A cautionary tale: MazdaManiac
12-06-2010, 08:15 AM
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the stickying thing is alnielsen's idea and he hasnt bothered/got around to MM yet. the 2nd is the question of if these should exist separately from the BHR threads. Jeff is a part of BHR so should these be included as part of BHR stickies or kept apart from them?
12-06-2010, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8 View Post
kind of confusing, MM advertises and sells here like a vendor, yet none of these threads; good or bad, get stickied like the other vendors
things that make you go hmmmmm .....
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kind of confusing, MM advertises and sells here like a vendor, yet none of these threads; good or bad, get stickied like the other vendors
things that make you go hmmmmm .....
2 reasons
the stickying thing is alnielsen's idea and he hasnt bothered/got around to MM yet. the 2nd is the question of if these should exist separately from the BHR threads. Jeff is a part of BHR so should these be included as part of BHR stickies or kept apart from them?
12-11-2010, 08:01 PM
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As we approach the 2 year anniversary of my being scammed, I thought I might just state how I feel about the whole situation. Basically, Jeff has walked into my house and ran away with 2 thousand dollars of my money. In my mind, he ranks up there with the likes of Kenneth Lay and Dick Schrushy. I was hoping that I could find the original, unsolicited email that Jeff sent to me in 2006 or 2007 where he proposed his upgrade kit to me. Unfortunately, all I can do is the actual transcript of the crime:
Excellent! Thanks for the holiday wishes!
I’ll look for the check.
I’ve already ordered the parts, so I’ll get started on the kit as soon as everything shows up here.
Hopefully, I’ll do a better job of communicating progress in the new year!
Jeff
From: Jeff Abrams <jeff@mazdamaniac.com>
To: carbonrx8@yahoo.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 2:15:11 PM
Subject: Turbo Upgrade
Attached is an invoice for the turbo upgrade kit.
For a direct Bank Transfer, you can use the information provided below.
Or, if you prefer, you can send a check to the address on the top of the invoice made out to Jeff Abrams.
Or, alternately, you can use GoogleCheckout (and a credit card), but there will be a 2% surcharge for that.
If you have any questions, please feel free to ask.
Thanks!
- Jeff Abrams
- jeff@mazdamaniac.com
The way I figure it, this is just the same as if it was a video of someone breaking into my house and holding a gun to my head and asking for all my money.
I think that two years is enough time to hold back any rage and front pleasantries. I have no expectation for delivery. You (Jeff) ******* stole from me. Why anybody works with you is beyond me. Any hack with half a brain and no desire to apply it to something actually worthwhile, could do what you do. It is really not all that complicated. The fact that your sheeple continue to ply you with money is just an indication of the state of humanity; a state in which I dont profess to have much faith.
Sure, I admit that when I ordered the kit I was aware of your inadequacies. And sure, when I bought the kit, I was fully aware that I committed that money towards somthing that I was fully willing to lose. It does't remove the sting. You are a crook. As dipped in the excrement of infidelity as the worst in RX8club history. I hope that the fact that it took 6 glasses of single malt to exctract this from my fingers only speaks to my resistance to blame and not to any positive Quality that you might have.
Damn you,Jeff Abrams. Damn you to the ninth ring of Hell.
Excellent! Thanks for the holiday wishes!
I’ll look for the check.
I’ve already ordered the parts, so I’ll get started on the kit as soon as everything shows up here.
Hopefully, I’ll do a better job of communicating progress in the new year!
Jeff
From: Jeff Abrams <jeff@mazdamaniac.com>
To: carbonrx8@yahoo.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 2:15:11 PM
Subject: Turbo Upgrade
Attached is an invoice for the turbo upgrade kit.
For a direct Bank Transfer, you can use the information provided below.
Or, if you prefer, you can send a check to the address on the top of the invoice made out to Jeff Abrams.
Or, alternately, you can use GoogleCheckout (and a credit card), but there will be a 2% surcharge for that.
If you have any questions, please feel free to ask.
Thanks!
- Jeff Abrams
- jeff@mazdamaniac.com
The way I figure it, this is just the same as if it was a video of someone breaking into my house and holding a gun to my head and asking for all my money.
