PSkull's rant thread about MS6 vs RX8
12-03-2004, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by IcemanVKO
Back to topic ...
Either car would be hard to improve with after market add ons.
Either car would be hard to improve with after market add ons.
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It rarely snows here in Birmingham, AL, so I'll likely not need the AWD, but I am curious as to how that will improve my wet weather and cornering.
AWD does handle better in wet as well but I don't really push it. I don't like the idea of wrecking my car or putting other people in danger just because I wanted to take a corner quickly in bad weather.
AWD also comes in handy when you need extreme acceleration from a stop. Situations like a left turn across a busy unprotected intersection. There's no need to worry about giving it too much gas and spining the wheels...just gas, clutch, and go. This is one of my favorite aspects of AWD.
On the downside, AWD can be very tough on a clutch or drivetrain. With big horsepower and unlimited traction, the stress of a quick start goes somewhere. For me, I never side step the clutch (as some other EVO owners do) but I do let the clutch out quick. This takes some of the shock off of the drivetrain but at the expense of a little clutch wear. When done properly there is very little clutch wear, when done improperly there is a lot of clutch wear. This is really the tricky side of AWD.
12-03-2004, 12:03 PM
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I won't bet on fast "easy" MS6 upgrades. They've been working for 2+ years to crack the 6's ECU...and are just "now" getting to the point where we might be able to get some sort of flasher. (In another 6-12 months).
Some companies have mentioned they would like to buy one for the purpose of doing various performance parts for it, but companies like to say stuff like that
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Of course being boosted means easier routes to power, especially considering the MPS uses the standard basic 6i exhaust lay out. With another 100 hp, the car will definitely be able to keep up with the competition! Just gotta watch out for the 94mm stroke of the engine...the rods are definitely the weakest part of the engine. Supposed to be using thick (different then standard 6i) rods, which should give it alot more elbow room to work with.
I just wish it didn't weigh 500lbs more then a standard 6i mtx
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Some companies have mentioned they would like to buy one for the purpose of doing various performance parts for it, but companies like to say stuff like that
.Of course being boosted means easier routes to power, especially considering the MPS uses the standard basic 6i exhaust lay out. With another 100 hp, the car will definitely be able to keep up with the competition! Just gotta watch out for the 94mm stroke of the engine...the rods are definitely the weakest part of the engine. Supposed to be using thick (different then standard 6i) rods, which should give it alot more elbow room to work with.
I just wish it didn't weigh 500lbs more then a standard 6i mtx
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12-03-2004, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Rotarian_SC
All I can say is when I see the MS 8 I will laugh. I will think back to this guy. He goes and buys a MS 6 because it was released two years after the 8 and was faster (somehow I doubt it will be much faster if it is), but then Mazda releases another car in two more years that is faster than his MS6. I can already see this coming on the 6 boards 
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12-03-2004, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by RX8-79
I sure hope this wasn't directed at me. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm (strongly considering) buying the M/S6 because I like what I see, not because it's faster than my 8. I'm past teenage years and have no short dick issues, ergo speed is way down on my list of priorities.
12-03-2004, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Rotarian_SC
No, I was referring to Pkskullz, but it holds true for anybody who would buy the MS6 after it came out because it was faster and they were upset Mazda made something faster than the RX8.
12-03-2004, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RX8-79
Gotcha. Wasn't sure, but that's kinda what I was thinking, since he seems a bit manic about having a fast car.
I also don't understand why Mazda waits 2 years to realease a version of the car they could build right now. Instead of giving us the choice between a tame version (the current 8) and a Turbo Charged version (MS Speed) now, the want us to buy the faster one later on. Essentially, they make two sales for the price of one. Just silly.
