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Old 09-23-2011, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Giustino
If you have not recovered from a $2200 loss in 3 years you should never of had a FI car let alone a FI rx8?

I still think its a valuable life lesson, don't send $2200 to anyone who you don't know unless you are willing to lose it!

/recover?
STFU! i am so tired of seeing people basically saying dont do business unless you can afford to loose it. B.S. thats a looser mentality.

MM, raving baby or not he is a paying raving baby and deserves his product or money.

why i got involved. I was a prospective client for you MM! not so much now!
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It's clear customer relations aren't a big deal to him. Your loss of business is moot.
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As the days, the weeks, and the monthes go by, i mean since the beginning of August when Jeff pretend having shipped all the kits, the reputation of honesty, and the cooperation of this guy towards his customers is going down. Why doens't he want to change it? just because he's proud of his knowledge, and he can be. The technical skill of this guy is not to be proved. But not to be at the point of forgetting that his customers are his future.

Jeff everybody here has understood your financial difficulties, and nobody wouldn't have criticized your postion if only you had not refused to give some news (even bad) to your customers during these centuries of waiting. So try to become more positive and let's stop this ******* confrontation by giving us proofs we need.

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Originally Posted by Darkness8
STFU! i am so tired of seeing people basically saying dont do business unless you can afford to loose it. B.S. thats a looser mentality.

MM, raving baby or not he is a paying raving baby and deserves his product or money.

why i got involved. I was a prospective client for you MM! not so much now!
Old 09-26-2011, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
Jeff is more than capable of representing his own position in this, Todd.
thank you Ray.

That goes for the rest of you too. no bandwagoning is really necessary on either side although appreciate that everyone has their own ideas about the situation lets limit the back and forth as much as possible

Jeff- I removed the video because as you know we have a policy about peoples phone numbers and addresses being posted on the site. since you included his phone number as text in the beginning of the vid I had to remove the whole thing.
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Originally Posted by paimon.soror
I completely understand, but at the end of the day, there is no proof showing that MM didn't send the kits out, there is no proof showing that the guy paid for the kits, so who is who to say one person is wrong or the other is wrong.
Jeff has acknowledged receiving payment for the kit. Jeff has said the kit has shipped.
Old 09-26-2011, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by zoom44
Originally Posted by paimon.soror
I completely understand, but at the end of the day, there is no proof showing that MM didn't send the kits out, there is no proof showing that the guy paid for the kits, so who is who to say one person is wrong or the other is wrong.
Jeff has acknowledged receiving payment for the kit. Jeff has said the kit has shipped.
Saying it has shipped is not the same as providing some good faith communication and assurance to the customer. Providing the customer with a tracking number is simple business etiquette, if not an established basic business practice and general common sense, particularly after submitting a payment of several thousand dollars 2+ years ago.

The customer started this thread as a result of not having any communication or assurance from the seller and it is clearly his right to say this is wrong. It would be disingenuous for anyone else to assert that the lack of communication from the seller to the customer is not wrong.
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
Saying it has shipped is not the same as providing some good faith communication and assurance to the customer. Providing the customer with a tracking number is simple business etiquette, if not an established basic business practice and general common sense, particularly after submitting a payment of several thousand dollars 2+ years ago.

The customer started this thread as a result of not having any communication or assurance from the seller and it is clearly his right to say this is wrong. It would be disingenuous for anyone else to assert that the lack of communication from the seller to the customer is not wrong.

no argument with/from me on any of that, I am in complete agreement with your post. I was simply answering paimon's post that there was no proof of either.
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So as An Administrator could you ask Jeff to prove US the tracking number please? It is the only thing i ask since the beginning. I didn't have reacted as i reacted if only Jeff had given me this number after several mails.

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Originally Posted by ERX8
So as An Administrator could ask Jeff to prove US the tracking number please? It is the only thing i ask since the beginning. I didn't have reacted as i reacted if only Jeff had given me this number after several mails.
An administrator here and Jeff have absolutely no business connections so that might not get the response you desire
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So perhaps do i have to ask publicly to his BHR associates if they can try to convince him to give us this number for everybody's mutual understanding and appeasement.
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As far as I remember, BHR is in no way involved with the sales of MM's turbo kits either
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ERX8..your "tracking number" request has not gone unnoticed.
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Originally Posted by paimon.soror
As far as I remember, BHR is in no way involved with the sales of MM's turbo kits either
I know that!

