areitu

Supercharged Zs have blown engines. Some of the people on the board who aren't too bright are shying away from it suddenly. One of the guys who has a supercharged Z (and blew the engine) said he expected it because he drove his car like it was intended to be driven.

cwerdna

Err... I wouldn't consider supercharging to fall under the category of unmodded or lightly modded cars! Those don't count. Sure, the Smithtown Nissan guys ran >300 shots of NOS (as high as 375) on stock internals and blew their engine... but that's insane! That's 375 hp to an engine that produces 287... Also, not my idea of a light mod.

How many of the failed RX-8 engines had forced induction or NOS (well, that's also FI too)?

zerobanger

13.73, LOL Dreaming is good.

cwerdna

Take a look at the post by 1.8T at http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...0&pagenumber=5

and stx at http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...0&pagenumber=5

I would like to see the timeslips though... What's the best 1/4 mile here on a stock 8? I recall Judge Ito had a 14.5 and I recall him mentioning that he'd be drag racing for 15 years. Heck, I've only had my license for 12 and only had a car worth racing for 2...

zerobanger

I ran 12.99 @ 108 in my bone stock 1994 Rx-7.:D

zerobanger

and Mr ITO ran a 14.2

cwerdna

I see a 14.32 https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=17031 but he wrecked his 1st gear in the process. Hmmm... My bad though... his 14.32 post was pretty recent. I'd been following his 14.5 thread from awhile ago. Where's his 14.2?

Rick

I ran a 13.1 @ 108 w/12.5 pounds of boost on 18" wheels & street tires. What type of tires did you use?

zerobanger

Ok, you said 14.4 I said 14.2, its 14.3. Who the *** cares? the 350Z and RX-8 both make pathetic drag cars. One has doesn't have enough torque to get it off the line, the other is a fat pig that has the top end of a butterfly (and an interior that was designed by a 10 year old with his first lego set).

areitu

I think I quote you in my rx7club.com sig. :D

The 350Z dosen't have top end. The RX8 does. From the back seat, at least. The 350Z and the G35C are extremely similar cars, platform and engine-wise. In fact, the G35C posts better skidpad numbers than the 350Z (less tailhappy at the limit, better tires). A friend of mine has a G35C 6MT and the Technosquare ECU remap. Instead of the engine pulling the same through the rev range, it gains top end where power usually peters out. Think of it as something like the Canzoomer mod. Makes it a REAL sports car rather than a great chassis with a truck engine.

I prefer the 350Z's interior over the G35C's, but the RX8 over both. Unless you stare at the door or the center console all day, the 350Z interior really isn't that bad.

fstfd3spower

Look what i started..

well i think im getting rx8. More i look at it, more i like it.
Interior is so much better. i got 2 cars that are fast...dont need another afast car.

Ike

Do you actually think Mazda did this to be nice? They did it to prevent future lawsuits and preserve some credibility and not make people angry so the future of their brand is less tarnished. If you look at the numbers Mazda came up with it's right on the threshold of 5% and I believe that's the point where people are able to take legal action. Had they rated the car at 237 (which still seems to be out of wack) it would have come out to 5.1%, and I have yet to see why Mazda came up with the 238 number other than to keep themselves out of legal hot water. The buyback and free maintenance offer was to save themselves money in the future and many lawsuits, not to be nice.

Also, you're nutty if you think the RX-8 has topend and the Z doesn't, everything I've seen seems to point to the Z pulling away very hard from the RX-8 after the 100mph point is broken.

zerobanger

I dont know about the rx-8, but I drove the 350Z and its a DOG (other than when first hit the gas). at 4000 rpm you feel like a butterfly.

syntrix

IMHO, MNAO had two options.

Leave the power and deal with new emissions requirements on the cats that require more longevity than older standards.

Change the power, increase cat life, and as a premptive motion, offered buybacks to the people that have purchased them.

Ike, have you driven an RX8 at speed? For some reason it feels like it's pulling faster in the higher gears.

Sure the Z has more tq/hp, it's a great 2 seater with a V6 in it

But the USDM cars are pretty much the same, except for the port reflash .

So if the ecu were putting out JDM specs, would that technically be "stock"??

Gotta love the Z!! Nissan did right with that car for what it is!

Ike

I only took the RX-8 to about 90 on my testdrive. But if you look at the mag numbers, the G35 and Z pull much stronger at higher MPH even against the pre production car. For instance in C&D the G35 beat the RX-8 to 130 by 6.7 seconds, at 130mph that is an obscene amount of carlengths. It's even more telling when you consider there was only a 1.3 second difference 0-100. Then consider the Z is lighter and has a slightly more freeflowing exhaust and 10 more HP.

Zerobanger, I find it impossible that you actually drove a Z, or you;re just misrepresenting. It's hardly a dog and I think just about everyone that has ever driven one will agree with me whether they like it or not.

Ike

zerobanger

too ******* bad. I drove one 3 weeks ago at the nissan dealer in Oakland california. Like I said, when I first hit the gas it was great, then it got really boring. It has NO top end.

syntrix

I thought the weight of the Z was about 3200-3300. 3225 at edmunds

Might want to 2x check the RX8 weight With popular options: 3,029 lbs [ http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/disp...ehicleCode=RX8 ] <- hope that link works, and some sport RX8's are in the 29's.

How is the 350Z lighter?

RX8-TX

I believe he was comparing the G & Z

Ike

Correct.


Zero, if the Z is a dog then it's a Greyhound and the RX-8 is a Beagle.

syntrix

Ok, that makes sense!

RX8-TX

Dude, I don't like Greyhounds....I like Chihuahua's!

zerobanger

I dont own an Rx-8. I own an Rx-7, compared to my car the 350Z feels like a turtle.

Just the facts.

areitu

The G/Z do feel like turtles without the Technosquare ECU flash. They lean it out a bit on top and it gains a lot more pull. Stock, it basically feels the same when you floor it at 4500rpm and 5500rpm. They might have more actual power at the top end than the RX8, but the engine pulls flatly through the rev-range. That's the point we're trying to get across.

The RX8 starts off gently and surges forward when all those ports click open. It makes the car feel light. I liked it a lot in stock form, I can't imagine the port reflash.

Morning Wood

so then the rx-8 must be a snail?

Broker73

Ike, R&T has the 8 from 0-100 in 15.9, and the G35 14.9 I believe

you keep refering to C&D 0-130 time, and I have seen no link or info on this. The cars are almost identical in the 0-60 and 1/4 mile. But as per usual you will find something or say something to try and put holes in any info that is presented to you. The street start time for the G35 is lower, but with any highreving engine like the 8, it is going to be a weakness. In fact, R&T had to launch the G35 to get a 6.1 0-60. Just face it, between the 2, you have almost identical performance.