12-03-2004, 06:07 PM
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wow, so from what I've read this skull dude was "forced" to buy an RX8 and hates it? I just can't remember the last time I was "forced" to buy a 30,000 car, geez, must suck to be you 
I just don't understand this thread and similar threads, the car is amazing, if it sucked so bad why hasn't it been toast in all the comparos that were done with it? I'm not sure where but I know I saw a long time ago where someone on this board had listed all the "victories" the 8 had against other cars like the 350z etc. in all the comparisons. It even surviced the Top Gear Guy, did you see his review on the Crossfire? The guy is completely brutal and even he liked the 8, and if you have watched any of the past episodes where he didn't like something he wasn't shy about it. I really feel bad for people such as pk, if a car such as this does not make you happy (even just a little) then you have problems the size of which I cannot even begin to comprehend. I hope for your sake that whatever it is that has soured you so heavily is remedied quickly as it can't be healthy to walk around that frickin' miserable. 
I just don't understand this thread and similar threads, the car is amazing, if it sucked so bad why hasn't it been toast in all the comparos that were done with it? I'm not sure where but I know I saw a long time ago where someone on this board had listed all the "victories" the 8 had against other cars like the 350z etc. in all the comparisons. It even surviced the Top Gear Guy, did you see his review on the Crossfire? The guy is completely brutal and even he liked the 8, and if you have watched any of the past episodes where he didn't like something he wasn't shy about it. I really feel bad for people such as pk, if a car such as this does not make you happy (even just a little) then you have problems the size of which I cannot even begin to comprehend. I hope for your sake that whatever it is that has soured you so heavily is remedied quickly as it can't be healthy to walk around that frickin' miserable.
12-03-2004, 07:36 PM
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Mazda has stated before they are about weight, not HP. They have never made the fastest cars on the block, just tried to make the lightest and best handling in every model. The 3rd gen RX-7 had less HP than all of its competitors, but weighed a lot less making it a much more enjoyable car to drive in my opinion.
Why did Mazda make the RX-8 naturally aspirated? Most important was probably because it is better for racing. It fits in better with the "total package" sports car you keep talking about.
You keep whining about how slow the RX-8 is and how hard to launch it is, well you can't expect a car with IRS and low torque to accelerate fast in the low RPMS. Higher torque at low RPMS means higher HP at those RPMs which means faster acceleration at those RPMs. The thing is these cars start dropping off torque around 4000-5000RPM maybe this is what you are used to driving. The RX-8 has pretty strong torque all the way up to 9000RPM. If you are making 140 lb ft of torque at 3000RPM thats 80HP, same at 5000RPM is 133HP, if your shifting at 7000RPM thats 186HP, and at 9000RPM thats 240HP.
HP is a measurement of power over time whereas torque is a measurement of force. If you are racing the RX-8 against say a car with say 240 torque and he is going from 3000RPM to 6000RPM thats 137HP at 3000RPM 228HP at 5000RPM and 274HP @ 6000RPM. So he is making from 137HP to 274HP from 3000-6000RPM. With the RX-8 3000RPM would be 80HP 5000RPM would be 133HP and 160HP at 6000RPM.
So if you are both staying around the same power range 3000-6000RPM the RX-8 is using between 80-160HP and the other car is using between 137HP and 274HP. Given both cars are around the same weight etc. which do you think will accelerate faster??
Now compare the RX-8 going from 6000RPM making 160HP to 7500RPM is 200HP and 240HP at 9000RPM. If you are accelerating at full throttle in the RX-8 and you shift around 9000RPM you should be around 5500-6000RPM in the next gear etc so you are always in your power band. Dont you think 160-240HP is quite a difference in acceleration than 80-160? This is why the RX-8 in naturally aspirated form will never be a fast car off the line unless you are launching it to where you are already at 4000 or 5000RPM , and why it seems liek you have to drive it hard to go fast, because your HP is in the higher RPMS.
Why did Mazda make the RX-8 naturally aspirated? Most important was probably because it is better for racing. It fits in better with the "total package" sports car you keep talking about.
