Pkskull77

I hate the SRT-4! The car is impressive, but it's not the whole package. To me the most frustrating part of the RX-8 is how very close they came to putting together the entire package. I don't understand why they left the horsepower out. I am pretty sure that any aspiration they add in the future was concocted prior to the RX-8 release. You know that they experiment with different types of aspiration on the engine. Why did they hold back? The only answer is to screw people, tease them the first time, and deliver the second time.

mysql101

They didn't leave the HP out. The engine in the rx-8 is better than the previous rotaries. Look at how much hp it puts out compared to previous rotaries. Look at the gas consumption. You can't even claim that mazda held back - look at the aftermarket gains for the rx-8 when it comes to intake, exhaust, etc. Very little can be gained because of how well the rx-8 was tuned from the factory.

It's true the RX-8 isn't turbocharged, but they don't come out with a turbo version of the car in the first year.

Regardless of what you're complaining about with the rx-8, none of what you describe should be news to you since you test drove it before hand, and did your research.

I really think it's your ability to drive stick that lacks, not the car.

Pkskull77

To some extent my stick skills are lacking, I can't argue with you there. I am just frustrated with the fact that Mazda screws you by releasing a turbo version 2-3 years after the initial release. You know they had the tech to do it in 2003. Any time you see a MS Speed mock up the thing is Turbo Charged, where do you think they got the know how to do that? I shouldn’t have to buy two cars to get the one I wanted; it should have been a choice from the start. This issue is they wanted to make the extra cahs

Mazda, like me, is clearly concerned with the HP, that’s part of the reason behind the HP debacle when the car was first released. They say it was an accident, I think they were trying to get away with one. They believed that no one would be able to test it, so they gave it a try.

momo stereo

I OWN A 2004 RX-8..........AND THEIR ISN'T ANYONE ON THIS BOARD THAT CAN TELL ME THAT THEY ARE TRULY 100% HAPPY WITH THE FACT THAT THEY SPENT 25,000-35,000 ON A CAR THAT A SRT-4 CAN SPANK.....AND LETS NOT LIE THEY CAN....MODS INCLUDED(MOD FOR MOD OF COURSE).....THAT IS WHY THIS IS SUCH A HEATED DISCUSSION....IF THIS WASN'T A PROBLEM THIS THREAD WOULDN'T ALREADY HAVE 7 PAGES IN ONE DAY!!!!!WE CAN SIT HERE ALL DAY AND SAY IT HANDLES THIS AND HANDLES THAT!!!!!WHO CARES WHEN A KID IN A STOCK NEON WAXES YOU #$$ OFF THE LINE!!!!I HAVE DRIVEN MY RX-8 TO ITS MAX STOCK POTENTIAL AND I HAVE ALSO DRIVEN A BONE STOCK SRT-4....(YES IT IS CHEAPER AS FAR AS INTERIOR AN EXTERIOR LOOKS.....BUT IT PULLED HARDER...ALOT HARDER.....)LETS STOP BITCHING ABOUT THIS TO EACH OTHER AND START BITCHING TO MAZDA!!!!THEY OWE US.....BIG......I DONT KNOW ABOUT YOU BUT I WANT POWER FOR $450.00 A MONTH......AND I CAN ASSURE THAT A HEAVY CAR STILL PULLS HARDER WHEN IT HAS 40 MORE HORSEPOWER AND MORE TORQUE ....ESPECIALLY WITH FORCED INDUCTION.....

AND SOME OF YOU THAT SAY THIS CAR IS NOT AN STI OR EVO KILLER!!!STOP CRYING !!!!!JUST MAD THAT YOU KNOW SOME OLD LADY IS GOING TO LIKE THIS NEW CARE, BUY IT, AND WAX YOU STOCK EVEN WITH ALL YOUR BOLT ON MODS....


I ASK YOU .....................GROCERY GETTER.......OR........RX-8 KILLER!!!!

I KNOW THIS SHOULD GET SOME GOOD REPOSTS.....HAVE FUN!!!!

mysql101

You are right about one thing - they did intentionally release a NA version of the car, while having plans to release a faster version down the road. The reason for this is because they can then see how the car performs, and locate any problems that might be problematic with a higher output motor.

But this goes with any car maker. Each year they tend to put out a better, faster, nicer looking version than the previous year. It's not about screwing *you*, it's about producing a better product. Same goes for software, computers, etc.

mysql101

Not sure if this is going to get you any good replies, as you've only restated what others have said, albeit in CAPS.

The SRT-4 was out when you bought your RX-8. If you wanted a neon, why didn't you get one? I don't understand where you are coming from.

BoxerGT2.5

Jesus....Makes ya wonder what the hell people think about when they test drive a car.

