They said, it couldnt be built- FT-86
10-06-2009, 01:41 PM
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Someone needs to do a chop and lower it with some decent wheels....
10-06-2009, 02:10 PM
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*shrug* I could be wrong. I don't know how all the political business works so it's just a guess.
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10-06-2009, 03:43 PM
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This picture made me laugh:
OMGZ THREE PEDALS WTF THAT MUST BE SOME NEW TECHNOLOGY!!!!111!11!
Ah, the state of the auto industry and general car buying populace - torque converters and flappy paddles FTL.
OMGZ THREE PEDALS WTF THAT MUST BE SOME NEW TECHNOLOGY!!!!111!11!
Ah, the state of the auto industry and general car buying populace - torque converters and flappy paddles FTL.
10-06-2009, 03:49 PM
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i dont see that. but IMO, if they had to choose between what country gets what. then Japan will get the trueno or levin , so they can compete against nissan silvia, and the US gets the subbie.
out of all my friends in japan, me and another friend out of 25, went with mazda (after our graduations of trueno, carina, and levins) the rest went went nissan.
Now that was back in early to mid 90’s. but after AE86, there is no car to move to the next Toyota.
AE100 is FF, AE 101 is FF. only thing FR was supra, chaser, mark2, but with drifting, supra is nice but expensive also. Chaser and mark 2 are nice, but its more like if you want to be in pimp mode , but also want to drift.
Which is why FC, and S13-S14 are so popular there. If Toyota had a car was TC ,FR during the early –mid 90's, I would of gotten one over a FC. Because one AE100 is a nice looking car for its time.
but going with FF since 1992 was a dumb move by Toyota. All the ppl who owned AE86 went to Nissan. So i see toyota going with FT86 for japan, especially if nissan decides to make a new silvia. AE86 is a good starter car, but its nothing special. which is why i am amazed how overly hyped this car is in the US.
out of all my friends in japan, me and another friend out of 25, went with mazda (after our graduations of trueno, carina, and levins) the rest went went nissan.
Now that was back in early to mid 90’s. but after AE86, there is no car to move to the next Toyota.
AE100 is FF, AE 101 is FF. only thing FR was supra, chaser, mark2, but with drifting, supra is nice but expensive also. Chaser and mark 2 are nice, but its more like if you want to be in pimp mode , but also want to drift.
Which is why FC, and S13-S14 are so popular there. If Toyota had a car was TC ,FR during the early –mid 90's, I would of gotten one over a FC. Because one AE100 is a nice looking car for its time.
but going with FF since 1992 was a dumb move by Toyota. All the ppl who owned AE86 went to Nissan. So i see toyota going with FT86 for japan, especially if nissan decides to make a new silvia. AE86 is a good starter car, but its nothing special. which is why i am amazed how overly hyped this car is in the US.
Toyota, the brand, hasn't had anything remotely sporty in the US since the Celica and MR2 Spyder. Subaru is known for their motorsports involvement and they have products that consumers can directly identify with. Toyota doesn't have that anymore. Selling this car as a Subaru in the states has the great potential to alienate Subaru's customers and enthusiasts. They spent years marketing "The Beauty of All-Wheel Drive". People have come to Subaru for that reason. They know that whatever vehicle they purchase it'll have AWD.
The biggest Toyota risks is having their current customers take a look at this car and not care for it. However, they also could gain the most as this could bring back those who have gone away from Toyota to look for sportier pastures (like me for an example) and bring in new blood that have the potential to form a lasting relationship with the brand.
10-06-2009, 04:14 PM
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Toyota will be selling this car in the US. Here is why:
Toyota, the brand, hasn't had anything remotely sporty in the US since the Celica and MR2 Spyder. Subaru is known for their motorsports involvement and they have products that consumers can directly identify with. Toyota doesn't have that anymore. Selling this car as a Subaru in the states has the great potential to alienate Subaru's customers and enthusiasts. They spent years marketing "The Beauty of All-Wheel Drive". People have come to Subaru for that reason. They know that whatever vehicle they purchase it'll have AWD.
The biggest Toyota risks is having their current customers take a look at this car and not care for it. However, they also could gain the most as this could bring back those who have gone away from Toyota to look for sportier pastures (like me for an example) and bring in new blood that have the potential to form a lasting relationship with the brand.
