically I could pull out, but what does a man have if not his word and reputation?

BigRed

Nothing unfortunately... I was planning on using that for my exam in 1 1/2 hours.

mysql

hmm, don't look too closely at my engrish above, I typed it out on my iphone and unfortunately it's not the best platform for writing stuff out.

GuyWithRx8

iTrader: (3)

I have bought a couple things from G3tr3ddy2gr3ddy and he seems to be pretty fair. It doesn't sound like this deal was completely sealed. If you're mad that he decided to sell to someone else when he was still talking to you about the core you should pm greddy, not complain here. Obviously there was a lack of communication and things were not clarified.

RotaryResurrection

iTrader: (3)

I don't see a lack of communication. I don't see that we "were still talking". I see that a deal had been struck, I was only waiting on HIM to make it available to me.

I don't see how things can be interpreted any other way, than a verbal/written contract between me and him for that part for the price we agreed on, as soon as he can get it out and available for me to pick up.

Please go back and read the correspondence again and post how it can be interpreted any other way by a reasonable person.

Rems31

well from those message it seems that he offered 1K and it was accepted.

FloppinNachos

I don't know whether to call this irony or karma or both.

I just can't take complaints about business ethics seriously from the guy offering the "$1,000 renesis rebuild".

ca18detsilvia

All I have to say is from how your handling this situation I'd never do business w/ you, your not helping yourself out very much on this one, get over it and stop whining about it.

Jedi54

iTrader: (7)

wow, this thread took a different direction then I thought it was going to...

I'm not picking sides here as I've actually never done business with either party BUT apparently most of you agree with the bait and switch tactic. Allow me to clarify...

Imagine that one of you guys is buying something from a vendor. (use your imagination, pick any price or part you like) You PM the vendor with a price, he tells you $___ and you think to yourself, 'COOL, found what I was looking for".

Later on the person contacts you and says, "Sorry but Joe says he'll pay more then what you offered, you feel like paying MORE money???"
That's pretty much what I see happening here and I guess I'm one of the few that finds that to be a poor business practice.

RotaryResurrection

iTrader: (3)

I do not offer a $1000 renesis rebuild. Get your facts straight before you make more of an *** out of yourself.

Had you bothered to check, you'd find I have one of the best reputations in north america for rotary engine builds, more so than many "professional, high end" shops. I often sell parts to some of the larger engine building shops as well.

Open mouth, insert foot. Next?

Rems31

So if you saw an advertised price at a store and go check out and the cashier gives you a different price you would just get over it? You wouldn't fight for that advertised price or get a bit ticked off that you were misled?

ca18detsilvia

he's just a guy selling parts trying to make money just like the rest of us. He's not a company and he not serving you dinner at a restaurant.

pdxhak

iTrader: (2)

NO he is just a guy who reached an agreement with someone. Enough said!