You keep whining about how slow the RX-8 is and how hard to launch it is, well you can't expect a car with IRS and low torque to accelerate fast in the low RPMS. Higher torque at low RPMS means higher HP at those RPMs which means faster acceleration at those RPMs. The thing is these cars start dropping off torque around 4000-5000RPM maybe this is what you are used to driving. The RX-8 has pretty strong torque all the way up to 9000RPM. If you are making 140 lb ft of torque at 3000RPM thats 80HP, same at 5000RPM is 133HP, if your shifting at 7000RPM thats 186HP, and at 9000RPM thats 240HP.
HP is a measurement of power over time whereas torque is a measurement of force. If you are racing the RX-8 against say a car with say 240 torque and he is going from 3000RPM to 6000RPM thats 137HP at 3000RPM 228HP at 5000RPM and 274HP @ 6000RPM. So he is making from 137HP to 274HP from 3000-6000RPM. With the RX-8 3000RPM would be 80HP 5000RPM would be 133HP and 160HP at 6000RPM.
So if you are both staying around the same power range 3000-6000RPM the RX-8 is using between 80-160HP and the other car is using between 137HP and 274HP. Given both cars are around the same weight etc. which do you think will accelerate faster??
Now compare the RX-8 going from 6000RPM making 160HP to 7500RPM is 200HP and 240HP at 9000RPM. If you are accelerating at full throttle in the RX-8 and you shift around 9000RPM you should be around 5500-6000RPM in the next gear etc so you are always in your power band. Dont you think 160-240HP is quite a difference in acceleration than 80-160? This is why the RX-8 in naturally aspirated form will never be a fast car off the line unless you are launching it to where you are already at 4000 or 5000RPM , and why it seems liek you have to drive it hard to go fast, because your HP is in the higher RPMS.
12-03-2004, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Pkskull77
I'm hardly manic about having a fast car, I'm simply confused about Mazda's reasoning for releasing a Sedan that's faster than their Sports Car. Just doesn't make sense to me.
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I also don't understand why Mazda waits 2 years to realease a version of the car they could build right now.
Originally Posted by Pkskull77
Instead of giving us the choice between a tame version (the current 8) and a Turbo Charged version (MS Speed) now, the want us to buy the faster one later on. Essentially, they make two sales for the price of one. Just silly.
12-03-2004, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by shigginsrx8
I hate to say it, but I think you bought the wrong car. If what you are worried about is getting "dusted" in drag races then you should get something different. I am fairly confident that if you took your car to a track you could at least keep up with these other sports cars provided equal drivers, and for sure beat the 6.
12-03-2004, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Pkskull77
I also don't understand why Mazda waits 2 years to realease a version of the car they could build right now. Instead of giving us the choice between a tame version (the current 8) and a Turbo Charged version (MS Speed) now, the want us to buy the faster one later on. Essentially, they make two sales for the price of one. Just silly.
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12-04-2004, 01:03 AM
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All of you make valid points, and for the most part I agree, however I do have a couple points of contention:
- Please stop telling me that the car will only go fast if you keep the RPM’s high. I understand that the RPM’s must be kept high to keep the Rensis in it’s sweet spot. People keep reiterating this point, responding to my statement that “LAUNCHING THE CAR AT 7,000 RPM’s IS OUT OF THE QUESTION!” I never said that you couldn’t shift the car at the higher RPM’s; I do that all the time. I did say that shifting at higher RPM’s is more likely to wear your clutch.
- I understand Mazda is a business and as such they are entitled to make a profit, but I don’t have to like the fact that they are doing it at my expense. Furthermore, you can’t possibly believe that Mazda didn’t experiment with FI when they were designing the RX8! Mazda has know for quite some time exactly what system works best with the 8, and I would be willing to bet that there were working versions of the 8 running FI when the model we have was released. The investment Mazda put into the 8 was huge and as such they likely had designed and built several version of the car before deciding the one that best fit their product line. Can I prove any of what I said, no, but don't doubt it for a second.