I think that two years is enough time to hold back any rage and front pleasantries. I have no expectation for delivery. You (Jeff) ******* stole from me. Why anybody works with you is beyond me. Any hack with half a brain and no desire to apply it to something actually worthwhile, could do what you do. It is really not all that complicated. The fact that your sheeple continue to ply you with money is just an indication of the state of humanity; a state in which I dont profess to have much faith.
Sure, I admit that when I ordered the kit I was aware of your inadequacies. And sure, when I bought the kit, I was fully aware that I committed that money towards somthing that I was fully willing to lose. It does't remove the sting. You are a crook. As dipped in the excrement of infidelity as the worst in RX8club history. I hope that the fact that it took 6 glasses of single malt to exctract this from my fingers only speaks to my resistance to blame and not to any positive Quality that you might have.
Damn you,Jeff Abrams. Damn you to the ninth ring of Hell.
12-12-2010, 01:42 AM
#85
I am quite sorry you feel this way.
I am also sorry you feel this way, but in light of the previous statement this is also understandable.
Neither is any other endeavor, I suppose. Why do you think that no one has bothered, then?
This is where you diverge into a bit of fantasy.
I never "solicited" anything from you. The upgrade was being offered and you were just one of the middle purchasers. Actually, you were the 11th person to order the kit (though the 10th backed out - lucky him, I guess). There were 15 kits ordered in total and 4 remain to be delivered.
I'm not sure where you believe the 4 kits you see in the picture above are going, but I would expect that you might understand that one is going to you.
If not, then the sentiments above are understandable.
At some point, after the last of these things get delivered, I'll lay out in a thread somewhere the "cautionary tale" about embarking on an endeavor like this one and perhaps that will answer for you how this all transpired and for others an example of how one can successfully **** themselves. I certainly did.
But the level of malice you attribute to this is misplaced.
I am also sorry you feel this way, but in light of the previous statement this is also understandable.
I never "solicited" anything from you. The upgrade was being offered and you were just one of the middle purchasers. Actually, you were the 11th person to order the kit (though the 10th backed out - lucky him, I guess). There were 15 kits ordered in total and 4 remain to be delivered.
I'm not sure where you believe the 4 kits you see in the picture above are going, but I would expect that you might understand that one is going to you.
If not, then the sentiments above are understandable.
At some point, after the last of these things get delivered, I'll lay out in a thread somewhere the "cautionary tale" about embarking on an endeavor like this one and perhaps that will answer for you how this all transpired and for others an example of how one can successfully **** themselves. I certainly did.
But the level of malice you attribute to this is misplaced.
12-12-2010, 02:19 AM
#86
funny to me, I felt the same to be honest. Hell I dont even have a rx8 so if you wanted to sell the parts to my kit to refund and recoup possible loses I'd be cool with that. Other wise its just the feeling of being left hung out to dry. That and the constant nagging from the gf saying you paid how much to some one and didnt get anything blah blah(mostly anoying part). Untill I got the 7 without telling her ...oups. You have to remember its been nearly 2 years and still no product just a promise to have something done.
12-12-2010, 02:53 AM
#87
malice and integrity are two very different things..
i have sent you stuff when you needed it. and the other way. money was not involved..
money changes the rules.. changes help to kill or make a business.
your are a bigger than all help person.. hard to make a living at that..
hope that make sense..
beers
i have sent you stuff when you needed it. and the other way. money was not involved..
money changes the rules.. changes help to kill or make a business.
your are a bigger than all help person.. hard to make a living at that..
hope that make sense..
beers
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12-12-2010, 07:45 AM
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Hell yea **** mm and his worst costumer service on this forum , and his smart *** commments , and his ******* late calibration and no emails responses . Lol
12-12-2010, 12:45 PM
#91
Well if you want to look at it strictly from a non-personal business perspective then whether or not any malice was intended is irrelevant. Any way you cut it this will end up personal though, even down to the double standard people are employing for this particular vendor relative to others, because there's nothing more personal than trusting someone enough to give them your money in advance. Delivery at this point, whether tomorrow or another year from now, is a token gesture.
