V6 Genesis coupe - VW GTI - 2011 V6 Mustang Help me decide :)
10-20-2010, 01:20 PM
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VW is a reliability nightmare. They have terrible dealerships and warranty coverage.
Mustang is a me-too car with a terrible back seat. May as well keep the 8.
Genesis unique appeal will wane in a year or so as they become a dime a dozen on the streets. It's from Hyundai Kia Automotive Group. Nuff said.
I'd avoid all three of them.
Mustang is a me-too car with a terrible back seat. May as well keep the 8.
Genesis unique appeal will wane in a year or so as they become a dime a dozen on the streets. It's from Hyundai Kia Automotive Group. Nuff said.
I'd avoid all three of them.
GTI
10-20-2010, 07:51 PM
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So do the math...
15,000 miles per year, 17 mpg for the RX8 mostly highway (conservative), you burn 882 gallons of gas per year, so your total cost in gas is around $2650
Get a car with 25 mpg average, and I think that's HIGHLY unlikely for any sports car...
Same 15,000 miles per year, you burn 600 gallons of gas, so cost is $1800 per year.
Difference? $850... divide that out over 12 months? $70 a month.
$70... a month. Still worth it?
If you go buy a new a vehicle, it's going to depreciate, you'll be paying the interest on the loan, insurance will go up, etc. Still want to buy it? That's cool, but at least do the numbers.
Choose a more reasonable number like 21 mpg, and the number goes down to $42 difference a month from 17 mpg... $10 a week.
Point is to do the math. I have no pity for the idiots who buy new cars based on mpg because they can't do the simple grade school arithmetic.
15,000 miles per year, 17 mpg for the RX8 mostly highway (conservative), you burn 882 gallons of gas per year, so your total cost in gas is around $2650
Get a car with 25 mpg average, and I think that's HIGHLY unlikely for any sports car...
Same 15,000 miles per year, you burn 600 gallons of gas, so cost is $1800 per year.
Difference? $850... divide that out over 12 months? $70 a month.
$70... a month. Still worth it?
If you go buy a new a vehicle, it's going to depreciate, you'll be paying the interest on the loan, insurance will go up, etc. Still want to buy it? That's cool, but at least do the numbers.
Choose a more reasonable number like 21 mpg, and the number goes down to $42 difference a month from 17 mpg... $10 a week.
Point is to do the math. I have no pity for the idiots who buy new cars based on mpg because they can't do the simple grade school arithmetic.
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and call it a day
10-31-2010, 06:26 PM
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Even with reflash gti will have a leg in city driving (stage 1 flash will get you to about 235whp, 270tq)... but you really need to drive cars that you intend on buying because 2.0 gen or stang with soft suspension and different gearing will feel completely different.
Keep in mind that stang with performance gearing and much wider tires will have not as good fuel economy as what they advertise for regular stang .. .probably will be closer to Gen MPG.
Even though Stang showed slightly better handling #s compared to gen (due to its super wide expansive tires) - Gen handles better
Keep in mind that stang with performance gearing and much wider tires will have not as good fuel economy as what they advertise for regular stang .. .probably will be closer to Gen MPG.
Even though Stang showed slightly better handling #s compared to gen (due to its super wide expansive tires) - Gen handles better
11-03-2010, 08:18 PM
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Like someone already mentioned, if mpg is the main reason you change cars you're just doing something idiotic. The cost of changing the car is much more expensive than years of expensive gas usage. Besides, the factory mpg numbers are basically lies anyway.
(I'd get the Hoondi if I had to choose one though. Don't want a US car that can't do a turn, and I don't know a single VAG owner that isn't yearly fixing something on their car. Hyundai's suck on the inside though, that's a big positive for VW's)
((It's weird that GTI is the model name in the US. As GTI is something more of an attribute over here))
(I'd get the Hoondi if I had to choose one though. Don't want a US car that can't do a turn, and I don't know a single VAG owner that isn't yearly fixing something on their car. Hyundai's suck on the inside though, that's a big positive for VW's)
((It's weird that GTI is the model name in the US. As GTI is something more of an attribute over here))
WV are one of the most unreliable cars...always been below average, most of the time all the way on the bottom...European cars suck in reliability ...only bmw is ok (a bit better then chrysler)
Insted of GTI should look in to Mazda 3 speed or cobalt ss turbo (same class cars) but much better performance and handling...even cobalt looks better then cartoonist looking GTI - rear
I dont see how GTI interior is any better then Gen coupe... design-wise it is not...and materials are not any better - GTI dash design is similar to the cobalt ss
http://www.hyundaigenesiscoupepic.co...rior-view1.jpg
http://www.germancarmagazine.com/wp-...0-interior.jpg
- GTI dash design is similar to the cobalt ss
http://assets.speedtv.com/images/eas...interior_m.jpg
11-03-2010, 08:40 PM
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when i was looking at my 8 i drove a genesis, i was impressed because it was faster than my ze at the time. but i felt the same in the genesis as the s2k, crowded!!!!. for some reason i dont feel like that in the 8.
we bought my wifes tl-s for 26k and it FULLY!!! loaded on top of that we have a 8yr and 100k warranty from acura; let me tell you something, the service we get a acura is ******* royalty!!! they pamper you in every way and actually listen and try to solve your probs instead of blaming it on you.
me i'm honda biased as well so i will recommend a tl-s (Manual) i guarantee once you test drive it you will love it
plus if your looking for mpg my wife does 23-25 mpg on it
plus it's a honda so reliability is guaranteed
we bought my wifes tl-s for 26k and it FULLY!!! loaded on top of that we have a 8yr and 100k warranty from acura; let me tell you something, the service we get a acura is ******* royalty!!! they pamper you in every way and actually listen and try to solve your probs instead of blaming it on you.
me i'm honda biased as well so i will recommend a tl-s (Manual) i guarantee once you test drive it you will love it
plus if your looking for mpg my wife does 23-25 mpg on it
plus it's a honda so reliability is guaranteed
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11-03-2010, 10:44 PM
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Get the genesis. The 3.8 track has a ton of power for stock and will blow any of those 3 out of the water. The 2.0T would be my choice though simply because of mod support.
I have yet to see a VW that doesn't have a CEL on.
I have yet to see a VW that doesn't have a CEL on.
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