Toyota, the brand, hasn't had anything remotely sporty in the US since the Celica and MR2 Spyder. Subaru is known for their motorsports involvement and they have products that consumers can directly identify with. Toyota doesn't have that anymore. Selling this car as a Subaru in the states has the great potential to alienate Subaru's customers and enthusiasts. They spent years marketing "The Beauty of All-Wheel Drive". People have come to Subaru for that reason. They know that whatever vehicle they purchase it'll have AWD.
The biggest Toyota risks is having their current customers take a look at this car and not care for it. However, they also could gain the most as this could bring back those who have gone away from Toyota to look for sportier pastures (like me for an example) and bring in new blood that have the potential to form a lasting relationship with the brand.
sorry but your whole post doesn’t make any sense at all. for starters, Scion brand taken over for the buyers for the Celica. infact TC is basically the replacement for the Celica . now why would Toyota shoot themselves in the foot, if they released the FT -86 with a Toyota badge here in the US.? there will be no reason for the scion to exist here in the US, if they did.
Scion was built to attract American youngsters, if FT86 is sold here not under a subbie badge, then it’s going to be under a Scion badge. Even though AE86 is a overhyped car (not sure why ppl in the US care for this so much)it won’t be sold under a Toyota here in the US. Especially with the suppose specs, that is Scion territory .
2 ppl like my self have been complaing about the direction Toyota took in japan in the early 90's. When AE92 dissapoited us (FF) we where excited for the AE100 until we found out it was a FF. I highly doubt that Toyota wants to disappoint ppl in japan again. They lost lots of ppl to Nissan because of that .
3. why would toyota japan want buyers to head over to subbie ? AE86 will always be known in japan as a Toyota. so why would toyota disgrace the name and put a subbie badge over in japan?
now i am not saying that i am right, and your wrong. but looking at it logically, i just dont see how toyota would sell this car under a toyota badge in the US. especially when they have Scion. i dotn see ppl like us, flying over to scion and wanting to buy this car. i can see us flying over to subbie to buy this car, but ppl our age (at least how i see it) wont be at Scion. now i am not saying its 100% its going to be sold at scion, but for the price tag they are looking at, its a Scion car. so if any thing, this car would be a replacement for the TC under a Scion badge, if they dont sell it under a subbie badge here in the US.
to be honest, subbie needs this here in the US then toyota does. that is just my iopinion.
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10-06-2009, 05:42 PM
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sorry but your whole post doesn’t make any sense at all. for starters, Scion brand taken over for the buyers for the Celica. infact TC is basically the replacement for the Celica . now why would Toyota shoot themselves in the foot, if they released the FT -86 with a Toyota badge here in the US.? there will be no reason for the scion to exist here in the US, if they did.
Scion was built to attract American youngsters, if FT86 is sold here not under a subbie badge, then it’s going to be under a Scion badge. Even though AE86 is a overhyped car (not sure why ppl in the US care for this so much)it won’t be sold under a Toyota here in the US. Especially with the suppose specs, that is Scion territory .
2 ppl like my self have been complaing about the direction Toyota took in japan in the early 90's. When AE100 came out, every one was excited until we found out it was a FF. I highly doubt that Toyota wants to disappoint ppl in japan again. They lost lots of ppl to Nissan because of that .
3. why would toyota japan want buyers to head over to subbie ? AE86 will always be known in japan as a Toyota. so why would toyota disgrace the name and put a subbie badge over in japan?
now i am not saying that i am right, and your wrong. but looking at it logically, i just dont see how toyota would sell this car under a toyota badge in the US. especially when they have Scion. i dotn see ppl like us, flying over to scion and wanting to buy this car. i can see us flying over to subbie to buy this car, but ppl our age (at least how i see it) wont be at Scion. now i am not saying its 100% its going to be sold at scion, but for the price tag they are looking at, its a Scion car. so if any thing, this car would be a replacement for the TC under a Scion badge, if they dont sell it under a subbie badge here in the US.
to be honest, subbie needs this here in the US then toyota does. that is just my iopinion.
Scion was built to attract American youngsters, if FT86 is sold here not under a subbie badge, then it’s going to be under a Scion badge. Even though AE86 is a overhyped car (not sure why ppl in the US care for this so much)it won’t be sold under a Toyota here in the US. Especially with the suppose specs, that is Scion territory .
2 ppl like my self have been complaing about the direction Toyota took in japan in the early 90's. When AE100 came out, every one was excited until we found out it was a FF. I highly doubt that Toyota wants to disappoint ppl in japan again. They lost lots of ppl to Nissan because of that .