- I, like a lot of people who own an RX-8 don’t really care about how the car drives on a track, that’s not where I drive it. I understand that the 8 handles its self well on a road course, and I find that impressive. However, I have also seen an 8 get eaten up on a track when it came out of the turns, and onto the straits (There’s a video of it floating around here somewhere). In any case, I can’t use most of the performance an 8 offers on the road. I can’t go around a turn at 50, and kick out the backend. Top End is useless, because I can’t drive 140 mph. I do however accelerate frequently, and the car is not good at that.
I know what’s coming, dragging your car is just as illegal as any of the activities you mention above, and you’re right. However, there's a catch. If I end up first at a traffic light, and the person next to me wants to give it a quick run, I can do so without breaking any laws. If I don’t light up the wheels and stop accelerating when I hit the posted speed there’s not much a cop can do. In my previous examples there are no legal ways to perform them on the street. I would never do this in front of a cop, but this happens a million times a day without incident. If you’re the type who goes looking for races, and tries to win them at any cost, that’s a different story. Everyone on this forum has gone light to light, if you haven’t then there is something wrong with you.
- I knew the concept behind the 8 when I bought it, and I was well aware of the numbers that were associated with the car. But the experience on a test drive and through the words of an article never adequately described the cars lack of power. I have already admitted this was a mistake on my part, and I only brought it up in this thread to demonstrate the difference between the 8 and the MS6. I also realize that the 8 is a better sports car, but for the time being the MS6 is a faster car off the line, and I find this disturbing. I can wait a couple of years and buy an MS 8, or I can go aftermarket on mine when it comes out of warranty, but that doesn’t make me feel any better now. AND NO I CAN’T JUST RUN OUT AND BUY ANOTHER CAR, I’m stuck with the 8, and I will try and make the best of it. I'm just using this forum to vent my frustrations.
- Finally, allow me to comment on the “unwritten prohibition” of bashing the 8. I know this forum is primarily comprised of people who own the RX-8. I can understand wanting to keep the forum positive, the site wasn’t created to bash our car. This concept is something that I can respect. However, it is silly to flame someone who legitimately wants to talk about the 8’s problems. If I'm bashing please feel free to go point for point with me on the issue, but don’t turn it into a personal thing. This is all about the exchange of ideas, not about censorship in an effort to make the 8 seem like a flawless car.
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12-04-2004, 05:27 AM
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Hey PK, after reading your posts I can understand where your fustration comes from. You probably bought the wrong car that doesnt suit your needs- and that sucks big time cos its such a big investment.
The 8 is a great car, but like every car it has its flaws. Instead of getting so upset, why not try to focus on the good points of the car and make full use of the next 4 years instead of getting so fustrated. Learn to drive a stick well in the meantime too, cos its a valuable skill u cld use for your future rides cheer up
The 8 is a great car, but like every car it has its flaws. Instead of getting so upset, why not try to focus on the good points of the car and make full use of the next 4 years instead of getting so fustrated. Learn to drive a stick well in the meantime too, cos its a valuable skill u cld use for your future rides
cheer up
12-04-2004, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Pkskull77
If I end up first at a traffic light, and the person next to me wants to give it a quick run, I can do so without breaking any laws. If I don’t light up the wheels and stop accelerating when I hit the posted speed there’s not much a cop can do.
Finally, allow me to comment on the “unwritten prohibition” of bashing the 8. I know this forum is primarily comprised of people who own the RX-8. I can understand wanting to keep the forum positive, the site wasn’t created to bash our car. This concept is something that I can respect. However, it is silly to flame someone who legitimately wants to talk about the 8’s problems.
), all of which were your fault, not someone elses.
