Bigcat44

Yeah you are right, you know nothing about me but can tell that I don't know what i am talking about becuase I don't notice a straightline difference in accel between a 8 and a Z you are so right only well you couldn't be so more inherently wrong. The advertised hp on a Z is 287 hmm so lets figure more of 260 if that compared to a 238 yeah I should have noticed the night and day difference??? Yeah right First I made it clear that it was my opinion that I didn't notice a difference and you are entitled to have a difference of opinion but that doesn't mean that you have the correct one. Get a clue first and then try and apply it to something thats in your realm of control :D

Butt Dyno

Cicc's post was pretty rational, and yours is pretty incoherent...

-john

Jhouse

My Mazda dealership is right next door to my nissan dealership and i mean they are sharing the same lot. the day i bought my rx-8 it was parked right in front of the building and there was a ton of women gocking over the car along with quiet a few guys checking out the goods. it was sort of funny because here i am inside the building looking out as a ton of folks were going nuts over my car and i look over at the Nissan lot and there is 3 z's parked in plain view and not one person went over to check them out. Personally i love both cars but i am a sucker for the 8's styling and not to mention i don't feel like i need to wear a kidney belt when i drive it.

Silver01TA

hmmmm... after reading this...I think my girl should have gotten a Z :P

I dont mind the girls lookin at her ...but the boyz...no one looks at my babe

Bigcat44

as your is pretty irrelevant :o I never insulted any 350z owners nor did I say anything insulting to those that favor the Z car I simply said I did not feel a difference in power. Also explain to me your comment being "incoherent"?

renotse

Edmunds review says it all.

Edmunds review of Rx8 vs 350Z

rx-7~rx-8

IF you dont properly break-in the engine.... then it may cause some parts to mess up... if properly broken-in.. it WILL last LONG... i test drove it and ... its so quite...i drove the g35 as well... not the 350Z though ... but RX-8 is fast GO TO EDMUNDS THEY DID a review it will help you decide... rx-8 is better ...

zthang

Top Gear's Reivew in Sept 2003 says it all.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...5&pagenumber=1

Just showing how not every article written about any car is the absolute truth.

RX8-TX

Very true...everyone has different priorities. It's pointless to pick 'the better' car for anyone. So many things are involved that it's not even worth the time to make conjectures about it.

Ultimately its a very personal decission, where not only performance or looks are involved, but how the brand is perceived, etc...

I am going for a beer...later!

Ike

Well I'm convinced, I'm trading my WRX in tomorrow!

Sea Ray

It's gotta be true! I saw it right here on the internet! Al Gore invented it and he wouldn't let it lie

Ike

Thank god for Al Gore, who knows what car I would be driving if it weren't for him! I'd also like the thank Al Sharpton for no reason!

zthang

Well put! It's good to see smart car owners even on the internet. If we ever meet, ill buy ya a beer.

joejoe

For the car only being out for 5 months I find it had to belive that someone blew thier engine already......first off you have to break it in for at least 600 miles....even if you drove it off the lot redlining it you would have a damm hard time blowing the engine( it would run like crap in the future, but I don't think you would blow it). I guess it is possile to have a bad one but who cares it has a 48 month warrenty they would drop in a new engine or give you a new car.....

Talking the guy who sold me mine, he said they didn't even break in the demo model and that thing gets driven real hard!!!.....I know that for a fact . I just got mine but I have a friend who got his when they hit the lot in july. He drives like a freakin' maniac and he has had ZERO issues. But there was that one speeding ticket............

didn't like the Z but it does have great torque but doesn't handel that well and has a very harsh ride. If you want silky smooth excelleration and mind blowning handeling blunk down the dough for a 8. If you want that head slapping tourque and a ok ride get the Z.

joejoe

For the car only being out for 5 months I find it had to belive that someone blew thier engine already......first off you have to break it in for at least 600 miles....even if you drove it off the lot redlining it you would have a damm hard time blowing the engine( it would run like crap in the future, but I don't think you would blow it). I guess it is possile to have a bad one but who cares it has a 48 month warrenty they would drop in a new engine or give you a new car.....

