They said, it couldnt be built- FT-86
10-07-2009, 12:42 PM
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actucally i wasnt being spiteful. i just looked at all your post, and sound like fanboy talk.
well if that is the case, then explain to me why Celica floppped in sales here in the US, cant say because it was a FF car. when ppl where buying up Intgras and Civics like candy.
which is why subbie needs this more then toyota does in the US.
Subbies is not hurting in japan, because tehre is alot of time attacks freaks there.
well if that is the case, then explain to me why Celica floppped in sales here in the US, cant say because it was a FF car. when ppl where buying up Intgras and Civics like candy.
which is why subbie needs this more then toyota does in the US.
Subbies is not hurting in japan, because tehre is alot of time attacks freaks there.[embed]<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/0hhbGcTQKEc&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/0hhbGcTQKEc&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>[/embed]
10-07-2009, 01:14 PM
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actucally i wasnt being spiteful. i just looked at all your post, and sound like fanboy talk.
well if that is the case, then explain to me why Celica floppped in sales here in the US, cant say because it was a FF car. when ppl where buying up Intgras and Civics like candy.
which is why subbie needs this more then toyota does in the US. Subbies is not hurting in japan, because tehre is alot of time attacks freaks there.
well if that is the case, then explain to me why Celica floppped in sales here in the US, cant say because it was a FF car. when ppl where buying up Intgras and Civics like candy.
which is why subbie needs this more then toyota does in the US.
Subbies is not hurting in japan, because tehre is alot of time attacks freaks there.
10-07-2009, 01:32 PM
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It was unfortunate that the Celica did not succeed, but it was not a surprise. That car was designed to compete against the Integra coupe, but it was introduced towards the end of the then current DC2 Integra's product cycle. When the RSX debuted it was a more refined, comfortable and powerful car at a similar price point. Then for MY2002 Subaru finally brought over the WRX to the states. Why would anyone buy a Celica GT-S when for about the same price you could get the WRX? It had more power, more torque, had AWD, was more practical and, for the enthusiasts, was so much more easy to modify?
if your answer the way that i hope you do, then you will see why toyota wouldnt do the same mistake as acura/honda did.
which brings up another question. if these specs are true, which seems very unlikely. who is going to buy a toyota ft86 (in the US) over the Hyndai genises coupe?
sounds like toyota would be making teh same mistakes that they did with the Celica. but with different drive terrarin, sorta defeats the purpose of launching a car that no one will buy, esepcially over the genises coupe.
but like the magazines in japan states, tehy will brand it as a subbie, with more HP. seems logical to me.
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10-07-2009, 01:50 PM
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So my next question is, why did rsx fail to the civic?
if your answer the way that i hope you do, then you will see why toyota wouldnt do the same mistake as acura/honda did.
which brings up another question. if these specs are true, which seems very unlikely. who is going to buy a toyota ft86 (in the US) over the Hyndai genises coupe?
sounds like toyota would be making teh same mistakes that they did with the Celica. but with different drive terrarin, sorta defeats the purpose of launching a car that no one will buy, esepcially over the genises coupe.
but like the magazines in japan states, tehy will brand it as a subbie, with more HP. seems logical to me.
if your answer the way that i hope you do, then you will see why toyota wouldnt do the same mistake as acura/honda did.
which brings up another question. if these specs are true, which seems very unlikely. who is going to buy a toyota ft86 (in the US) over the Hyndai genises coupe?
sounds like toyota would be making teh same mistakes that they did with the Celica. but with different drive terrarin, sorta defeats the purpose of launching a car that no one will buy, esepcially over the genises coupe.
but like the magazines in japan states, tehy will brand it as a subbie, with more HP. seems logical to me.
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10-07-2009, 01:58 PM
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Several sketches have leaked out featuring the Subaru-branded version of a coupe co-developed with Toyota. Although supposedly not yet green-lit by Subaru, the car is continuing to push forward as a Toyota.
Toyota will debut their FT-86 concept at the Tokyo Motor Show later this month. Details of the concept were sent out in a release earlier this week, with Toyota confirming the vehicle's use of the Subaru 2.0-liter Boxer engine. The engine could be tuned as high as 200 hp, a 25% increase over its normal output.
The Subaru sketches show a car that looks near-identical to the photos released by Toyota. The differences between the vehicles are more or less cosmetic. Subaru's vehicle has a third brake-light built into the spoiler. Tailpipes appear to be hidden as well, while side mirrors have been left off altogether.
However, the rumor-mill is suggesting that Subaru is grappling with the decision to push forward with a self-branded version of the car. The company has carved out a niche for themselves in the auto industry for providing all-wheel-drive vehicles. Meanwhile, the coupe under development is believed to be rear-wheel-drive for both auto makers.