12-04-2004, 09:02 AM
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even gingerly accelerating im faster than 90% of cars out there in general traffic, i have no idea why anyone considers this car slow(unless you compare it only with sports cars, although i havent heard many call a porsche boxter slow, and the 8 is faster than a boxter)...if you are talking about on the streets this car accelerates plenty well, and pskull you say you only drive on the streets and that you never race, so frankly the acceleration should be enough how much more do you need?
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PK, I can't say that I don't understand where you are comming from. And having not yet purchased my RX8, I appreciate your comments as it does weight on my decision.
I too want to have a car that can move, having that punch, both impresses your passengers and makes you feel good about your purchase, even if you don't use it to race others.
The Mazda 6 sells for 22-23 fully loaded. I just spoke with the salesman, and the MS6 will be 26-27. So basically you get a 6 + Turbo, and Suspension for 5 or 6 grand more.
It will cost a tad more than the 8 I plan to buy.
Now, if those were the only choices, the 8 would still in my book be even with the MS6, because of how much better it handles, and how much better it looks.
Yet there is another option. Put a Turbo in your RX8, and problem solved. The Turbo's for the RX8 will be out before the MS6. It will cost about 4-5k, and give you alot more power than the MS6. An RX8 with 300 BHP, will pretty much own anything stock on the road, except maybe a Viper, and it would give a Viper a heck of a run for its money.
Now you say Hey WAIT! I already bought a Car, why would I spend another 5k on it? Well if Mazda, had put the Turbo in the car, it would have cost another 4-5k, and wouldn't have near the 300BHP that the aftermarket turbos are targetting.
I too want to have a car that can move, having that punch, both impresses your passengers and makes you feel good about your purchase, even if you don't use it to race others.
The Mazda 6 sells for 22-23 fully loaded. I just spoke with the salesman, and the MS6 will be 26-27. So basically you get a 6 + Turbo, and Suspension for 5 or 6 grand more.
It will cost a tad more than the 8 I plan to buy.
Now, if those were the only choices, the 8 would still in my book be even with the MS6, because of how much better it handles, and how much better it looks.
Yet there is another option. Put a Turbo in your RX8, and problem solved. The Turbo's for the RX8 will be out before the MS6. It will cost about 4-5k, and give you alot more power than the MS6. An RX8 with 300 BHP, will pretty much own anything stock on the road, except maybe a Viper, and it would give a Viper a heck of a run for its money.
Now you say Hey WAIT! I already bought a Car, why would I spend another 5k on it? Well if Mazda, had put the Turbo in the car, it would have cost another 4-5k, and wouldn't have near the 300BHP that the aftermarket turbos are targetting.
12-04-2004, 09:41 AM
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They can give you a ticket for anything. In your example, you would get a ticket for ' exhibition of speed'
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Originally Posted by IcemanVKO
PK, I can't say that I don't understand where you are comming from. And having not yet purchased my RX8, I appreciate your comments as it does weight on my decision.
I too want to have a car that can move, having that punch, both impresses your passengers and makes you feel good about your purchase, even if you don't use it to race others.
The Mazda 6 sells for 22-23 fully loaded. I just spoke with the salesman, and the MS6 will be 26-27. So basically you get a 6 + Turbo, and Suspension for 5 or 6 grand more.
It will cost a tad more than the 8 I plan to buy.
Now, if those were the only choices, the 8 would still in my book be even with the MS6, because of how much better it handles, and how much better it looks.
Yet there is another option. Put a Turbo in your RX8, and problem solved. The Turbo's for the RX8 will be out before the MS6. It will cost about 4-5k, and give you alot more power than the MS6. An RX8 with 300 BHP, will pretty much own anything stock on the road, except maybe a Viper, and it would give a Viper a heck of a run for its money.
Now you say Hey WAIT! I already bought a Car, why would I spend another 5k on it? Well if Mazda, had put the Turbo in the car, it would have cost another 4-5k, and wouldn't have near the 300BHP that the aftermarket turbos are targetting.