3. why would toyota japan want buyers to head over to subbie ? AE86 will always be known in japan as a Toyota. so why would toyota disgrace the name and put a subbie badge over in japan?
now i am not saying that i am right, and your wrong. but looking at it logically, i just dont see how toyota would sell this car under a toyota badge in the US. especially when they have Scion. i dotn see ppl like us, flying over to scion and wanting to buy this car. i can see us flying over to subbie to buy this car, but ppl our age (at least how i see it) wont be at Scion. now i am not saying its 100% its going to be sold at scion, but for the price tag they are looking at, its a Scion car. so if any thing, this car would be a replacement for the TC under a Scion badge, if they dont sell it under a subbie badge here in the US.
to be honest, subbie needs this here in the US then toyota does. that is just my iopinion.
Scion is branded as more of a lifestyle company for the "cool" and the "hip" on a budget. The tC was designed to look sporty in Scion's lineup of box-on-wheels.
Toyota having the FT-86 would, as I have said before, help bring back those who have long abandoned Toyota and bring in new customers looking for something fun and sporty. They could reach out to far more people with this car than Subaru. Toyota has the resources. They have approximately 1400 dealers in the US. Subaru has under 600.
Also, enthusiasm for the successor to the AE86 has been brewing for the last several years. Sharing a history like that under the Toyota name helps sell the car.
The new president of Toyota has a history in motorsports and has stated that he wants to improve the company's image with more soulful cars. That would be the FT-86 and LF-A to start with.
In Japan, there is the likely possibility that both Toyota and Subaru will be marketing this car, however the Subaru version will have different sheetmetal to suit their design philosophy.
Now, moving on to the original AE86, I think that the term "overhyped" is uncalled for, but that's my opinion. I mean, I can understand why people have called it as such and, in some respects, I agree. I would like to hear your reasons so I know where you're coming from.
The reasons why I love my Corolla are the same reasons why I love my 8. It's simple, practical, light, communicative and quirky. I don't have to deal with traction control, stability control, flappy paddles, iDrive-like device, or any of that non-sense. The only other cars that are any purer at this price point are the Miata and S2000, but then I'd be sacrificing practicality. The way I see it, the 8 is the natural step up.
10-06-2009, 08:03 PM
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This is why I said that this is about the Toyota brand and lineup, not the company (meaning Lexus, Scion and Toyota). Subaru already has sporty cars. They have the WRX, WRX STI and Legacy GT. Why would they need a RWD car in their lineup when here in the US their selling point is AWD?
Scion is branded as more of a lifestyle company for the "cool" and the "hip" on a budget. The tC was designed to look sporty in Scion's lineup of box-on-wheels.
Toyota having the FT-86 would, as I have said before, help bring back those who have long abandoned Toyota and bring in new customers looking for something fun and sporty. They could reach out to far more people with this car than Subaru. Toyota has the resources. They have approximately 1400 dealers in the US. Subaru has under 600.
Also, enthusiasm for the successor to the AE86 has been brewing for the last several years. Sharing a history like that under the Toyota name helps sell the car.
The new president of Toyota has a history in motorsports and has stated that he wants to improve the company's image with more soulful cars. That would be the FT-86 and LF-A to start with.
In Japan, there is the likely possibility that both Toyota and Subaru will be marketing this car, however the Subaru version will have different sheetmetal to suit their design philosophy.
Now, moving on to the original AE86, I think that the term "overhyped" is uncalled for, but that's my opinion. I mean, I can understand why people have called it as such and, in some respects, I agree. I would like to hear your reasons so I know where you're coming from.
The reasons why I love my Corolla are the same reasons why I love my 8. It's simple, practical, light, communicative and quirky. I don't have to deal with traction control, stability control, flappy paddles, iDrive-like device, or any of that non-sense. The only other cars that are any purer at this price point are the Miata and S2000, but then I'd be sacrificing practicality. The way I see it, the 8 is the natural step up.
Scion is branded as more of a lifestyle company for the "cool" and the "hip" on a budget. The tC was designed to look sporty in Scion's lineup of box-on-wheels.
Toyota having the FT-86 would, as I have said before, help bring back those who have long abandoned Toyota and bring in new customers looking for something fun and sporty. They could reach out to far more people with this car than Subaru. Toyota has the resources. They have approximately 1400 dealers in the US. Subaru has under 600.
