Tweek

theyre coming out with the Genesis R-Spec i think? V6 but at the 2.0 price.

MazdaManiac

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I'd wait on the Genesis until it gets the more powerful motor from the Sonata.

The Mustang and the VW are garbage.

Bikes are thrilling - until you realize how boring and uncomfortable they are until you do something illegal.

Anyone that says "Yeah, but it's a Hyundai" should substitute "Mazda" into that sentence and see how the rest of the motoring world reacts.
As far as anyone that would judge you for driving a Hyundai goes, they judge you just as much for driving a Mazda. They both carry about the same stigma in the eyes of the "regular" folk.

The Genesis is a bit sketchy on the interior styling, however.

If the car matures over the next few years, I'll probably get one myself.

paulmasoner

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there are a very few euro sport touring/urban sport bikes that are head and shoulders above everything else in this way... but they are still motorcycles. regardless i'm still getting a Tiger

thats the way im going as well, cept my bike will be primary transportation, not a traditional japanese sports bike. 4 wheels is for weather/cargo only.

dezau

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Really?
imo the Genesis is no way more refine than the GTI or even Mustang is

To me, it looks like they were just playing with their money and throw what they have in their mind and put together a sports car and call it a day

fuztupnz

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Not to bash, but this statement really stands out. Sounds like you need to go out and drive more cars. RWD has many advantages, especially in the "feel" department. There is no torque steer in a RWD car. Only happens when the drive wheels are the turning wheels as well.

For what it's worth, I'd go with the Genesis out of the 3. At least it feels sporty.

amo

Go check out Lee Hyundai down in Fayetteville. I was just considering a Genesis they have some that are 8k cheaper than anywhere else, I have looked. I am not sure about the dealer themselves, though. Take a look there you wont find a new Mustang or GTI anywhere close to the price of the Genesis Coupe.

Go drive the 3 back to back, you will see the Genesis is the best choice of the 3. Plus, why spend upper 20's on a FWD car that is so small. I also like the looks of the previous generation GTI over the new one.

As much as I like the Mustang I would only get the V8 version. The V6 is fun but just isn't a Mustang until you have the power and sound of the V8 leaving the muscular sound behind you for the other people to enjoy.

NotAPreppie

I only recommend VW products to people who like the idea of buying their mechanic a new boat and paying for their kid's college tuition.

chunbelievable

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I just got called out by MazdaManiac. Uh oh... It's all down hill from here.

I don't think Mazda has quite the same low budget stigma as Hyundai but that is all conjecture. I don't judge anyone who drives one, I just don't notice them. And you'll never see my buy one, even the Genesis. They're just so uneventful with no character.

But hey that's not having an opinion, that's judging </sarcasm>

MazdaManiac

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Both the 'Stang and the VW were designed entirely by a committee. A committee of autistic accountants.
At least the Hyundai is trying to approximate a sports car.

Really, you don't get anything that fits the bill until you sped $65k or more.

bhop

Personally, I'm not a fan of any mustang but that does not matter.... If its just between these three cars, then go with a genesis. I would wait a little longer so they can add a little power. I nearly picked one up when they first came out. IMO, for the money they are very nice cars, but thats just me.

chiketkd

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Out of the three choices, the Genesis V6 track model would be my pick.

Interior is cheap looking, but for the money you get rwd, sexy looks, a proper torsen diff, brembo brakes, etc.

Sixsix

I joined a genesis coupe forum as I was in the market for one before I bought the 8. The biggest complaint about the GC seems to be the poor mpg(2.0t) and the horrible manual transmission. I drove a 2.0T track and I wasn't really that impressed with it. It is a much larger car than the 8, but the red seat inserts did nothing for me. The ride wasn't all that great and if you're going more than 5mph it's nearly impossible to get the sifter into first gear. They do have a pretty good aftermarket, but most of the parts I've seen are really expensive...altho a lot of them are for the 8 too.

tazzydnc

Sorry, I wasn't very clear. I meant "would I notice torque steer in a FWD car if I'm not drifting through corners?"

I didn't in the GTI at least, but I wasn't really pushing it, and I certainly didn't push the rentals I've driven that had FWD.

dezau

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yes if it's got enough power, it simply means the vehicle'd not keep its intended path under acceleration

alfy28

WRX Hatch.