But they work together and have the same stakes.
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he may need the number just in case his shipment get stop at a port waiting for pick up, he needs to know what company name u used to ship if MM really did? to call them and pick up the package. This happen with international shipping but i know MM dont care even after making them wait for 3 years...
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Originally Posted by zoom44
Jeff- I removed the video because as you know we have a policy about peoples phone numbers and addresses being posted on the site. since you included his phone number as text in the beginning of the vid I had to remove the whole thing.
Crap. That is totally my fault.
I was wondering why people were so pissed off about that one. I didn't realize that the audio file's file name became the video component in the renderer.

I re-edited it so that won't happen, but I am absolutely going to post this here again because it is an important part of the narrative.



Originally Posted by TeamRX8
Saying it has shipped is not the same as providing some good faith communication and assurance to the customer.
I'm usually pretty obtuse about answering this sort of nonsense speculation because it is useful to allow the "complainant" to continue to spin his wheels on the grease provided by Team's sort of shark-jumping.
But I will, once again, remind you that you are totally making up what you believe the story to be based on your own imagination and the "facts" presented here.
You have no idea what I have and have not sent and to whom.
All you know is what the psychopath behind that phone message has told you here.
Old 09-27-2011, 04:35 AM
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so now ur are using this as a way out of not sending the kits or redeming yourself for the long wait , worthless ....

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Originally Posted by rx 8speciale
so now ur are using this as a way out of not sending the kits or redeming yourself for the long wait , wothless ....
He can use this way against me but not against Luxluc.
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Just post the tracking number here so this can end. Why drag it out?
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Crap. That is totally my fault.
I was wondering why people were so pissed off about that one. I didn't realize that the audio file's file name became the video component in the renderer.

I re-edited it so that won't happen, but I am absolutely going to post this here again because it is an important part of the narrative.




I'm usually pretty obtuse about answering this sort of nonsense speculation because it is useful to allow the "complainant" to continue to spin his wheels on the grease provided by Team's sort of shark-jumping.
But I will, once again, remind you that you are totally making up what you believe the story to be based on your own imagination and the "facts" presented here.
You have no idea what I have and have not sent and to whom.
All you know is what the psychopath behind that phone message has told you here.
Ah Ah Ah!!!

It's funny how this guy has always tried to reverse the situation with all his customers. He pushes them out of their limits and then accuses them (or one of them) to be "psychopath", and on top of that he keeps them in the most sadistic doubt.

I can say that this boy is sinister, provocative and sarcastic, and a great manipulator

just because the "psychopath" has proven what he says, not you
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I'm not making anything up. I am just dealing with what each of you are providing.

Everybody can clearly see that, for whatever reason, you are withholding information. Whether you either don't have the tracking info or are refusing to give it is irrelevant. You fail either way.

People are pissed off because the obviousness of your BS game has has finally reached critical mass. The audio clip justifies nothing. It is just another one of your excuses to dodge and weave.


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While the video is distressing, it doesn't relieve you of the responsibility of providing the tracking number.
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
I'm not making anything up. I am just dealing with what each of you are providing.

Everybody can clearly see that, for whatever reason, you are withholding information. Whether you either don't have the tracking info or are refusing to give it is irrelevant.

You fail either way. People are pissed off because the obviousness of your BS game has has finally reached critical mass,
The way this entire situation has been handled (or lack there of) surely leaves a bad taste in the mouth of those who have not had the pleasure of doing business with MM.
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Plenty of people had no problem with Mazsport Scott either. I'm sure nobody had all of the facts or knew his full side of the story. In the end, if you are the person getting the run around that doesn't matter, nor should it.
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The only point I'm trying to make here is that those of you that are demanding "proof" aren't demanding it for Erx, you are demanding it for yourselves.
You don't have any right or grounds for that demand because you are not the "injured" nor do you possess information that enables you to evaluate the voracity of either side.

You just have how you "feel" and that is purely based on you belief in the apparent disposition of the only two parties actually involved in the thread.


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