Official GT-R info (pricing!)
10-01-2007, 11:17 AM
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I completely agree if someone makes a gearbox without a proper shifter and the pedals, I don't care if it can shift in .01ms it doesn't matter. I'm sure this is great for the track but it is still an AUTOMATIC not a "clutchless" manual, a very very advanced auto. indeed, but still an auto. IMO nothing can replace the "fun" factory of an old school gearbox.
10-01-2007, 11:40 AM
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All these definitions of manuals vs. auto have merit to me. The one thing that is the deciding factor is the transmissions impact on engine responsivness and control. It's much harder to drive a conventional (torque converter) automatic smoothly on the track even with the manual shift modes because the torque converter creates a lag between when you step on the gas and when the car starts putting power down. It makes it very hard to modulate the gas and time your corner entry and exists. A conventional manual and a singing and dancing electro-hydraulic actuated clutch transmission both still have the direct connection between the transmission and engine which provides that direct throttle response and allows for smoother track driving.
To me if it has a torque converter it's an auto and if it has a clutch it's a manual regardless of who does the shifting since the mechanics of the transmission are essentially the same concept. Flappy paddles or three pedals makes no difference to me as long as it feels good doing it.
Of course I'd be interested to find out how it is parallel parking a flappy paddle DSG without being able to feather the clutch...
To me if it has a torque converter it's an auto and if it has a clutch it's a manual regardless of who does the shifting since the mechanics of the transmission are essentially the same concept. Flappy paddles or three pedals makes no difference to me as long as it feels good doing it.
Of course I'd be interested to find out how it is parallel parking a flappy paddle DSG without being able to feather the clutch...
10-07-2007, 10:10 PM
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As a diehard manual fan, the thing that REALLY pisses me off about the GT-R is actually not the transmission so much as the weight. 3800lbs! It doesn't matter hwo fast it goes. This is TOO MUCH for a car with serious sporting pretentions.
10-09-2007, 08:57 PM
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Umm... they already do. It's called electronic stability control... and ABS!!
I do agree however that nothing compares with the fun factor of an MT. Heel-toe downshifts 4 > 3 > 2 as you're flying into a corner... Nothing quite like it...
The weight is pretty staggering though... What gives?
Oh, and thanks for the F1 vids! The Monaco qualifying lap was terrifying... So fast and NO room for error.... The French GP vis was also very exciting...
I do agree however that nothing compares with the fun factor of an MT. Heel-toe downshifts 4 > 3 > 2 as you're flying into a corner... Nothing quite like it...
The weight is pretty staggering though... What gives?
Oh, and thanks for the F1 vids! The Monaco qualifying lap was terrifying... So fast and NO room for error.... The French GP vis was also very exciting...
10-10-2007, 09:16 AM
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Thats been the expected weight for a long time if you've kept up with all the rumors with this car, I've heard anywhere from 3300 (a lightened version) - 3800.
However, if nissan isn't lying about the times around the track this car is making (which they've done in the past with the GTR series) then either the horspower is way underrated or the car is lighter then people expect.
However, if nissan isn't lying about the times around the track this car is making (which they've done in the past with the GTR series) then either the horspower is way underrated or the car is lighter then people expect.
10-10-2007, 10:56 AM
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the interior looks like crap, the priced to compete with 'higher-powered' cars which is what i really like, but I seriously doubt a lot will be around the 'tuner scene'
it will def. be like the nsx.
it will def. be like the nsx.
10-10-2007, 11:02 AM
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but I love the damn NSX, and I certainly love the r34, so I will love this car too,
which begs the question, why did I buy the rx8?
I wish I could answer that
which begs the question, why did I buy the rx8?
I wish I could answer that
10-10-2007, 11:03 AM
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10-10-2007, 01:05 PM
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- Black Edition: $68,580 forged wheels, black/red leather seats
- Premium Edition: $71,870, forged wheels, side airbags, Bose,
1/2 the price maybe...
10-10-2007, 05:46 PM
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Add me to the camp that equates Manuals with Clutches and Auto's with TQ's. I'm in the camp that the auto rx8 is a cruel joke to stick drivers. I'm also in the camp that knows that a high end computer operated MANUAL transmission is the fastest, most adaptable form of transmission for any racing conditions really. I enjoy working a clutch adn lever, but would not be disapointed if my car of choice felt it necesary to maximize performance. Would've thunk people would cross a car off it's list for being faster then they thought it would be? Yes it will be faster over any distance with this tranny over a real stick.
10-10-2007, 07:40 PM
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It really comes down to what you expect out of a car. If you want it to be FUN, then an MT would probably be best.... You can practice your shifter work around town and have a blast.
If on the other hand, you're going for ***** to the wall speed... The elecronically actuated trans would probably be better.
On the other hand, a truly excellent driver is faster than most of these electronic gadgets, so I don't see why it wouldn't be the case for shifting as well... With the right underlying components... Then again, 99.9% of drivers are not truly excellent... So it makes sense for manufacturers to put in these high-performance auto trannies, whatever acronym you want to label them with... So quit bitching, they said they will have an MT eventually..
If on the other hand, you're going for ***** to the wall speed... The elecronically actuated trans would probably be better.
On the other hand, a truly excellent driver is faster than most of these electronic gadgets, so I don't see why it wouldn't be the case for shifting as well... With the right underlying components... Then again, 99.9% of drivers are not truly excellent... So it makes sense for manufacturers to put in these high-performance auto trannies, whatever acronym you want to label them with... So quit bitching, they said they will have an MT eventually..
10-10-2007, 07:52 PM
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On the other hand, a truly excellent driver is faster than most of these electronic gadgets, so I don't see why it wouldn't be the case for shifting as well... With the right underlying components... Then again, 99.9% of drivers are not truly excellent... So it makes sense for manufacturers to put in these high-performance auto trannies, whatever acronym you want to label them with... So quit bitching, they said they will have an MT eventually..
HA HA HA HA HA HA, that is one of the funniest things I have heard. These things shift quicker then superman. Somehing like 30ms...
Yeah F1 drivers suck, so they need a computer to shift for them?
It's a bit more fun to shift with a clutch, but it's also a bit more fun to drive faster.
10-13-2007, 02:02 PM
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HA HA HA HA HA HA, that is one of the funniest things I have heard. These things shift quicker then superman. Somehing like 30ms...
Yeah F1 drivers suck, so they need a computer to shift for them?
It's a bit more fun to shift with a clutch, but it's also a bit more fun to drive faster.
Yeah F1 drivers suck, so they need a computer to shift for them?
It's a bit more fun to shift with a clutch, but it's also a bit more fun to drive faster.
10-14-2007, 08:41 PM
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Remember 1000ms makes a second
so if anyone claims they can shift in 0.1 seconds let me know