But i would pick Hyundai from the list to choose from.

RufusVonStorm

+1

Stang is too heavy, VW too front wheel drivey, Genesis is your best bet of those 3

DarkBrew

Given the choice take the VW
Great handling, good mileage, practicality and good looks
Add to that an awesome online community that dwarfs the RX8 club

Atilla

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Meh - i'd pick up the Genesis out of the 3. Just saw a couple up close at the dealership - definitely an eye catcher...the price tag is nice too.

Red Rex

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I'm with Mysql. Just spent quite a bit of money making my RX8 faster and wondered how long it would be until the upgrades get boring. I don't have enough money for a turbo or a faster car, so I'll do the next best thing: buy a nice bike.

The Genesis seems nice, but I see very few on the roads these days which tells me a lot about the car. I would not buy a V6 Mustang. Drive the 5.0 and you'll understand, its a beast. Getting a fuel efficient car is one thing, but don't settle. I've heard great things about the GTI for years. Its also not a watered-down version of a great car like the V6 Mustang or the 2.0 Genesis. My vote would go to the Vdub.

Triangle Man

If someone held a gun to my head and told me to pick one UND ONLY VON of those three...

...hmm. I'm perhaps unfairly biased against the Genesis, since Hyundai is working so damn hard to make their cars unterribad, but the Genesis I drove last year was just unforgivable from a driving standpoint. It makes you realize just how good all the little things are in the RX8 - and the interior makes your average Sentra look like a freakin' Bentley.

I guess I'd go with the GTI, since it's more utilitarian and little FWD hot hatches are just goofy fun. But if you're looking at a hot hatch, why not just get a Mazdaspeed3? You sacrifice a little interior quality for a wilder (more torqusteerey) ride than the VW.

As for the Mustang, the new V6 is really quite good - almost as beefy as the old V8 - but it'd always bug me that I didn't pony up (har) for the GT.

I'd take a fourth option and grab a gently loved STI and blow the doors off any of those three. Or: Mazdaspeed6, 370Z, a 300ZX in nice condition...the list goes on.

tazzydnc

Thanks for the input everyone - these really are great forums. Forget the numbers, Mustangs aren't really my style if I'm honest. I'll be making a compromise somewhere no matter what. I may scrap all 3 and see if I can find a good deal what I really want: a 135i. A gently loved 2010 with minimal features might make the price cut.

77mjd

Whats a good forum for those cars? I'd like to see some info about mpg's for those that have the V-6. I'm just kind of wondering if you can push 30 with mostly highway driving. From what you say about peoples complaints about the 2.0 getting crap mileage, I'm kind of worried.

Mr.ThunderMakeR

Honestly I like that choice a lot better than your previous 3. Are you set on a 2010? Get a year or two older and you'll save yourself a lot of money. The 135i has gottten great reviews and compared to your other choices will be a lot closer to the RX8 as far as good handling. It will best sastify this which you said in your original post:

As for your first 3 choices, I'd pick the Genesis, mostly because its the one I dislike the most of those 3. It looks good on paper but it's just too bland in person. It's the most generic looking sports car in my opinion. It has no style, no soul. I've always had a strange feeling about it that I can't quite explain so here's my best shot: it looks like what a person who doesn't know sports cars would expect a sports car to look like. Of course the BMW looks kinda awkward to me too, but I'd take it over the Genesis any day. Plus it sounds like one of the main benefits of the Genesis (easily modded) isn't one that would appeal to you.

What about the earlier suggestion for a used STI? Or if you want brand new, the new WRX is supposed to be as good or even better then the brand new STI, at much lower cost. You could also look at a used EVO X. Those are probably my favorite choices around the 30k price mark, besides my R3 lol.

Btw, have you tried driving a Series 2 RX8, specifically the R3? You should at least test drive one before you make your next purchase. Test drive as many cars as possible.

Triangle Man

Very nice choice if you can swing it! Aren't they supposed to be the spiritual successors to those old BMW 2002s, what with the lightness and the handling and all that?

A 1 series powered by their turbo I6 would be euphoric to drive - just stay away from that horrendous looking hatchback version.

Spoolin8

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EVO!!!! or genesis