Race Roots

iTrader: (64)

Just because no one posts does not mean they don't agree with him or disagree with him. There are tons of people that read and don't post.

I have my opinions about both of what the current thread is about and your argument.

I however will keep my comments to myself.

carbonRX8

iTrader: (1)

I gotta agree. Issues with Jeff (and other vendors) that surface on this board have a way of initially displaying only one side, even with a presentation that appears to provide full disclosure. While "customer service" is often suggested as lacking, I wonder why people put themselves in situations that their fragile personalities cant handle. There are plenty of other satisfied customers.

For instance, I gave my car away to get painted. It was supposed to be back a month ago an I am still waiting. Am I being too patient? Perhaps if I gave it to Maaco to get some crappy job done. But I am looking for a show-stopping job and I am NOT about to rush the results. Too many people want McDs speed and Ruth Chris' quality. Not going to happen.

olddragger

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succesful redirection people. If jeff is going to fix this --then let him.
Dont dilute this guys thread with personal disagreements that are not directly related to the situation.
Again -- hope for all that this situation will be fixed.
OD

jones75254

iTrader: (2)

Can be?? Most ARE lil punks who are sissified, crybaby dweebs who can barely afford to keep their 8's on the road. Then go and spend their entire paycheck on an AP, give the seller a bunch of BS hurdles to go through, and then gets butt hurt when **** doesnt pan out perfectly. Who the hell sends a check nowadays anyway?? **** that, its money order or debit/credit through secure internet transaction that clears in a day. Now, the time that has passed AFTER all the bullshit IS a bit disturbing, but DAMN, buyers need to make **** as simple as possible. Because sellers like this one arent gonna jump through hoops to help u out when u create difficult situations for them.......its MM, not BHR

maxxdamigz

iTrader: (1)

Are you really knocking a guy for paying by check? Paying by check is paying in full. If you give someone $1000 through paypal, you are not actually giving them $1000. They are probably getting $970.50 or some other less than $1000 amount. The same is generally true for credit cards which singular individuals generally cannot process anyway. The best method for most small shops is almost always cash. That way they don't pay fees and if they want to fudge their books, they can. I'm not implying that MM is playing the Enron game, only that sales in cash in NJ probably have a small chance of getting any taxes paid here in NJ. You don't send cash in the mail, so you send a check. I write very few checks but I may have paid for my BHR brake components by check (don't remember). If you can deal with the couple of days it takes to process, it's the best way to go for a vendor. Now, for a buyer, it doesn't cover the security of a paypal transaction but them's the breaks.

RawrX8

iTrader: (1)

How many times have you overdrawn your bank account?

Just because I write you a check for a million dollars doesnt mean you will get it. Hints why even most stores do not accept checks. Its just a promise note wrote out to someone that you have the money. Money doesnt attach to it like a Money Order.

jones75254

iTrader: (2)

Yes i am... and no it is not. Thats explained above. Checks are a gamble and im surprised MM (or any other vendor here) even accepts them.

Eish

How many people does a vendor need to screw for their score to reflect that they are unreliable?

I believe that MM has accumulated enough "credits" to justify warning all members that they should take extra legal precautions whenever they are dealing with him, just in case.

maxxdamigz

iTrader: (1)

All you have to do is deposit the check. If it clears, you have your money. I have never bounced a check, but that is irrelevant and most banks will gladly grant you overdraw so that they can rail the customer for charges rather than the receiver of the check. Stores have stopped taking checks because no one will wait in line for 2 days waiting for a check to clear. With shipped materials, you would always wait for it to clear if you want to guarantee payment. Other stores buy check scanners so that they can check your bank account on the spot for validity of the check.

Paying by check is slow and inconvenient, but in a shipped materials type arrangement, I would consider it superior as a vendor unless you do a massive amount of business where keeping track of payments and orders requires full automation.

Huey52

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A join date of July of this year (not to mention only 33 posts, so no real positive contribution to the community) and yet you feel you have the far reaching insight to make an accusation of this magnitude???

The immaturity around here sometimes astounds me.

KrumbZ

iTrader: (3)

more than a year!!!!!! damnnnnnn

rodjonathan

iTrader: (6)

mm doesnt screw anyone and yes im surprised he even accepts checks .... i mean if you have a bank account with money why wouldnt you use paypal? the 3% fee?

RWagz

Ask MM about his experiences with paypal. I believe someone payed him with paypal, then claimed nondelivery of product and PayPal pulled his money with basically no investigation.