Also, enthusiasm for the successor to the AE86 has been brewing for the last several years. Sharing a history like that under the Toyota name helps sell the car.
The new president of Toyota has a history in motorsports and has stated that he wants to improve the company's image with more soulful cars. That would be the FT-86 and LF-A to start with.
In Japan, there is the likely possibility that both Toyota and Subaru will be marketing this car, however the Subaru version will have different sheetmetal to suit their design philosophy.
Now, moving on to the original AE86, I think that the term "overhyped" is uncalled for, but that's my opinion. I mean, I can understand why people have called it as such and, in some respects, I agree. I would like to hear your reasons so I know where you're coming from.
The reasons why I love my Corolla are the same reasons why I love my 8. It's simple, practical, light, communicative and quirky. I don't have to deal with traction control, stability control, flappy paddles, iDrive-like device, or any of that non-sense. The only other cars that are any purer at this price point are the Miata and S2000, but then I'd be sacrificing practicality. The way I see it, the 8 is the natural step up.
well for starters, what customers are you talking about that abandoned toyota here in the US are you talking about? when i moved here to US, i didnt see ppl driving AE86's, i seen bunch of young ppl driving intgras and civics.
Celica sold ok, not great but ok.
Supra was expensive. but then again, i wasnt living here in the US at the time (moved here at 21 from japan). so i dont know how expensive that car was.
2. If you if you really think that Scion was made just for kicks , then i have news for you. the reason why Scion was made was, 1. Celica sold like crap. 2. Honda sold civics like crack.
Toyota made scion to compete against the honda civics, Mazda 3's, with a different look then the toyota consertative look.
as you notice Scion is doing really well, ever since it dropped the Toyota Celica. do you think toyota is just going to f that up, for a FT-86 being sold under a toyota badge? Come on, its just common sense.
Why do you think rsx failed? because the civic outsold it. honda already proven to us that, putting cars from same company that honda owns and putting them up against each other doenst work. so do you think toyota is just going to pit the FT86 against their money maker with younger crowds the Scion?,just for the 1% toyota fan boys here in the US?
which is why i dont see FT-86 being sold as a toyota in teh US. If not under a subbe badge, then you will see that car being sold under a scion badge. Subbie doesnt have a car priced at younger crowds. i know you said Subbie is AWD, but in japan subbie sold cars under AWD and RWD.
and yes the AE86 is a overhyped car. i owned one (trunk trueno) for a year (age 16) before i moved on to a FC in okinawa japan. if i could do it all over again, i would either got a toytoa Carina, or a First Gen miata, which both cars handle way better then a AE86.
only reason why its so popular here , because of a bunch of kids thought intial D is so cool . i cant see my self paying 10k for a aAE86, when i only spent 900. for mine. do you want to know why its so popular in japan? has nothign to do with handling, or tuning. its just a a cheap RWD car that you can get for 500-1.500 bucks.
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10-06-2009, 09:13 PM
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lets say that toyota decides to badge the car as a toyota car here in the US. now you said that toyota needs a entry lvl sports here in the US, well what is the nxt car they are suppose to go to? if lFA is being badges as a lexus at 90k+. wiht it being badge as a subbie, they can move on to the STI or WRX.
10-06-2009, 09:28 PM
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actually i see it being badge as a subbie, like most japanese magazines have said it would be for the US. i just used scion as an example for hte poster who think toyota would badge it as a subbe in japan and a toyota here in the US. i dont think he understand that subbie doesnt have a problem in japan with all the time attack freaks.
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10-06-2009, 09:35 PM
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Here it's in GT5!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QZac...er_profilepage
Pretty sick. I like the styling.
Btw PD finally fixed the crappy tire noises and the cars sound much more raw too!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QZac...er_profilepage
Pretty sick. I like the styling.
Btw PD finally fixed the crappy tire noises and the cars sound much more raw too!
10-06-2009, 09:51 PM
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Found this comment...
However, if Toyota can take a page from the Mazda MX-5's book and create a balanced, fun to drive, low-powered (and low-cost) coupe, it may be able to carve a nice niche for itself.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-10368778-48.html
Found this comment...
However, if Toyota can take a page from the Mazda MX-5's book and create a balanced, fun to drive, low-powered (and low-cost) coupe, it may be able to carve a nice niche for itself.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-10368778-48.html