I too want to have a car that can move, having that punch, both impresses your passengers and makes you feel good about your purchase, even if you don't use it to race others.
The Mazda 6 sells for 22-23 fully loaded. I just spoke with the salesman, and the MS6 will be 26-27. So basically you get a 6 + Turbo, and Suspension for 5 or 6 grand more.
It will cost a tad more than the 8 I plan to buy.
Now, if those were the only choices, the 8 would still in my book be even with the MS6, because of how much better it handles, and how much better it looks.
Yet there is another option. Put a Turbo in your RX8, and problem solved. The Turbo's for the RX8 will be out before the MS6. It will cost about 4-5k, and give you alot more power than the MS6. An RX8 with 300 BHP, will pretty much own anything stock on the road, except maybe a Viper, and it would give a Viper a heck of a run for its money.
Now you say Hey WAIT! I already bought a Car, why would I spend another 5k on it? Well if Mazda, had put the Turbo in the car, it would have cost another 4-5k, and wouldn't have near the 300BHP that the aftermarket turbos are targetting.
Very valid points, but I'm not interested in modding my car until the warranty is up. If you FI that car every bit of the powertrain warranty is gone. Thats especially troubling considering the unproven track record of the Rensis. It would be though to pay for a new engine when the problem was something that was happening to all 8's, and being replaced under the warranty. Also, to me adding an aftermarket turbo kit cheapens the thrill. It makes me feel like a ricer.
However, if you can afford to blow your engine, and have the money for a Turbo kit, then go for it. You sure would suprise a ton of knowlegable drivers when you blew by their car. Good luck with your purchase. Just do yourself a favor and test drive the car for a long time. Try flogging it, and if the salesman says anything don't be afraid to tell him to chill out.
12-04-2004, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by MazdaspeedFeras
even gingerly accelerating im faster than 90% of cars out there in general traffic, i have no idea why anyone considers this car slow(unless you compare it only with sports cars, although i havent heard many call a porsche boxter slow, and the 8 is faster than a boxter)...if you are talking about on the streets this car accelerates plenty well, and pskull you say you only drive on the streets and that you never race, so frankly the acceleration should be enough how much more do you need?
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According to your profile, you are not 16 years old. So why do you care so much about driving in a straight line? The curves are where it's at. The reason why you are not enjoying your car is because you are not trying to. Keep practicing your shift technique and learn how to corner. Maybe someday you'll beat those SUVs you are having trouble with.
12-06-2004, 06:01 PM
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According to your profile, you are not 16 years old. So why do you care so much about driving in a straight line? The curves are where it's at. The reason why you are not enjoying your car is because you are not trying to. Keep practicing your shift technique and learn how to corner. Maybe someday you'll beat those SUVs you are having trouble with.
12-06-2004, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Pkskull77
My argument has very little to do with other car brands, quite frankly I have learned to deal with the fact that the 8 is not a fast car. What bothers me is making the 6 faster than the 8? Modern car companies generally follow a formula in determining the performance, and pricing of their cars. Following that logic, you don’t build an economy car, and make it faster than your sports car. Now that the MS 6 will be the big kid on the block, who the heck is going to buy the 8? What does the 8 offer that the 6 doesn’t? Be honest if the MS 6 was out when you were buying your 8 which would you have purchased? The 6 could spell the end of the 8, making my car a failure, eliminating access to cheap aftermarket parts.
As for some of the other comments:
• There is nothing wrong with my head; I know a lot of 8 owners feel like I do. I fail to see the relationship between my disappointment and mental illness.
• Obviously I understand that my car will never be the fastest, but when you pay 31,000 for a sports car, you expect the acceleration to be proportional. There is no arguing the fact that the 8 is slow in proportion to similarly priced cars. Many will point out that 0-60 in 6 is not that bad, but that 6 second time is a pipe dream. In order to get your car moving that fast, you need to beat it into the ground. Try getting that 6 second time, with catching a whiff of your clutch going up in smoke.