The benefit of building the car is that Subaru will have the opportunity to freshen their image. With sales of the Outback, Tribeca, and Impreza flagging, a sporty coupe may be exactly what the company needs. Subaru was one of the few auto makers to come out of last year's industry-wide tailspin in decent shape. The automaker will be looking to build momentum into 2010 and 2011.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/10910072...ketches-leaked
10-07-2009, 02:24 PM
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So my next question is, why did rsx fail to the civic?
if your answer the way that i hope you do, then you will see why toyota wouldnt do the same mistake as acura/honda did.
which brings up another question. if these specs are true, which seems very unlikely. who is going to buy a toyota ft86 (in the US) over the Hyndai genises coupe?
sounds like toyota would be making teh same mistakes that they did with the Celica. but with different drive terrarin, sorta defeats the purpose of launching a car that no one will buy, esepcially over the genises coupe.
but like the magazines in japan states, tehy will brand it as a subbie, with more HP. seems logical to me.
if your answer the way that i hope you do, then you will see why toyota wouldnt do the same mistake as acura/honda did.
which brings up another question. if these specs are true, which seems very unlikely. who is going to buy a toyota ft86 (in the US) over the Hyndai genises coupe?
sounds like toyota would be making teh same mistakes that they did with the Celica. but with different drive terrarin, sorta defeats the purpose of launching a car that no one will buy, esepcially over the genises coupe.
but like the magazines in japan states, tehy will brand it as a subbie, with more HP. seems logical to me.
The Genesis coupe is not the target (except in price) with the FT-86, not with those dimensions. I see that the Civic Si and VW GTI are the most plausible competitors.
10-07-2009, 02:28 PM
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The benefit of building the car is that Subaru will have the opportunity to freshen their image. With sales of the Outback, Tribeca, and Impreza flagging, a sporty coupe may be exactly what the company needs.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/10910072...ketches-leaked
http://www.worldcarfans.com/10910072...ketches-leaked
Well, from a Toyota enthusiast's standpoint, that's disappointing to hear. A coupe is one thing that Subaru hasn't had in a while and I know that the GC8 Impreza was sorely missed when the GDA/GDB were introduced.
The front end of the last sketch in the link reminds me of a G35.
10-07-2009, 02:40 PM
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The RSX and Civic are targeted at different demographics. If you're refering to the Civic Si, then that clarifies this question. Some of the reasons that led to the demise of the RSX are: 1)Consumer tastes were changing. People wanted something more practical while remaining sporty. Coupes at this price point were going out of style when hatchbacks, like the 3, were gaining in popularity. 2) Aside from the EP3 Civic Si, the current Civic Si was cheaper, yet just as powerful. Why pay more for a similar car (RSX)? 3) Acura's product lineup was going more upscale and the RSX did not fit that vision. Honda wouldn't take it because they already had the Civic Si, so the RSX was left to die out without a replacement.
The Genesis coupe is not the target (except in price) with the FT-86, not with those dimensions. I see that the Civic Si and VW GTI are the most plausible competitors.
The Genesis coupe is not the target (except in price) with the FT-86, not with those dimensions. I see that the Civic Si and VW GTI are the most plausible competitors.
Toyota already stated that they are looking at 20K range, which Tc is 20k range. why would toyota pit both cars against each other?
any how, i give up ( this time i am being honest) because its hard to talk to someone who ignores all the signs because his dream of toyota bringing back t he AE86 to a fanclub in the US, taht didnt exist till the last 2-3years.
also like to add, i am never serious about my post. lots of it, just for fun . i just like pointing out why your reasons dont really make any sense. but hey , glad you are a toyota fan like my self.
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10-08-2009, 04:45 AM
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In the UK they are calling it the NEW Toyota CELICA!
10-14-2009, 12:27 AM
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I think the biggest reason, already mentioned, that the RSX was not replaced was Acura wanted to go upscale and a car starting around $20K and attracting the "wrong" crowd was not desired. Too bad nothing replaced it, even if it moved upwards to around 25K. Of course, I think I read Acura/Honda is thinking of bring in an entry-level sporty car again. Of course, it will be ugly.
And the Celica - the styling was a bit odd and the pricing was way out of whack for the performance you got. And essentially, the Scion tC took it's place and also got a lot of folks who might have bought an Acura RSX. Even though I haven't driven either, I am under the impression that tC is far blander to drive than the Celica and RSX.
Here's hoping any new sporty coupe that Toyota brings out is more akin go the IS-F and not the Camry LE.
And the Celica - the styling was a bit odd and the pricing was way out of whack for the performance you got. And essentially, the Scion tC took it's place and also got a lot of folks who might have bought an Acura RSX. Even though I haven't driven either, I am under the impression that tC is far blander to drive than the Celica and RSX.
Here's hoping any new sporty coupe that Toyota brings out is more akin go the IS-F and not the Camry LE.
10-14-2009, 12:55 AM
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Looks like GTR from the side\profile view. Just a more relaxed back end. Front looks sexy, from the fangs, to the shark mouth looking like it will bite you.
Mazda cars smile in victory, This thing looks like it will swallow the opposition whole.
I just want to know how much it weighs, and how nice the Chassis is.
Mazda cars smile in victory, This thing looks like it will swallow the opposition whole.
I just want to know how much it weighs, and how nice the Chassis is.
10-14-2009, 12:26 PM
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10-14-2009, 12:31 PM
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alfy, here is a link to a bunch of good chops of the FT-86. Of course everyone here will agree my chop with TE37's is the best 
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6
10-14-2009, 01:06 PM
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Woot thanks man.
i would love to have one in this color or white
as for wheel color, it would be dark bronze or gun metal.
but for white car it wuld be dark bronze.
i just wanted to see how the color of the wheels would look. not wanting those wheels though
i would love to have one in this color or white
as for wheel color, it would be dark bronze or gun metal.
but for white car it wuld be dark bronze.
i just wanted to see how the color of the wheels would look. not wanting those wheels though
10-14-2009, 01:25 PM
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The back needs to slope more, it has too much of a "hunchback of Notre Dame" look. (although I realize this is probably done to increase rear passenger headroom)