Rx8 Or 350Z..
12-25-2003, 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by Morning Wood
so then the rx-8 must be a snail?
so then the rx-8 must be a snail?
they are both snails. but the rx8 out performs the z in all other catagories. rx8 baby!!
12-25-2003, 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by IkeWRX
Correct.
Zero, if the Z is a dog then it's a Greyhound and the RX-8 is a Beagle.
Correct.
Zero, if the Z is a dog then it's a Greyhound and the RX-8 is a Beagle.
12-25-2003, 06:45 PM
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Originally posted by Broker73
Ike, R&T has the 8 from 0-100 in 15.9, and the G35 14.9 I believe
you keep refering to C&D 0-130 time, and I have seen no link or info on this. The cars are almost identical in the 0-60 and 1/4 mile. But as per usual you will find something or say something to try and put holes in any info that is presented to you. The street start time for the G35 is lower, but with any highreving engine like the 8, it is going to be a weakness. In fact, R&T had to launch the G35 to get a 6.1 0-60. Just face it, between the 2, you have almost identical performance.
Ike, R&T has the 8 from 0-100 in 15.9, and the G35 14.9 I believe
you keep refering to C&D 0-130 time, and I have seen no link or info on this. The cars are almost identical in the 0-60 and 1/4 mile. But as per usual you will find something or say something to try and put holes in any info that is presented to you. The street start time for the G35 is lower, but with any highreving engine like the 8, it is going to be a weakness. In fact, R&T had to launch the G35 to get a 6.1 0-60. Just face it, between the 2, you have almost identical performance.
I know 02-03 stock Maximas (same engine as Z and G35, but rated at only 255 hp) can run a 14.6 w/an auto at best and 14.2-14.3 at best w/a manual. I've personally done a 14.9 at best on my stock 02 Maxima GXE auto w/o brake torquing.
12-25-2003, 07:35 PM
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re-read my post, I never said there was a 1 sec difference in the 1/4 mile. In the Dec 29th addition of Edmunds I believe, the test for the 8 pulled 14.7 in the 1/4. This is only a few 10ths off the G35 Coupe. They are almost identical in the 1/4 mile.
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Originally posted by Broker73
re-read my post, I never said there was a 1 sec difference in the 1/4 mile. In the Dec 29th addition of Edmunds I believe, the test for the 8 pulled 14.7 in the 1/4. This is only a few 10ths off the G35 Coupe. They are almost identical in the 1/4 mile.
re-read my post, I never said there was a 1 sec difference in the 1/4 mile. In the Dec 29th addition of Edmunds I believe, the test for the 8 pulled 14.7 in the 1/4. This is only a few 10ths off the G35 Coupe. They are almost identical in the 1/4 mile.
you keep refering to C&D 0-130 time, and I have seen no link or info on this. The cars are almost identical in the 0-60 and 1/4 mile."
So, you've started out w/a 1 second difference, assert the performance is almost identical and now you've thrown in some other new numbers.
It's very difficult to compare 1/4 mile times between different publications. There's a lot of variation due to driver skill, track conditions, altitude, temperature, humidity, how you launch, etc. Heck, even within the same mag, sometimes there a hilarious amount of variation in 1/4 mile times and braking distances. If I had access to my October 02 Car and Driver issue (800 miles away right now) where they bashed the 02 Maxima SE, and then looked in the same issue at the reviews that included the 3.2TL and G35, you'll see what I mean.
Back to your numbers, since you are so fond of quoting random publications, Edmunds pulled off a 15.1 in the 1/4 mile on a manual RX-8. http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/compa...9/page004.html
Edmunds achieved 14.66 using an AUTOMATIC G35 coupe. See http://www.edmunds.com/new/2004/infi...alpage=page001 .
Almost identical? I think not.... if they only had some times for a manual G35 coupe or an automatic RX-8 to compare.