• The SRT-4 is a Neon, I don’t care how much HP you put in it, that’s all it will ever be. I could never bring myself to purchase a Neon, so that car never crossed my mind. As for the performance, I can’t argue with that. It is a bit disturbing that they can get so much out of a Neon, but so little out of the 8.
• Why go with Mazda? It was in my price range, and after reading all the reviews of the 8, I thought it was the best decision. After owning the 8 for two months I find it hard to believe that so many critics loved this car. Aside from the handling, which in my opinion is useless on the streets, the car is far from extraordinary. In retrospect I think they were rewarding the 8 for being different, not for being better. In reality different is only better when it is associated with performance gains. Nothing about the 8’s differences give it any substantial performance gains (excluding the handling). The rear seat, and rear doors are a freaking joke. The rotary engine does rev high, but it really doesn’t deliver any associated performance improvements.
I know I sound like a bitter 8 owner, and quite frankly I am. This car has been nothing but a headache for me. To begin it’s not what I expected; I don’t think the car is fun to drive, nor is it efficient. Reliability has been the pits, I have spent several weekends getting it fixed. Flashes, Flooding Engines, and CEL’s. I have owned several cars, that cost far less than the 8, and none of them have given me so many issues. I just feel cheated. Throw in this whole MS 6 thing, and it just makes my blood boil.
As for some of the other comments:
• There is nothing wrong with my head; I know a lot of 8 owners feel like I do. I fail to see the relationship between my disappointment and mental illness.
• Obviously I understand that my car will never be the fastest, but when you pay 31,000 for a sports car, you expect the acceleration to be proportional. There is no arguing the fact that the 8 is slow in proportion to similarly priced cars. Many will point out that 0-60 in 6 is not that bad, but that 6 second time is a pipe dream. In order to get your car moving that fast, you need to beat it into the ground. Try getting that 6 second time, with catching a whiff of your clutch going up in smoke.
• The SRT-4 is a Neon, I don’t care how much HP you put in it, that’s all it will ever be. I could never bring myself to purchase a Neon, so that car never crossed my mind. As for the performance, I can’t argue with that. It is a bit disturbing that they can get so much out of a Neon, but so little out of the 8.
• Why go with Mazda? It was in my price range, and after reading all the reviews of the 8, I thought it was the best decision. After owning the 8 for two months I find it hard to believe that so many critics loved this car. Aside from the handling, which in my opinion is useless on the streets, the car is far from extraordinary. In retrospect I think they were rewarding the 8 for being different, not for being better. In reality different is only better when it is associated with performance gains. Nothing about the 8’s differences give it any substantial performance gains (excluding the handling). The rear seat, and rear doors are a freaking joke. The rotary engine does rev high, but it really doesn’t deliver any associated performance improvements.
I know I sound like a bitter 8 owner, and quite frankly I am. This car has been nothing but a headache for me. To begin it’s not what I expected; I don’t think the car is fun to drive, nor is it efficient. Reliability has been the pits, I have spent several weekends getting it fixed. Flashes, Flooding Engines, and CEL’s. I have owned several cars, that cost far less than the 8, and none of them have given me so many issues. I just feel cheated. Throw in this whole MS 6 thing, and it just makes my blood boil.
~You do bring up some good points, but your complaining to the wrong people...If you feel like you've been cheated so bad, then why don't you try telling mazda all this and see what they say. But you can't honestly believe that mazda is gonna just tune the protege, miata ,6 , and 3 and not their "flagship" car...just be patient, we all know it's comeing...the question is when?
PS. are they planning to mazdaspeed the 3 next? or the 8? I'll be really pissed off if the 3 is next, we'll be waiting 5 years before the ms8 is out in that case.
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PS. are they planning to mazdaspeed the 3 next? or the 8? I'll be really pissed off if the 3 is next, we'll be waiting 5 years before the ms8 is out in that case.
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