thats just my perspective after losing several grand in a similar situation, except I funded and lost it out of my own pocket, not anyone elses. People expected a level of responsibility that was not kept. It's that simple. It doesn't matter if you're talking about Bernie Madoff or Scott/Mazsport or whomever. They all likely got in over their head without intended malice. The same people here who would just as well throw the switch on Brice/Race Roots sitting in the electric chair will gladly crawl up MMs bunghole and eat the peanuts out of his sheeott. Go figure
I guess if Brice repaints that MS bumper 3 years from now all will be forgiven, somehow I don't think so
thats just my perspective after losing several grand in a similar situation, except I funded and lost it out of my own pocket, not anyone elses. People expected a level of responsibility that was not kept. It's that simple. It doesn't matter if you're talking about Bernie Madoff or Scott/Mazsport or whomever. They all likely got in over their head without intended malice. The same people here who would just as well throw the switch on Brice/Race Roots sitting in the electric chair will gladly crawl up MMs bunghole and eat the peanuts out of his sheeott. Go figure
I guess if Brice repaints that MS bumper 3 years from now all will be forgiven, somehow I don't think so
12-12-2010, 01:48 PM
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It's about time carbonRX8 has finally expressed what he's been feeling all along!
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Pretty sure where I sit in Team's summation of things ... and I do have a distaste for Brice.
The biggest differences are that Brice doesn't have a crew like BHR in the shadows to help out and the scale on which the MM turbo fiasco occurred is considerably less than that of the Mazsport demise.
We knew when Jeff ran into problems because Jeff told us all about it... not because customers ran to the website talking about missing cars, lost parts, etc, etc, etc.
For all the ranting here, you have to consider the source of where we learned about the problem. At least there's some honor in that.
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Pretty sure where I sit in Team's summation of things ... and I do have a distaste for Brice.
The biggest differences are that Brice doesn't have a crew like BHR in the shadows to help out and the scale on which the MM turbo fiasco occurred is considerably less than that of the Mazsport demise.
We knew when Jeff ran into problems because Jeff told us all about it... not because customers ran to the website talking about missing cars, lost parts, etc, etc, etc.
For all the ranting here, you have to consider the source of where we learned about the problem. At least there's some honor in that.
12-12-2010, 02:07 PM
#93
It's about time carbonRX8 has finally expressed what he's been feeling all along!
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Pretty sure where I sit in Team's summation of things ... and I do have a distaste for Brice.
The biggest differences are that Brice doesn't have a crew like BHR in the shadows to help out and the scale on which the MM turbo fiasco occurred is considerably less than that of the Mazsport demise.
We knew when Jeff ran into problems because Jeff told us all about it... not because customers ran to the website talking about missing cars, lost parts, etc, etc, etc.
For all the ranting here, you have to consider the source of where we learned about the problem. At least there's some honor in that.
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Pretty sure where I sit in Team's summation of things ... and I do have a distaste for Brice.
The biggest differences are that Brice doesn't have a crew like BHR in the shadows to help out and the scale on which the MM turbo fiasco occurred is considerably less than that of the Mazsport demise.
We knew when Jeff ran into problems because Jeff told us all about it... not because customers ran to the website talking about missing cars, lost parts, etc, etc, etc.
For all the ranting here, you have to consider the source of where we learned about the problem. At least there's some honor in that.
HUH? Interesting viewpoint ;
12-12-2010, 03:13 PM
#97
The big difference between MM and other vendors is the way most of us have benefited from his knowledge and ability .
Because of this we (and i do include myself here , despite the fact that I'm one of the few people that regularly disagrees with him) want to see him resolve this issue.
MM came on here a full 6 months ago and publically proclaimed that he had the parts and they just needed some work and would SOON be shipped .
At that time I think we collectively breathed a sigh of relief for all concerned .
Here we are now and still no resolution . If it were me in his position I would be feeling like **** and make it my absolute no. 1 priority to sort this out .
It is hard to understand why he has not done so ...
Because of this we (and i do include myself here , despite the fact that I'm one of the few people that regularly disagrees with him) want to see him resolve this issue.
MM came on here a full 6 months ago and publically proclaimed that he had the parts and they just needed some work and would SOON be shipped .
