Bad Guy: Fluid Sports
05-15-2009, 09:49 PM
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why is it always a bhr vs fluid battle?
seriously. both of these groups are good for the community. I don't even see them as rival vendors.
I mean, look at the bhr site and look at fluid's site. BHR has only stuff made in house. It's all up to a certain level of quality -- it's all good stuff. they'll work with you to match stuff for your specific application and so on. They'll tune your car. They care deeply about the 8's performance. Fluid, though he cares deeply about the 8s performance as well, has an assortment of stuff for sale, a smorgisborg, if you will. And he'll probably sell you a nitrous kit, a turbo and a SC for your car if you really wanted it and were ready to pay. Who knows, maybe that combination will work out for you. He's in the sales business, not the machining, advising and tuning business. Advice and tuning costs extra at fluid.
(this is not to say that he'll sell any old junk. He won't. And it sucks, OP, that id didn't fit. And 'm glad you're happy with the rb one.)
But at the same time, I should mention again, you can buy tons of stuff for your 8 at fluid! All of it is usually well priced. He even tries to price match or beat if his price is higher than someone else's. As a general statement, whatever you want performance-wise for your 8, unless it's bhr stuff, fluid can get it to you cheaper than you would have thought. And he always seems to have stuff no one else has.
This brings up something else I think BHR takes issue with. Fluid puts the manufacturer's, often misleading, descriptions on the website next to the products. This is hardly malicious on Fluid's part. He's not trying to trick customers. He's just representing the products PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO BUY as the manufacturers wish them to be represented. This combined with high sales numbers tends to make existing manufacturers happy and new or other manufacturers more inclined to make parts available at lower cost to fluid. Free markets at work. You can't fault it. It's invisible.
Furthermore, Fluid counters any lingering idea that the descriptions next to the products on his website are meant to deceive by coming on here with his project car, telling us what products he's really excited about, and generally just participating in and contributing to the 8 community.
Anyone who believes the HP claims needs to learn how to use the SEARCH button.
end rant.
p.s. I'm probably wrong about everything I've said.
seriously. both of these groups are good for the community. I don't even see them as rival vendors.
I mean, look at the bhr site and look at fluid's site. BHR has only stuff made in house. It's all up to a certain level of quality -- it's all good stuff. they'll work with you to match stuff for your specific application and so on. They'll tune your car. They care deeply about the 8's performance. Fluid, though he cares deeply about the 8s performance as well, has an assortment of stuff for sale, a smorgisborg, if you will. And he'll probably sell you a nitrous kit, a turbo and a SC for your car if you really wanted it and were ready to pay. Who knows, maybe that combination will work out for you. He's in the sales business, not the machining, advising and tuning business. Advice and tuning costs extra at fluid.
(this is not to say that he'll sell any old junk. He won't. And it sucks, OP, that id didn't fit. And 'm glad you're happy with the rb one.)
But at the same time, I should mention again, you can buy tons of stuff for your 8 at fluid! All of it is usually well priced. He even tries to price match or beat if his price is higher than someone else's. As a general statement, whatever you want performance-wise for your 8, unless it's bhr stuff, fluid can get it to you cheaper than you would have thought. And he always seems to have stuff no one else has.
This brings up something else I think BHR takes issue with. Fluid puts the manufacturer's, often misleading, descriptions on the website next to the products. This is hardly malicious on Fluid's part. He's not trying to trick customers. He's just representing the products PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO BUY as the manufacturers wish them to be represented. This combined with high sales numbers tends to make existing manufacturers happy and new or other manufacturers more inclined to make parts available at lower cost to fluid. Free markets at work. You can't fault it. It's invisible.
Furthermore, Fluid counters any lingering idea that the descriptions next to the products on his website are meant to deceive by coming on here with his project car, telling us what products he's really excited about, and generally just participating in and contributing to the 8 community.
Anyone who believes the HP claims needs to learn how to use the SEARCH button.
end rant.
p.s. I'm probably wrong about everything I've said.
Last edited by myriadshalaks; 05-15-2009 at 10:26 PM.
05-16-2009, 03:19 PM
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05-16-2009, 07:54 PM
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Please see this thread on how the spoiler from Brice fits. Thanks.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...92#post3024392
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...92#post3024392
05-16-2009, 08:30 PM
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Please see this thread on how the spoiler from Brice fits. Thanks.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...92#post3024392
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...92#post3024392
05-16-2009, 08:44 PM
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Please see this thread on how the spoiler from Brice fits. Thanks.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...92#post3024392
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...92#post3024392
05-16-2009, 08:50 PM
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You should look into that body shop a little more I mean from what they told you and what 05rex8 has done it don't match up. Seems like it fits pretty well and I don't see any modification done to the trunk to have it fit properly. Maybe instead of talking ill of Fluid you should go talk to that body shop and ask them exactly what they did to try to mount that spoiler.
05-16-2009, 08:51 PM
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honestly i think you are taking your body shops word way to close for gospel......i have had my fair share of good and bad experiences with body shops and for the better part of my rx8 history i hung out at a shop on a regular basis.....i would seek several opinions before doing a job and i would always ask to see thier work on custom parts before comitting....but thats just me
05-16-2009, 08:55 PM
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I think he did mention that he had multiple body shops he went to and the cheapest quote he found is what he posted up here. Looks like your surrounded by a bunch of chop shops trying to figure out how deep your pockets are.
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05-16-2009, 09:06 PM
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No, that is not true, re-read my post and read below...