Talking the guy who sold me mine, he said they didn't even break in the demo model and that thing gets driven real hard!!!.....I know that for a fact . I just got mine but I have a friend who got his when they hit the lot in july. He drives like a freakin' maniac and he has had ZERO issues. But there was that one speeding ticket............

didn't like the Z but it does have great torque but doesn't handel that well and has a very harsh ride. If you want silky smooth excelleration and mind blowning handeling blunk down the dough for a 8. If you want that head slapping tourque and a ok ride get the Z.

cwerdna

There are NOT 5 recalls on the 02 Maxima. There are up to 4 if you had a GLE (there was a small # of GLEs that had odometers that read in km instead of miles). If you had other trims, you could have up to 3. I just called Nissan North America, gave them my VIN, and they said my specific 02 Maxima GXE is NOT affected by the latest crankshift position sensor recall, so I've had 2 recalls so far. It is a bit annoying I admit since the 02 is the 3rd model year of that generation, whereas the 1st model year of that gen (2000) still has 0 recalls.

About the hp lawsuit, NO, that's not the issue. The issue is that Nissan claimed that the Maxima has 255 hp while the Altima has 240. There are claims that they produce the same amount of power at the wheels after driveline loss. I haven't seen the dyno charts of both as proof. I recall my stock 2K2 Max GXE auto dynoed at ~196 hp at the wheels (have to find printout), which is about right for automatic driveline losses. The 02+ Altima and 02-03 Max supposedly use the same automatiic transmission which takes another variable out.

Ike

Find it hard to believe all you like, there's pretty good evidence that 50-100 engines have been replaced in North America already.

Bigcat44

Lets see you are incorrect when you say there are 4 total, my car had the crank sensor, headlights, MAFS, Ignition coils, Sunroof noise and I can keep going if you would like. I had an SE and the reason for the difference in recalls even though they are the same generation is because Nissan classifies it's generations off of body styles and not engines. They changed from the VQ30 to the VQ35DE in 2k2 and then as you could tell changed body styles but kept the engine for 2k4. As for the HP issue how does this differ from Mazda or for that matter Hyundai? Both Mazda and Hyundai dealt with their issues of reporting false numbers (though apparently Mazda had the correct numbers but had to de-tune?) and paid people or took the cars back. Nissan has yet to do this.

OKINAWAN MAJIK

I have a 350z and i work at a mazda dealer.....so if you all want deals...let me know... i am pretty unbiased even though i have owned 4 z's before this one...the RX-8 is slow, ugly, back seat in a sports car..that really makes sence....and the mfg is buying them back by the truckloads because of false claims....my service guys hate the damn things..we are booked up for weeks fixing the things that we sold...as new....we sponser some auto cross events ..but end up fixing the damn things right after....trust me if you had to make a choice ...dump the RX-8 idea...Z all day...

my z gets hella more power....traction control sucks..but it is damn good in rain and slippery weather...more torque...roominess sucks...but its a sports car...has larger following...kits look better. more of them...better mods...tire issues but other than that....excellent car! mfg are not buying them back in droves like the mazda 8! over all the car stinks....ask out service techs.....they hate em!!! a car is a car to me..but the 8 is crap! sorry guys..just my opinion!

zerohour

I like the bee....... I mean Z too !!!!! Can i have a beer too!?

No but seriously I will be the first to admit both are extrememly good looking and although the Z is almost as plentiful as the RSX now (In the LA area) theres just something about the Brickyard red that is just stunning.

I am totally happy with my 8. I am not at the current time satisfied with the power but thats why theres canzomers stage II and being able to handle .91g on the skidpad is very nice as well.

About the girls thing I tend to get lots of compliments from the asian persuasion a lot. I have a girfriend of nearly 6 years tho so there goes that benefit hehe. I cant complain shes gettin me my racing beat rear sway for christmas tho so im a happy camper.

I might get my GF a Z or G35 though then help her a little so that we can go to speed trials together she loves racing and if i can let her have fun with a awsome car that she can abuse as a daily driver responsibly then im all for it.