Pkskull77

The SRT-4 point really touches a nerve. We all bought sports cars, and implicit with that is generally a desire to drive them to their limits. We want to accelerate fast, corner quickly, stop on a dime, and hit the top end. We spent a lot of money to get the 8, and to some extent we did so blindly. Aside from some articles are only impressions of the vehicle came from a test drive, an impressions which is generally too short to really get a feel for the car. Some of you even bought the car thinking it had more horsepower than it does. With that in mind, I know every one of you has gotten beaten by something that pissed you off. Whether it be a Neon, a Zed, or some riced out Honda.

At that very minute you thought to yourself WTF? You questioned your decision and perhaps doubted all the hype that surrounded this car. I know no one promised the car would be a rocket, but it was supposed to be solid. In my opinion, solid is not getting lit up by a Neon.

I can’t argue with the need for a progression to turbo, but this is not the 50’s, computer models can help work out many of the bugs that only time would revel in the past. The fact of the matter is that a modern sports car must first be quick, then be nimble. American culture has bred this desire for big HP, and fast acceleration. On that point Mazda missed the target. I can only assume that is why I am frustrated.

Every time someone has been interested in my car they ask “is it quick?” I usually start by saying no, not really. Then I begin to explain how well it handles, and at that very moment I see their eyes glaze over. Most people don’t care about that in a car. I think most 8 owners do, but not because it was initially important, but because that’s all we have to grab onto.

mysql101

Most kids just want to accelerate quickly. They don't care about brakes, cornering or even styling of the car. Just look at the competition - most of them are updated econo boxes.


No one asks me if my car is quick, but I frequently get asked if it's fast.

For $30,000, you could have bought a honda accord and riced it out to the max. If I bought your rx-8 from you for exactly what you paid for it, would you WANT to get the riced out honda? Would you WANT to get a souped up neon?

computer models don't tell you everything you need to know. case in point: the robots that apply the greese to the back of the defrost buttons in the earlier rx-8s put on too much, causing that button to crack several months down the road. How could they have predicted that? The renesis isn't 100% brand new, but they made enough changes to warrent some time to design and build the higher end version. Remember they don't get to say "woops, we didn't know it would blow up after 4,000 miles", they have to make sure it's functional.

BoxerGT2.5

Regardless of car...there will always be someone faster. There are Ford Pinto's out there faster than the 8. Big deal! The disappointment of the 8's power is a sore spot for alot of folk. But most knew that when they bought the car. Looking at the HP and TQ numbers they knew that. Yes....it looks fast. Even my wife thought I was full of crap when I told her my GT was faster than the 8 (I had to race her to prove it). You have a very nice looking car both in and out....appreciate it. You simply picked the wrong car if straight line speed is what your lookin for. You could have bought an 04 STI for 28K.

Pkskull77

I had no desire to rice a car out. I will not be adding aftermarket parts or the like, just not my back of tricks. You're right there are always some things that can't be worked out in the models but I can almost gaurantee you that the Rensis motor has been tested just as extenisvely with aspiration as without. I'm not really up on Rotary performance but if I'm not mistaken weren't most of the previous incantations FI'd?

BoxerGT2.5

Yes...some of the Rx-7's were turbocharged. But the point of the renesis was to beable to make the power without the TC and save on gas milage (no wise cracks... )

As far as testing the renesis with FI, I highly doubt they have. Of all the tuners I have spoken with in my area, the renesis scares them and few want to touch it. Reason being, it is a redesigned motor, the max PSI may be 7, they feel that there will be alot of blown motors when people try and add FI and then start in with the ECU management and/or MBC/EBC. So no...I don't think mazda tested it with a TC.

Pkskull77

I find that hard to believe considering all the hype you hear about Mazda's show cars. I know these things aren't full producition street machines, but I find it unlikely that they would take the time to show one if they couldn't produce it.

Additonally, when you go to market with a car you test everything from Turbo to Super. They probably found something that they didn't like and decided to stay away from the Turbo till they were pressed to make a faster 8. They better come up with something quick or the 8 will go the way of the 7. I just don't see a whole lot of people buying the 8 once the MS 6 hits the streets. I don't know if I would have bought this car, but if I was forced to get a Mazda and I had to choose between the 8 and the MS 6 the decision would be fairly simple.

RX8-TX

Subaru Legacy GT?

truemagellen

Obviously you are obsessed with the Pre-Mature Ejaculative state only torque and torque is all that matters...so you can hop light to light, beating the little teenage snot that pulls up next to you

RX8-79

I said 'complete package' meaning it can stop and corner as well as it can accelerate, has luxury features/conveniences, and is fun to drive. The Legacy, in my book, lacks all those.

It's fast, but it can't handle as well as a regular 6, let alone the M/S. It's right at or over $30k for the GT, but doesn't even offer HID, NAV, one-touch up/dwn windows, or keyless start, all of which the M/S will have. Nice car to look at, but not for me.

RX8-79

Stop speaking for all 8 owners, will you? Not everyone has short dick syndrome or needs to be the fastest in order to feel like something special. I bought this car knowing damn well what I was getting and knowing it was what I wanted. And no, not every one of us has been beaten by something that pissed us off, because some of us are adults and act like it; we've outgrown street racing.