Yes, I sought the opinions of 6 shops and not a single one said they would tap or drill into the fiberglass, not a single one! They all said that fiberglass cannot withstand that and will crack because of it (maybe not immediately). So with the same advice form 6 body shops, what would you do?
So I was told that the only option was adhesive and the wing was not nearly a good enough fitment for that without a lot of modification. I will show you what I mean tomorrow with some photos. I am meeting a bunch of other 8 owners, some of which are wingless (i can't show on my trunk because it has the perfectly fitting RB wing on it now). I will show the huge gaps that would have to be overcome to stick it to the rear trunk.
My question is this. If it's supposed to be affixed with screws to the trunk, why not put nuts into the wing like other wings? No installation instructions BTW. All Brice said was glue it...
Yes, I sought the opinions of 6 shops and not a single one said they would tap or drill into the fiberglass, not a single one! They all said that fiberglass cannot withstand that and will crack because of it (maybe not immediately). So with the same advice form 6 body shops, what would you do?
So I was told that the only option was adhesive and the wing was not nearly a good enough fitment for that without a lot of modification. I will show you what I mean tomorrow with some photos. I am meeting a bunch of other 8 owners, some of which are wingless (i can't show on my trunk because it has the perfectly fitting RB wing on it now). I will show the huge gaps that would have to be overcome to stick it to the rear trunk.
My question is this. If it's supposed to be affixed with screws to the trunk, why not put nuts into the wing like other wings? No installation instructions BTW. All Brice said was glue it...
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05-16-2009, 09:12 PM
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If you look how the stock spoiler is mounted on the decklid, that is how this one is supposed to be secured. Yes if you sit the spoiler on top without bolting it down, it will have gaps..but that's because it is not secure.
As for the body shops saying the fiberglass will crack, they may have just not wanted to take on the job. Not many body shops like to deal with aftermarket stuff...too many things can go wrong and customers aren't happy.
As for the body shops saying the fiberglass will crack, they may have just not wanted to take on the job. Not many body shops like to deal with aftermarket stuff...too many things can go wrong and customers aren't happy.
05-16-2009, 09:23 PM
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I can't believe what I'm hearing.. he said he went to 6 shops and they all came to the same conclusion. You can't discount that.. It's like getting 6 separate opinions for a medical dx or work to be done on your house.. You go to professionals and all 6 come back with the same result. Just because it worked for you doesn't discount his experience with it now the experience of the 6 shops he visited.
05-16-2009, 09:29 PM
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This whole situation could have been avoided if...
* wing came with installation tips
* Wasn't told by Bruce to affix it with glue - served to only reinforce what body shops were telling me
* If wings were test fitted by Brice after he received them form the manufacture, so this issue could have been flagged a long time ago and solutions found - vs after the fact. He had the wings for 4 months!!!!
* Wing came with a *clear* way of having it bolted to the trunk without modifying (which just about everyone on this thread said not to do -- "send it back before modifying" has been the advice)
* If I ignored the body shops and the wing cracked, I would be screwed. Brice would say, you shouldn't have done that. The body shop would have said the same.
* wing came with installation tips
* Wasn't told by Bruce to affix it with glue - served to only reinforce what body shops were telling me
* If wings were test fitted by Brice after he received them form the manufacture, so this issue could have been flagged a long time ago and solutions found - vs after the fact. He had the wings for 4 months!!!!
* Wing came with a *clear* way of having it bolted to the trunk without modifying (which just about everyone on this thread said not to do -- "send it back before modifying" has been the advice)
* If I ignored the body shops and the wing cracked, I would be screwed. Brice would say, you shouldn't have done that. The body shop would have said the same.
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05-16-2009, 09:44 PM
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^ I wish I knew it was a replica kit. To my knowledge, there was no mention anywhere on Fluid's site that this was a replica. It was promoted as INGS +1 Wing. So as far as I knew, it was authentic. Maybe I'm gullible but that's no excuse for not having clear and accurate disclosure through your promotional materials. Should be added to my the list above...
05-16-2009, 10:26 PM
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well, you do have a point. if it wasn't advertised as a replica, and he told you to just affix it with glue, that's not so good. You should have test fitted it before you tried anything though. You can't really expect a company to test every product they sell. You can only hope they'll try to make things right when things go wrong. it still sounds like fluid tried to do that with the brakes.
btw, though i'm not certain, i think i remember seeing the wing you bought advertised as a replica. the price would have given it away too.
and some glues would work to secure some wings.
btw, though i'm not certain, i think i remember seeing the wing you bought advertised as a replica. the price would have given it away too.
and some glues would work to secure some wings.
05-16-2009, 10:33 PM
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I can't believe what I'm hearing.. he said he went to 6 shops and they all came to the same conclusion. You can't discount that.. It's like getting 6 separate opinions for a medical dx or work to be done on your house.. You go to professionals and all 6 come back with the same result. Just because it worked for you doesn't discount his experience with it now the experience of the 6 shops he visited.
If rx8thunder was patient like Brice asked, he could have done this himself and not gone to the body shop to begin with. I had just received the shipment of spoilers not too long ago. But hey, nothing can be done now. I am just trying to help. Maybe I won't next time; it seems certain ones just love to be critical no matter what the situation.
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05-16-2009, 11:31 PM
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there has been NO prep work done to this. It took me 5 minutes to get this result. How many different ways do I have to post this?
I don't mean to get all defensive here and I am sorry if I come off as a jerk. That is not my intent. This whole thing is really just frustrating...to everyone involved. Again, I was just test fitting per Brice's request...and honestly I don't see how my results are that terrible. I mean I do body work and painting for a living. Trust me, I've seen some terrible stuff, and this is not terrible.
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