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12-25-2003, 08:39 PM
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But on that page:
http://edmunds.com/reviews/compariso...ge004.html#ets
There's a .5 difference between the RX8 and the 350Z.
Must be those extra seats in the back of the RX8
And surprisingly, the RX8 wins in braking AND slalom.
http://edmunds.com/reviews/compariso...ge004.html#ets
There's a .5 difference between the RX8 and the 350Z.
Must be those extra seats in the back of the RX8
And surprisingly, the RX8 wins in braking AND slalom.
12-25-2003, 08:41 PM
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Originally posted by syntrix
But on that page:
http://edmunds.com/reviews/compariso...ge004.html#ets
There's a .5 difference between the RX8 and the 350Z.
Must be those extra seats in the back of the RX8
And surprisingly, the RX8 wins in braking AND slalom.
But on that page:
http://edmunds.com/reviews/compariso...ge004.html#ets
There's a .5 difference between the RX8 and the 350Z.
Must be those extra seats in the back of the RX8
And surprisingly, the RX8 wins in braking AND slalom.
12-25-2003, 08:44 PM
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claimed to run 13.7 on stock 350Z
Yah ok, if you believe that then enough said:p
variation does show up between mags. And as far as Edmunds, if they did not do a hard launch, then 1/4 mile time will vary.
Yah ok, if you believe that then enough said:p
variation does show up between mags. And as far as Edmunds, if they did not do a hard launch, then 1/4 mile time will vary.
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Originally posted by Broker73
claimed to run 13.7 on stock 350Z
Yah ok, if you believe that then enough said:p
variation does show up between mags. And as far as Edmunds, if they did not do a hard launch, then 1/4 mile time will vary.
claimed to run 13.7 on stock 350Z
Yah ok, if you believe that then enough said:p
variation does show up between mags. And as far as Edmunds, if they did not do a hard launch, then 1/4 mile time will vary.
There seem to be a lot of staunch defenders of the 8 on here... not surprising though. I think it's quite obvious the 8 is slower in the 1/4 mile than a G35 coupe and a Z, if have the same transmissions on all of them. I think that's well established. To claim that the 8 has almost identical performance in a straight line is BS IMHO.
If any 8 owners live in the Seattle area, when SIR/PR opens up again for drags [probably around Feb. 04], I'd be glad to stock 8 owners to some drags there against my stock automatic Z.
I will concede that the 8 from all accounts handles better than the other 2 and has a better interior than the Z. I will also concede that the ride on the 8 is not nearly as harsh as my Z's.
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12-25-2003, 08:48 PM
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Although people love to quote magazine numbers, they are all not really any use.
Many tracks are slippery, and there's others that stick very well. This will make a difference in times between the tracks.
Also, temperature, elevation, etc all play a big part in the times that people run!
Even the driver may not be launching the best or shifting fast enough in one car or the other!
Many tracks are slippery, and there's others that stick very well. This will make a difference in times between the tracks.
Also, temperature, elevation, etc all play a big part in the times that people run!
Even the driver may not be launching the best or shifting fast enough in one car or the other!
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The 350Z is an ugly car.
If you were to get one I hope you don't get a white one,
or else you'd be driving in a friggin bar of soap.
Anyways,
Whatever rumors/horror stories you hear about the RX-8 are ALL MADE UP BY COMPETITORS LIKE NISSAN AND INFINITE.
People come up to me today and say that Mazda's engines and parts are no good.....
HELLO! RX-8 WON ENGINE OF THE YEAR HERE AND THERE AND EVERYWHERE. Not to mention all the Japanese competitions that put rotary back to life.
My Ford Escape has been back in the dealer's shop at least 4 or 5 times a year before hitting 23,000 miles while my Mazda Protege 5 is almost at 30,000 and has never even hinted at visiting the shop. Heck, I still don't even know which dealer my dad got the car from.
Get an RX-8. You can't go wrong.
If you were to get one I hope you don't get a white one,
or else you'd be driving in a friggin bar of soap.
