kinchu007

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AWD does wonders for traction and handling...much more fun to drive on public roads because you'll never fishtail even with all that power.

I agree that the GT-R looks like crap...I wanna see what JDM upgrades will do to its looks.

Amarican cars suck sorry! My opinion is my opinion.

I wanted to write this thing off completely when I head 80k, but at 60k for the base, it's starting to look quite interesting....I'm not saying I can afford to buy one but others will be tempted will which means a larger aftermarket industry so we shoudl see lots of interesting upgrades in terms of power, weight, looks.

crimson-rain

And the 8 can school a Z06 in an auto-x. Now put the same Elise on the Ring against the GT-R and see what happens.

GT-Rs were never really light cars. But that takes ABSOLUTELY NOTHING away from the fact that this thing has almost shattered Porshe's entire stable of cars. No small feat. Porky or not. Like the GT-Rs before it, this thing can and will put on a serious show.

I'm sorry to sound like a fanboi (actually, I'm not feeling the looks of this car), but this thing IS turning in times and numbers. In the end, that's what counts right?

toxin440

in my opinion the WORST thing about the upcoming GTR are all the 17 year old GranTurismo kids who tote the car as the 2nd coming of Jesus, and sit late at night and ********** in their parents basement to the GT-R logo.

I know it will be fast - but there are other cars that peak my interest I would rather spend the money on. Would I want one? HELL YES. Would I spend $80K+ on one? Probably not.

In an argument about cars I don't think there can ever be a clear winner, so much is based on personal opinion, preference, and first hand experience. General statements from kids that say "OMGz!!! teh GTR is going to kill EVERYTHING out there, every other car is **** except the GTR" **** me off. Take note these are the kids that drive a $1000 riced out civic

BlueEyes

It's entirely possible that I missed something posted in this thread, but all I have seen are 0-60, 1/4 mile, and a claimed ring time from Nissan, who has lied about ring times before. I don't know if I would go so far as to say it's almost shattered Porsches entire stable.

Red Devil

Yeah, it's fantastic at masking the defficiencies of a sub par driver. Same reason why at the track most will tell you that a STi or EVO makes a hero out of beginner. Point being, it may be easier to drive, but that doesn't make it superior.

You'll get the full benefit of AWD from stoplight to stoplight accleration. Once you're moving, no benefit, imo.

nycgps

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Im sure if Nissan wants to they can engineer something like Elise, or even better.

but they did not choose that route. gotta be a reason.

Just wait until the car is release. then we'll see.

Cuz what we're doing now is "Guess"

playdoh43

impractical pure light weight sports cars dont sell. practicality sells.

its going to be known as a big hp street car like the supra.
it wont take long before 700hp or 1000+hp GT-Rs are common place terrorizing public roads. Good modding potential and advanced AWD technology will probably make it out perform just about anything on the road including the Z06 in terms of handling and acceleration for the average joe drivers. I have a feeling that like the R32,R33 and R34 GT-Rs, the majority of them on the road wont be stock.

Im not a track warrior, so this appeals to me more than a lot of other pure sports cars. but if I am shopping at that price point ill be seriously considering a M5.

nycgps

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As always, I can afford one, but I will NOT get it unless it has the MT option !

Red Devil

Agreed, for a road cruiser the GTR will be a great car and on par with the new M3 in price. And I'm sure it will be a great track car also. I guess maybe I'm a bit more of a purist when it comes to chassis architecture and drivetrains...so this doesn't hit the mark for me...and I could care less about 700 or 1000bhp. I'd probably kill myself at the track with that much power.

playdoh43

haha regarding manual transmission, i used to think the same way, but since I graduated last year... 1 year of driving a 6mt around the stop and go washington DC beltway (2nd worst traffic in the nation) tend to change your mind about manual :p

Design1stCode2nd

This thing is a beast, how you go wrong with something as fast or faster than a 911 Turbo for under 80k?

Edmunds has two stories up on itt oday, worth a read.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=123067
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=123066

nycgps

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NYC aint that better you know.

I have to stuck in traffic every day at LEAST 1.5 hours.