The RX8 is a car that you must respect. You must change your oil id say every 3k miles and you must warm up your car in the morning to ensure that you dont screw something up or end up flooded like some users on this board. So if you are on a fast paced schedule and dont make the time for warm ups oil changes etc then you should go for the Z definately.

For me however I wouldnt my car for anything at all its just that good.

fstfd3spower

Well, i test drove Rx8 yesterday.. Jst as i expected.. pretty much like rx7.. Awesome interior..Awesome handling... I really liked it.
best part of the car was the sound of rotary engine at 9000 rpm.. and backseats.. they are really comfty....

Downside was lowend hp... other than that, it was very very nice car...

Dealer was asking $35000 for that car though.. yes it had nevigation and factory body kit.. but damn.. $35000?? How much you guys paid for your rx8???

I think i will get rx8 instead of 350.

boothguy

They're both excellent cars - the Z finished second in my case with the G35 coupe a distant third and the Crossfire two laps down.

If I forced myself to never look at the front end of the Z (shudder) and focused only on its qualities, I found it was too close to my '94 RX7 in terms of the physical packaging. I could transport a passenger, a loaf of bread and a couple of magazines andn that was about all. And I'd been struggling with that issue for a long time. Real world practicality creeps in there sooner or later.

As for performance, didja see that the UK show Top Gear ran both the Z and the 8 on the same track with the same driver, and they posted identical lap times? Good enough for me.

The 8 just spoke to me, which is incidentally why all the other manufacturers are still in business. Those brands, and the car models within them, "speak" to enough people globally every year that they're still around.

As a note, getting shrill about how your car is so great and someone else's is crap, you sort of betray your own lack of experience and a certain amount of immaturity.

350z Driver

I totally agree, I heard lots of nitemare storys of servicing the RX8's and the issues they are having unless they drive like a woman in it

FritzMan

Since I was in the same boat, I though I'd chip in. I really liked the RX-8 (still occasionally cruising this forum to see how thing are going), and I tried twice to buy one but was burnt by greedy dealerships.

I decided to test a 350 to take it off my list. I didn't care for the rear styling and the fact that there was only 2 seats in such a large car. In the flesh however, the 350 looks much better than the pics. I actually like it as much as the RX-8 now. The interior is IMO, nicer without the RX-8's piano finish and that circular accent on the dash (no flames please, I'm just being honest). The ride however, was that best part. The dealer let me honk on the thing and man was I impressed! I realized that although the RX-8 met my expectations, the 350Z is what I was really looking for. The engine is so flexible and lots of torque. The exhaust sound is great and the MPG is surprisingly good as well (averaging over ~ 22MPG city/highway with frequent redlines). Body control is flat, and the brakes are great. Best of all, it was a car that I could enjoy without feeling the need to modify it (RX-8 would have needed sway bars, exhaust for sound, and some power enhancers). The 350Z does have its faults; the rear space in the hatch is ridiculous with that strut bar, and it's still a 3200+ lbs car with only 2 seats.

My point is that if you're wondering what car to get, you need to realize what it is you're looking for. The 350Z definitely feels and performs like a brutish sports car (the ride is not that bad, but I found the RX-8 too soft). The RX-8 is better in having more than 2 seats, more comfortable for cruising, easier for controlling at the limit, smoother engine, and definitely lighter in curb weight which can be felt while driving (although that doesn't necessarily equate to better performance). I would recommend that you try all kinds of cars (STI), think about it, and be truthful about the pros and cons. Unfortunatley, each car will have cons and it's simply a matter of weighing them. Who knows, you might surprise yourself and switch "camps". I did.

After 6 year with a 12 second FD RX-7, I purchased a Brickyard 350Z a few weeks ago to restore that emotion of driving I lost when I sold the RX-7 years ago. Only the 350Z is quieter, safer, more comfortable, easier to drive, and better on gas. Once again I'm volunteering to my wife to go to the corner store and buy a paper and take the long way home. :D

Bigcat44

Hey Okinawan Majik,
Whats with the name? I only ask because I was there for 5 years so I wondered if you were still there and had the "hook up" on some things!