Anyways,
Whatever rumors/horror stories you hear about the RX-8 are ALL MADE UP BY COMPETITORS LIKE NISSAN AND INFINITE.
People come up to me today and say that Mazda's engines and parts are no good.....
HELLO! RX-8 WON ENGINE OF THE YEAR HERE AND THERE AND EVERYWHERE. Not to mention all the Japanese competitions that put rotary back to life.
My Ford Escape has been back in the dealer's shop at least 4 or 5 times a year before hitting 23,000 miles while my Mazda Protege 5 is almost at 30,000 and has never even hinted at visiting the shop. Heck, I still don't even know which dealer my dad got the car from.
Get an RX-8. You can't go wrong.
12-27-2003, 03:51 AM
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Originally posted by SpYnalChRd81
The 350Z is an ugly car.
If you were to get one I hope you don't get a white one,
or else you'd be driving in a friggin bar of soap.
Anyways,
Whatever rumors/horror stories you hear about the RX-8 are ALL MADE UP BY COMPETITORS LIKE NISSAN AND INFINITE.
...
HELLO! RX-8 WON ENGINE OF THE YEAR HERE AND THERE AND EVERYWHERE. Not to mention all the Japanese competitions that put rotary back to life.
The 350Z is an ugly car.
If you were to get one I hope you don't get a white one,
or else you'd be driving in a friggin bar of soap.
Anyways,
Whatever rumors/horror stories you hear about the RX-8 are ALL MADE UP BY COMPETITORS LIKE NISSAN AND INFINITE.
...
HELLO! RX-8 WON ENGINE OF THE YEAR HERE AND THERE AND EVERYWHERE. Not to mention all the Japanese competitions that put rotary back to life.
As for rumors and all... err whatever. BTW, the Nissan VQ engine series have won Ward's Ten Best Engines award for 10 years straight. See http://ca.autos.yahoo.com/031212/11/vwrv.html along w/tons of other URLs.
12-27-2003, 04:02 AM
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Originally posted by zerobanger
The only thing more pathetic than reading this thread would be watching a 350PIG and Rx8 race in the 1/4 mile. 15.1, 14.7, 14.5, 14.0, whatever, its ALL SLOW.
Get over it.
The only thing more pathetic than reading this thread would be watching a 350PIG and Rx8 race in the 1/4 mile. 15.1, 14.7, 14.5, 14.0, whatever, its ALL SLOW.
Get over it.
But, it's fast compared to slow poke cars that run in the 17s or above. Even a guy running a low 15 has pretty handily beaten at guy running a mid 16.
12-27-2003, 04:13 AM
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Yet another wasted thread. They are two totally different cars.
If I wanted a roadster, I probably would have went s2k instead of the Z. Either way, every car discussed is a great car, and each one is a technological wonder. Cars just get better and better every years
I think that when people discuss threads like this, there is a lot of opinion mixed in with fact and a lot of BS, too!
Let's remember the original thread here. RX8 or 350Z. Keep it on track
I'll add to this. I have a racing friend that has a 350Z. He did bigger tires (mx's) on the track and I was on touring tires. He walked all over me Well, not really that bad! But it's a faster car out of the box, and it was upgraded.
He's one of my benchmarks, and with a few mods, and absolute driving, I know that I can take him on the track.
How rediculous is this thread? V6 2 seater vs. a 4 seat 1.3L?
Get what you want. If the Z suits you, then by all means go and buy it! I see posts all the time where people buy the 8 for the handling, smooth power delivery, and the fact that it has 4 seats that adults can enjoy (and some kiddies in their seats, too!).
Which one is the better car? It depends on what YOUR requirements are! I don't see people posting up what their requirements are in a car very much. You can say car X is better all day long. That's great. But WHY are you saying that car X is better? What are YOUR requirements?