I'd have to be VERY VERY lucky to be able to go to work/school without traffic.

playdoh43

"The centerpiece of the interior is a multifunction display in the dash that Nissan tells us was developed in conjunction with Polyphony Digital, the same company that developed the Gran Turismo video games for the Sony PlayStation.
The centerpiece of the interior is a multifunction display in the dash that Nissan tells us was developed in conjunction with Polyphony Digital, the same company that developed the Gran Turismo video games for the Sony PlayStation."

lol

Ike

No it can't.

saturn

This thread is priceless. It has so many of the things we love to see on the Internet.

First you have the comparison of the STi and the Z06 because the STi happened to beat the Z06 on one track on one day under some shady circumstances.

Next we have the linguistics war over the meaning of "automatic" and "manual". It's incomprehensible to me that someone can somehow say that a more appropriate definition for "automatic" is "contains a torque converter" than "it shifts by itself". I'm all for these new cars getting DSG-like transmissions as I'm a big fan, but if it means we have to get into these discussions over terminology everytime I think I may start hitting people in the face with giant dictionaries.

Next we have people discussing the modability of a car that 99% of us cannot afford even in stock trim.

Next we have the magazine racing of track times from unofficial/unreliable sources in some odd attempt to prove what the bestest, most fastar car is!1!!

And then finally, we have me who sits in judgment of all you silly n00bs mocking you for wasting your time on the Internet with trivial pursuits. The irony of course being I am sitting here, doing the very same thing.

Good times.

playdoh43

^^^ some lap times for relatively powered cars


C6 Corvette Z06 7:42.99 by Jan Magnussen - 160.207 km/h
Ford GT 7:42 - 160.519 km/h
Porsche 997 Turbo 7:40 - 161.217 km/h
Bugatti 16/4 Veyron 7:40 - 7:40 - 161.217 km/h
Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren 7:40 by Klaus Ludwig - 161.217 km/h
997 Porche GT3 7:39 - 161.575 km/h
Nissan GT-R 7:38 by Suzuki
Porsche Carrera GT 7:28 - 166.652 km/h -

its pretty darn impressive and speak a lot about of the engineering and fine tuning.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...leId=123066#38

BlueEyes

I notice the GT-R time is the only one without a calculated track speed. Where did you get that number from? The autoblog article said it could do 7:44 with most times coming in the 7:55-7:58 range.

playdoh43

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...leId=123066#38

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/09/25/b...unning-for-th/

Ike

Don't you live with mommy and daddy?

kinchu007

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Yes...what he said...RWD makes for learning how to drive better...AWD makes for stupid fast feel-like-a-hero driving...when I had my STi with Zeal coilovers I could take right turns like a ninja but I still suck at driving fast on the track!

RX26b

BIG discrepancy between the alleged 7:38 and "...But Mizuno suggested the GT-R could get anywhere from 7:44 on up, with most laps coming in between 7:55 and 7:58". Who's right? 3800 pound car with "only" 470 hp is not turning almost 997 GT2 lap times; 7:38 is smoke and mirrors.

Nice try by the G35 fans here to refute the just-under-8 minute-mark numbers, btw.

playdoh43

the two sources could both be right, best lap vs whats normally expected. no one is refuting any numbers. in the edmunds article they said earlier this year it was running 15 seconds behind the 911 turbo, they are constantly tweeking it and improving it. who knows when the qoutes were from?

im just qouting from a reputable source, edmunds which is a lot more reputable than some random hater on the internet trying to make a conflict out of nothing by your logic who thinks power and weight is everything. i suppose the 1000hp veyron should be crushing everyone due to its superior power to weight ratio

kinchu007

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I read it was 7:35!

RX26b

Calling b.s. on fantasy land 'ring times hardly makes one a random hater; posting thousands of times on a board which you're not even an owner makes one a random parent's-basement-dwelling dork, however.

As for your Veyron and power to weight logic, there's only so much you can do to defy the laws of physics and 2 tons+ is hard to make a pure sportcar crusher out of. I'm surprised with all the auto racing video games you play you haven't figured that out yet. Oh yeah, almost forgot a to match yours.

playdoh43

ok, whatever you say dude, soo much hate.
but you vs edmunds.com, i chose to believe edmunds for now.