On another forum I was a member to (Something Awful) we tried to use Paypal to collect donations for Katrina and they locked up our funds and would not release them for some time, for no good reason.

JinDesu

iTrader: (2)

Wtf is wrong with using a check.. the seller doesn't have to do anything until the check clears? Unlike paypal where you can dispute it after they've received the money and get it all back.

robrecht

It seems as if there was a lack of communication or miscommunication between the OP and MM about when the OP wanted to receive the AP and MM's tuning services. Even if the AP is found to have been delivered, the OP may still be expecting tuning services from MM once the turbo kit is installed. Vendors can be helpful in clarifying these issues, but this has to be primarily the responsibility of the buyer to communicate and confirm such expectations. Also, I wonder if the OP is fully aware of whatever SPAM filter processes are at work with his IP provider, e-mail server, and software?

RWagz

There has been no issue of MM's emails being blocked/not recieved. I use Gmail.

In response to adding the AP to my order, Jeff/MM asked me to what model year my car was and the mods I would have installed. My reponse:
Where exactly was I not communicative of my purpose for buying the AP?

shazy

YOUR EXHAUST BITCH!

Anyway good luck. Atleast MM is being nice about this lmao. :D

robrecht

I'm assuming you wanted the AP and Jeff's tuning services in conjuction with your turbo upgrade. With the extensive delays in his fulfillment of the turbo upgrade orders, it seems you were not expecting to receive the AP in the meantime and use Jeff's tuning services prior to receiving and installing the turbo. On the other hand, Jeff says he sent the AP to you over a year ago, apparently treating the AP as a separate order from the turbo upgrade. If that's the case, his free tuning services can no longer be used with your turbo.

My interpretation from what I've heard from both sides is that there was at the very least a miscommunication as to whether you wanted the AP and Jeff's tuning services prior to receiving the turbo upgrade.

I hope you guys get this worked out. Good luck!

RWagz

There was no miscommunication. I ordered it, he received payment on 7/19/08. I heard nothing from him until 8/29/08 when he told me to expect delivery mid-September.

Please stop trying to play detective. Let Jeff defend himself.

mysql101

How do you know when it clears? You bank will usually tell you that the funds will be made available in ~4 days. But that doesn't mean it's actually cleared. You can assume you have the cash after 10 days, but if there are issues or someone finds out the check has a stop payment or some other crap, they yank the money out of your bank account and can potentially also cause you to become overdrawn.

I trust checks as much as I trust paypal for payments - they're both worthless. That's why I pay via paypal with a credit card. So I have recourse if paypal screws with me. That only protects me as a buyer, not as a seller.

robrecht

I have not defended Jeff, except to say that I think he will do the right thing. You yourself said that as well. As for playing detective, if you don't want people trying to understand your story, don't post it on the Internet.

RWagz

I apologize that I'm being argumentative. After all I've been through, I find it very hard to approach this situation with a cool head.

I have decided to say goodbye to this thread until my subscription says that there has been a reply from MM.

neXib

Checks still exist? What year are you in over in the US now?

My 5 cents in this is that the % of customers with too big expectations probably give vendors half of their workload and ruins a lot of the communication and order for the rest of us. When I order from MM I know what to expect, I've read up, I know I may have to wait. Mostly vendors in general have too little time and too little money. BHR for me overdelivers on my expectations, MM goes as expected. I'm sure there's bad and good cases, but there's also bad and good customers.

Over a year is beyond my patience though, but I guess it happens. Often it happens because of the guys you pay depend on other people/companies that don't deliver either. Communication is really important though, and usually what makes me change shopping place if I do.

Luxluc

I have a similar point to raise.

I ordered a GReddy turbo upgrade kit with AEM cold air intake in december 2008 (and paid in 4th week of december too).
I was hoping to get the parts in spring 2009 in order to have my RX8 back on the road again.
I have to say that I am more than disappointed that I could get the Rex on the road in 2009 as the turbo hasn't shown up yet.
Plus my numerous mails to MM have remained unanswered so far.

Jeff, would you please be so kind to tell me when you will have the kit ready to ship. If you think it won't be before january 2010, then I would ask you to send me my money back.

Thanks

Luc from Luxemburg

Huey52

iTrader: (2)

Here in the states we use a Football analogy for this type of reply (real Football, not that silly soccer thing) called "Piling On." The OP has now, properly and maturely, decided to take up his matter privately with MM and imho you should do the same.

I do hope you both receive speedy resolution, as an RX-8 is a terrible thing to waste.