If I wanted a roadster, I probably would have went s2k instead of the Z. Either way, every car discussed is a great car, and each one is a technological wonder. Cars just get better and better every years
I think that when people discuss threads like this, there is a lot of opinion mixed in with fact and a lot of BS, too!
Let's remember the original thread here. RX8 or 350Z. Keep it on track
I'll add to this. I have a racing friend that has a 350Z. He did bigger tires (mx's) on the track and I was on touring tires. He walked all over me
Well, not really that bad! But it's a faster car out of the box, and it was upgraded.He's one of my benchmarks, and with a few mods, and absolute driving, I know that I can take him on the track.
How rediculous is this thread? V6 2 seater vs. a 4 seat 1.3L?
Get what you want. If the Z suits you, then by all means go and buy it! I see posts all the time where people buy the 8 for the handling, smooth power delivery, and the fact that it has 4 seats that adults can enjoy (and some kiddies in their seats, too!).
Which one is the better car? It depends on what YOUR requirements are! I don't see people posting up what their requirements are in a car very much. You can say car X is better all day long. That's great. But WHY are you saying that car X is better? What are YOUR requirements?
12-27-2003, 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by cwerdna
I guess it's all relative. If the 350Z is such a "PIG", then I guess that's why it's faster in the 1/4 than the 8?
I guess it's all relative. If the 350Z is such a "PIG", then I guess that's why it's faster in the 1/4 than the 8?
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Sure, it's slow compared to Ferraris and Dodge Vipers which can run in the 12s stock and both are snails compared to say professional drag racers w/their top fuel cars that run in the mid 4s @ >300 mph which are nowhere near street legal nor driveable on public roads.
S2000 ( R & T got a 13.6 on the 04)
Any LS1 Car
NEON SRT
EVO
STI
bottom line, 14's, even 14.0 which is with a seriously good driver, just plain SUCKS.
But, it's fast compared to slow poke cars that run in the 17s or above. Even a guy running a low 15 has pretty handily beaten at guy running a mid 16.
12-27-2003, 01:02 PM
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I like the 8 'cause it is more practical for me than the 350Z.
And the the 350Z was missing something very important in my own eyes. To give a hint, my 2 favourite engines are V8's and rotaries. So the Z was not even considered because of my stubborn religous engine beliefs.
I'm glad LS1's were mentioned. My previous car was a LS1 powered beast, with 300+ rwHP. After I got the 8 I went to a private LS1 drag day with all my car buddies. I could not find one stock LS1 to race against! Of all the cars I raced, I beat them all to the 60' mark and beyond (1/3 - 1/2 track) before they hauled me in. (well all of them except for a few 11 & 12 second monsters!)
But I'm still smiling. There are so many other things to take into consideratio, such a handling and braking. And I am yet to do any traditional mods - exhaust/intake/tune.
Cheers,
Hymee.
And the the 350Z was missing something very important in my own eyes. To give a hint, my 2 favourite engines are V8's and rotaries. So the Z was not even considered because of my stubborn religous engine beliefs.
I'm glad LS1's were mentioned. My previous car was a LS1 powered beast, with 300+ rwHP. After I got the 8 I went to a private LS1 drag day with all my car buddies. I could not find one stock LS1 to race against! Of all the cars I raced, I beat them all to the 60' mark and beyond (1/3 - 1/2 track) before they hauled me in. (well all of them except for a few 11 & 12 second monsters!)
But I'm still smiling. There are so many other things to take into consideratio, such a handling and braking. And I am yet to do any traditional mods - exhaust/intake/tune.
Cheers,
Hymee.
12-27-2003, 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by zerobanger
bottom line, 14's, even 14.0 which is with a seriously good driver, just plain SUCKS.
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bottom line, 14's, even 14.0 which is with a seriously good driver, just plain SUCKS.
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Hey, I can go to the track anytime and run a low 11 1/4 mile. And that's slow!!! Oh wait, I'M getting of topic now, lol.