If you spent as much time behind the wheel learning how to drive your car as you do here bitching about how much you hate it, maybe you'd finally learn how to drive it properly.

mysql101

The 7 died due to pricing. Mazda thought they would price the RX-7 low, get a lot of people interested in it, then raise the price. Unfortunately it had the opposite effect, people asked themselves why would they spend 40 grand on a 30 thousand dollar car.

The RX-8 is priced to sell. While the RX-8 has some of the same features as the MS6 (like 4 doors), it really isn't in the same category and if you are looking at apples to apples, it also has no competitors. Mazda has not created an RX-8 killer with the MS6.

DreRX8

THis thread has really shown me that there are some really dense people out there when it comes to buying a car. Nobody forced any of these idiots to buy the car--what happened to the whole buying process (test drive, comparison shopping, and all)? Compared to the previous generation of japanese sports cars the RX8, G35, and 350Z are a couple of steps behind anyway. One of these clowns was talkin about for $450 a month blah blah blah--you knew the specs on the RX8 before you bought it so what are you bitching about? Common sense isn't so common I see. bur back on topic--the Mazdaspeed 6 kicks ***.

Pkskull77

I find it extremely offensive that so many people degrade you for wanting a car that’s fast off the line. I don’t understand what’s so bad about that. Nor do I see the comparison between small dicks, and premature ejaculation. I can assure you I have a problem with these issues, but at the same time I do dislike the 8’s acceleration. With the way you get treated bring this topic up you would think I just advocated killing small children. If I have a problem with the acceleration you need to respect that, just as I respect your appreciation for the cars other features. If debates like this did not exist the club would have about 10 threads.


Coming into my purchase I was well aware of the 8’s shortcomings, but not fully informed on how extensive the acceleration issue was. I knew the car was low on ponies, but I believe that it’s weight, and gearing, propped it up. The issue for me isn’t 6 seconds, because that’s plenty fast, its how hard you have to beat it to get there. Dropping the clutch as 7,000 RPM’s is not acceptable, as you can only do that so many times before your buying a new clutch. In reality the 8 is somewhere around 7-7.5 seconds off the line. This is a fact that is not widely advertised in the magazines, shows, and articles describing the 8.

Pkskull77

I suppose you would be referring to me as dense, and while your entitled to your opinion I can assure you that it's not true. I spent extensive time researching cars, and my goal was to get a well-balanced sports car. Using a combination of test drives, literature, and word of mouth, I settled on the 8. As I have already stated, feeling the 8's acceleration was difficult because I was not experienced with the manual transmission when I bought the car. There was no way to overcome this fault, because as most of us know the only way to learn stick well is to drive it every day, something I couldn't due without actually owning the car. Due to the HP difference between the Manual and the stick, I just had to trust the published acceleration times. This is a mistake I will never make again! I'm sure under the perfect conditions the 8 can achieve 6 seconds, but in reality the car is far slower than that. I'm disappointed and I feel like venting my frustration, that’s why I complain.

Horsepower aside, I believe I accomplished my task of purchasing a well-balanced sports car, so I believe my research and intuition served me well. In any case, I'm far from dense. I don’t believe it serves anyone well to start name-calling, this is a public forum designed to exchange ideas, and if you don’t like someone’s opinions don’t read their posts.

BoxerGT2.5

First off the Legacy GT is not 30K. I don't know where you got that from but my 05 which I bought in August was 26K....cheaper than my 8. Secondly the stoping power and cornering of the Legacy is very good for a sport sedan and just by adding STI "Pink" springs improves it even moreso. So I think your comment about it not handling as well as the regular 6 is way off. I have driven both and can say that the 6 is no where near the car as the GT. Yes the GT is fast....and will still remain faster than the MS6 stock for stock.

Does it offer features such as HID and Nav....well...Subaru will be offering them on all 2005 models to be retrofit the first quarter of 05. The HID is nice...but navigation for my taste doesn't make or break the deal. If you don't know where the hell your going when you leave the house....stay home! The Legacy GT is not a Luxury sedan and has never been toughted at one. If you want your starbucks to stay toasty on the way to work than by a lexus.

dmp

Just so people start using it correctly:


Acceleration = A change in speed or direction.

The RX8 Accelerates just fine.

:D

Pkskull77

Thank you for the literal definition, but the term commenly refers to how quickly a car goes from stopped to a certain speed.

Feras

iTrader: (1)

it certainly isnt 7.5 seconds either (maybe with you its 7.5 seconds to 60 but you already admitted you dont drive over 7000 rpm anyway), peak torque is a nice sounding number, but the entire torque curve is what makes a car go...look up your physics and calculus and look at the area under the total torque curve and compare that to other cars and all of a sudden you may see differently, this car was designed to deliver torque over a large powerband, and guess what if you dont use it all you dont get it all. You don't have to dump a clutch to get maximum performance i find feathering from 4500 to 5000 gives me maximum road grip. but you dont really care right, you seem to enjoy self deprecation so keep at it...