At that time I think we collectively breathed a sigh of relief for all concerned .
Here we are now and still no resolution . If it were me in his position I would be feeling like **** and make it my absolute no. 1 priority to sort this out .
It is hard to understand why he has not done so ...
12-12-2010, 03:26 PM
#98
Now, imagine paying 3 times for the same thing and still not getting it.
Now, imagine selling virtually all of your "disposable" possessions to pay for that item for the 4th time.
6 months ago, I managed to pay this 4th time. I breathed this same "sigh of relief", only to find the other "collaborative" entities involved in the project (not BHR) ran away with the rest of the money and parts.
So, at that point, with no supporting parts, tools or abilities to reproduce them and absolutely no cash reserves and barely any income, I started again at zero (at least I had the most expensive parts - the turbos themselves) in my possession.
Finishing this IS my #2 priority - right after feeding myself and keeping the lights on. I have $4000 a month in fixed expenditures and about $2000 a month in income right now. You do the math.
For any of you turkeys out there that insist on reaching into my pockets and thinking that the dyno-days and calibrations are some how a cash-cow, you can easily do the math and see how they barely pay for themselves.
Now, imagine selling virtually all of your "disposable" possessions to pay for that item for the 4th time.
6 months ago, I managed to pay this 4th time. I breathed this same "sigh of relief", only to find the other "collaborative" entities involved in the project (not BHR) ran away with the rest of the money and parts.
So, at that point, with no supporting parts, tools or abilities to reproduce them and absolutely no cash reserves and barely any income, I started again at zero (at least I had the most expensive parts - the turbos themselves) in my possession.
Finishing this IS my #2 priority - right after feeding myself and keeping the lights on. I have $4000 a month in fixed expenditures and about $2000 a month in income right now. You do the math.
For any of you turkeys out there that insist on reaching into my pockets and thinking that the dyno-days and calibrations are some how a cash-cow, you can easily do the math and see how they barely pay for themselves.
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12-12-2010, 03:46 PM
#99
Given what Carbon is currently trying to achieve the best outcome for him would be for you to just ship him the components (along with some instructions ) and for you to give up any hope of completing the kit for him .
The damage is done and it is beyold salvage . A least that way you can both move on , from this particular case anyway .
The damage is done and it is beyold salvage . A least that way you can both move on , from this particular case anyway .
12-12-2010, 04:13 PM
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At this point, any delivered parts would simply be sold to finance my current build.
Unrelated to this fiasco, I have come to the conclusion that my car has passed beyond the stage where I have enough time, tools or talent to successfully bring it to some conclusion. As an example, I put coilovers on my Baja last Saturday. It was great fun and simple work, but it pushed all the things that I had to get done Saturday to Sunday and Monday, which basically fubared my week. So, mostly, I just dont have the time. Work and my other hobbies, which includes the cutest little 16mo old, take up %110 of my time.
So, my plans to put in my new engine and this upgrade is not going to happen if it is going to be me turning wrenches (assuming I actually had the upgrade.) For that reason, I have shipped the car off to be put together by someone considerably more capable, in a configuration several notches up over what I originally had in mind.
I will let you know how that turns out.
PS. My apologies for the drinking and posting; however, I agree 100% with my drunk self in the timeliness and the statement within.
Unrelated to this fiasco, I have come to the conclusion that my car has passed beyond the stage where I have enough time, tools or talent to successfully bring it to some conclusion. As an example, I put coilovers on my Baja last Saturday. It was great fun and simple work, but it pushed all the things that I had to get done Saturday to Sunday and Monday, which basically fubared my week. So, mostly, I just dont have the time. Work and my other hobbies, which includes the cutest little 16mo old, take up %110 of my time.
So, my plans to put in my new engine and this upgrade is not going to happen if it is going to be me turning wrenches (assuming I actually had the upgrade.) For that reason, I have shipped the car off to be put together by someone considerably more capable, in a configuration several notches up over what I originally had in mind.
I will let you know how that turns out.
PS. My apologies for the drinking and posting; however, I agree 100% with my drunk self in the timeliness and the statement within.