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Originally posted by zerobanger
Its a two seater sportscar thats slower than the car it replaced. Infact it will get smoked by any of the following cars that are 10-14 years older.
Rx-7 TT
supra TT
3000 GT VR4/Stealth
You dont have to goto dodge vipers to see how slow it is, you can compare to the older japanese cars listed above or even some of the current, let me elaborate.
S2000 ( R & T got a 13.6 on the 04)
Any LS1 Car
NEON SRT
EVO
STI
bottom line, 14's, even 14.0 which is with a seriously good driver, just plain SUCKS.
Its a two seater sportscar thats slower than the car it replaced. Infact it will get smoked by any of the following cars that are 10-14 years older.
Rx-7 TT
supra TT
3000 GT VR4/Stealth
You dont have to goto dodge vipers to see how slow it is, you can compare to the older japanese cars listed above or even some of the current, let me elaborate.
S2000 ( R & T got a 13.6 on the 04)
Any LS1 Car
NEON SRT
EVO
STI
bottom line, 14's, even 14.0 which is with a seriously good driver, just plain SUCKS.
The 03 S2000s were comparable in performance. The SRT-4 is a little slower than the 350Z but yeah it's a great value for the performance. Too bad Dodge reliability (esp. on the Neon) is crap. Yeah, the Evo and STi will smoke it hands down and I admit they are fantastic values.. But do you really wanna drive around a car that looks like an econobox w/a big ricer wing on it?
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Originally posted by cwerdna
Well, gee they don't make any of the first four cars you mention anymore. Hmmm.... Sports cars have a tend to not sell very well. As for the 350Z being slower than the car it replaced, definitely not the NA version. I'm not sure compared to the twin turbo 300ZX, but it should be close (don't have stats on me, the TT had more power but weighed a lot more). Keep in mind the big problem was that the 300ZX TT was >$40K (which is a LOT of $ back in 96) and moved beyond the realm of affordability. The 350Z is something that's a lot more affordable.
The 03 S2000s were comparable in performance. The SRT-4 is a little slower than the 350Z but yeah it's a great value for the performance. Too bad Dodge reliability (esp. on the Neon) is crap. Yeah, the Evo and STi will smoke it hands down and I admit they are fantastic values.. But do you really wanna drive around a car that looks like an econobox w/a big ricer wing on it?
Well, gee they don't make any of the first four cars you mention anymore. Hmmm.... Sports cars have a tend to not sell very well. As for the 350Z being slower than the car it replaced, definitely not the NA version. I'm not sure compared to the twin turbo 300ZX, but it should be close (don't have stats on me, the TT had more power but weighed a lot more). Keep in mind the big problem was that the 300ZX TT was >$40K (which is a LOT of $ back in 96) and moved beyond the realm of affordability. The 350Z is something that's a lot more affordable.
The 03 S2000s were comparable in performance. The SRT-4 is a little slower than the 350Z but yeah it's a great value for the performance. Too bad Dodge reliability (esp. on the Neon) is crap. Yeah, the Evo and STi will smoke it hands down and I admit they are fantastic values.. But do you really wanna drive around a car that looks like an econobox w/a big ricer wing on it?
Um, the 03 SRT was a bit faster than the 350Z and the 04 SRT has even more power.
12-28-2003, 12:30 AM
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Originally posted by zerobanger
Um, the 03 SRT was a bit faster than the 350Z and the 04 SRT has even more power.
Um, the 03 SRT was a bit faster than the 350Z and the 04 SRT has even more power.
How about an 04?
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Originally posted by cwerdna
What's the best 1/4 mile on an 03 stock SRT-4? I've seen C&D's figure is 14.1. I'm not saying their's is the gospel truth, but people have achieved better on stock 350Zs.
How about an 04?
What's the best 1/4 mile on an 03 stock SRT-4? I've seen C&D's figure is 14.1. I'm not saying their's is the gospel truth, but people have achieved better on stock 350Zs.
How about an 04?