CnnmnSchnpps

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STI = 4WD
Z06 = 2WD

I am sure there are tracks where the STI has the advantage when the Z06 can't put down its power...

BlueEyes

hahah, so we've gone from the Z06 can't beat an STi on the track, to I'm sure somewhere, sometime, in a galaxy far far away, and STi beat a Z06.

Good on you.

Red Devil

You know, you're 100% correct. Maybe a race at Road America after a few inches of fresh snow.


I can't believe some of you are even entertaining this idea. It's absurd. And let's not even get into ricer math about what you can do to a STi to get it to beat a Z06.

SHOWOFF

Actually, F1 Cars have clutch engagement paddles on the steering wheel.

1. Pit lane speed limiter
2. Differential +
3. Engine push
4. Gear upshift
5. Traction control +
6. Engine push setting switch
7. Clutch lever
8. Traction control
9. Team info inlap
10. Burn out
11. Multifunctional switch
12. Lambda 13. Diagnostic
14. Wing angle info switch
15. Clutch
16. Differential selective switch
17. Team radio
18. Traction control -
19. Gear downshift
20. Engine break
21. Differential -
22. Neutral
23. Display page change

I think this tranny should be called a manumatic.

Now if Nissan intro'd a 7 speed gearbox with F1 paddle shift and a carbon gearbox that could change gears in 65ms then I would pee myself. This would be Ferrari territory.

SHOWOFF

Lower right had paddle - Clutch Paddle
Drink Button - Press Button, recieve beer.

CnnmnSchnpps

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SHOWOFF, thanks for the pic, cool stuff...

For the rest of you - wtf? I admit I have never seen a Z06 race an STI. Either give me lap times or STFU cos until then it's all speculation... And BTW, what driving conditions do you see more often? Road Atlanta? Or a snow/ice/rain-slicked road?

Anyway, the R35 will rape the Z06. Nuff said.

Red Devil

Too funny.

From Top Gear's testing since everyone on this site likes to reference them:
Chevrolet Corvette C6 (not even the Z06) - 1.26.8

Subaru Impreza STI - 1.30.1

No speculation needed. And "snow/ice/rain-slicked road"...we're talking track times not bs on the street.


edit: that C6 time may be the Z06...not 100% sure one way or another, someone correct me...

Rhawb

Er, what? The quoted quarter mile and 0-60 times of the Z06 that I have found fit right in with the GTR numbers on that magazine cover. Plus, the Z06 is a pretty impressive handler as well. Where do you keep getting this information from? The Fast and the Furious? Need for Speed? Juiced 2: Hot Import Nights?

BlueEyes

^^That's where I think he's getting it from. His mom must have bought him some games and movies for his sweet 16.

SHOWOFF

More pics

CnnmnSchnpps

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Red Devil - thanks for the lap times. Let's wait for a comparison with a Skyline ;-) Let's not get into how reliable Top Gear times are... But yeah, it's really not any surprise that the Z06 is faster... It costs twice as much as the STI... And the STI is a 4dr sedan.

My comments about the R35 raping the Z06 were not based only on performance. Yes, their straight line numbers may be the same. The reasons I think the R35 is better:

- One of the most advanced 4WD systems on the planet = monstrous amount of traction
- Great looks! :-D The Z06 has a fat ***... I do prefer the R34's style to the R35's, but it's still a nice looking car.
- Exclusivity - as I mentioned above, freaking everyone has a 'vette..

And for your information... Not all people who are into japanese cars are 16 year-old with a crush on the fast and the furious... Yes I watched the movies. So have you. BTW, "tokyo drift" was a crappy movie made awesome by the Keiichi Tsuchiya cameo.

I would buy the Skyline over the Vette... You might not. Whatever. As far as I'm concerned the R35 is superior.

CnnmnSchnpps

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Sweet! More pics... You know what? I take back what I said, it's a very nice looking car in its own right. May be very different from the R34 but I shouldn't complain about change...

I bed the US model will get yellow corners and the first mod people do once they buy it is put on the clears Speedo to 340kph (212mph).. Sweet!

crimson-rain

.... hmmmm ..... the styling has me, kind of "i don't know" ish. The Skyline was a sick car at first sight. I'm not feeling the same with this new GT-R.

.... the front and the roof .....

MyRXdrug

for me... Skyline > Vette for the same reasons as CnnmnSchnpps. Too me that Skyline looks hot, plus you can tow 3 girls with you, compared to just 1 girl with the vette.

SHOWOFF

I'm not old enough to drive a Vette. When I retire and want to feel like I'm 25 when I'm 65 I'll maybe think about parking it next to my low mileage Lincoln Town Car or my Buick whatever...

CnnmnSchnpps

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^= +1 ... But don't tell my gf

Not a big fan of the front either, but I'm sure body kits will be available soon enough. The rear is a great new look but still keeping with the tradition. Rock on!

crimson-rain

^ at least a front bumper.

delhi

The front's reminds me of the current gen Eclipse. So I am cold on that one. The rear is a bit too busy. And once again, Nissan has proved that they completely suck and delivering a nice steering wheel. This one looks like an Altima unit minus one spoke. I bet black or darker colours would hide away the disjointed lines. Nice rims!

m477

+1

Also, the headlights remind me of the last generation Celica.

Basically, the styling just screams "generic Japanese sporty car." It just doesn't look like it should cost anywhere near what the actual price tag will be. I miss the 90's when you could pay $30k for an RX-7 or even a 300ZX and everyone would think it was an exotic that costing many times that.

BlueEyes

I always thought the FD was closer to 40k sticker price. Add in inflation, rising costs for safety, emissions, and the techno gadgetry people demand, plus the fact that many in the target audience are in awe of the skyline heritage, and will pay just for the name, and the price doesn't seem so ridiculous IMO.

Mech_head

I am going to have to agree with you. Given the choice i would take the GTR.

However, i don't see how it could take a Z06 around a track.

Lets assume that the GTR weights 3500lbs and makes 450hp, that would put it at about 7.78 pounds per hp.

The Z06 weights in at 3160lbs and makes 505 crank hp so that puts it at 6.26 pounds per hp.

Thats not a small difference when you talk about going around a race track.

This is also not taking into account what each makes at the wheels, and a AWD system eats up a more power than a RWD layout.

Thats if the GTR weights 3500lbs, and i don't think it will.

I don't see how a car that weights almost 400 pounds more and has 50 less hp is going to go around a track faster than a Z06.

It is not like the GTR badges give it some magical power over physics.

That said, i REALLY want one.

playdoh43

the porche 911 has better power to weight ratio than the cayman S, but the cayman S has faster lap time around nurburgring, it sure didnt out accelerate the 911 to get the better time.

one of the knock against the c6 vette's platform is that it feels nervous and unpredictable at the limit, so its not amongst the best sports cars at cornering. Its still a great handling car, just not at the elite level.
The porche 911 turbo also has inferior power/weight ratio than the z06 yet it also has a faster nurburgring laptime. the unofficial time of the GT-R is a few ticks faster than the 911 turbo according to autoblog. this was discussed earlier in this thread a few pages back, or in another GT-R thread in general automotive

nt5k

That's it? We waited years upon years for that thing? <shrug>
The interior gives me a headache..

grantg

Not true. Cayman S is faster on some slower/tighter courses, but not Nurburgring...

playdoh43

im not trying to argue with you over specifics but i read it in autoweek
http://caymans.spaces.live.com/Blog/...2126!143.entry