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04-30-2008, 11:27 AM
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Might not be your cup of tea but you know those baby boomers are going to buy them.
Why is Dodge doing retros and not Mercedes?
Mercedes isn't grasping at straws trying to stay afloat?
Mercedes does not see a market for retros that would be as 'profitable' as the American retros?
Why is Dodge doing retros and not Mercedes?
Mercedes isn't grasping at straws trying to stay afloat?
Mercedes does not see a market for retros that would be as 'profitable' as the American retros?
04-30-2008, 05:54 PM
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As usual with American car makers, these retro cars are a short-term fix to make some cash but what are they doing for the long term? This retro crap won't last another 10-20 years (probably less unless they start making them more economical) I hope they have something decent on the drawing board for the gas conscious real world that still stirs the passion of American cars of long ago. These cars were fresh/new back then - why not make something fresh, new for today that somebody would want to recreate 30 years from now? I guess it's the demand of the baby-boomers, but they will be gone eventually and the young people will have the money by then and want something new and fresh but will probably have to look to the European/Japanese car makers (like many do now). At least Cadillac and Saturn look to be doing something worthy for now...
When I see a Chevy Malibu commercial where the stylist starts with a Chevy truck clay model then sculpts the new Malibu from it, I know there is something wrong with GM's reasoning. Sure Gm's trucks are great but the fact that it appears you modeled a family sedan directly from your truck makes me want to buy a Chevrolet less as maybe the mechanicals were taken directly from the truck too. It's bad enough every Dodge car looks like it's trucks. And why do companies like Lincoln/Mercury even exist still? Maybe somebody still buys them or maybe all the crossovers will be successful? It's hard to believe how Lincoln has strayed away from its original (20's/30's/40's) reputation into what it is now. Get rid of those deteriorating nameplates and focus on Ford's for once. A good start would be incorporating Ford of Europe's successful designs.
When I see a Chevy Malibu commercial where the stylist starts with a Chevy truck clay model then sculpts the new Malibu from it, I know there is something wrong with GM's reasoning. Sure Gm's trucks are great but the fact that it appears you modeled a family sedan directly from your truck makes me want to buy a Chevrolet less as maybe the mechanicals were taken directly from the truck too. It's bad enough every Dodge car looks like it's trucks. And why do companies like Lincoln/Mercury even exist still? Maybe somebody still buys them or maybe all the crossovers will be successful? It's hard to believe how Lincoln has strayed away from its original (20's/30's/40's) reputation into what it is now. Get rid of those deteriorating nameplates and focus on Ford's for once. A good start would be incorporating Ford of Europe's successful designs.
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04-30-2008, 06:39 PM
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Wut da F Y'all lookin' @!
Might not be your cup of tea but you know those baby boomers are going to buy them.
Why is Dodge doing retros and not Mercedes?
Mercedes isn't grasping at straws trying to stay afloat?
Mercedes does not see a market for retros that would be as 'profitable' as the American retros?
Why is Dodge doing retros and not Mercedes?
Mercedes isn't grasping at straws trying to stay afloat?
Mercedes does not see a market for retros that would be as 'profitable' as the American retros?
04-14-2009, 08:59 AM
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Too big. Underpowered by anything less than the SRT8. And even then this car's awesome cool factor can't justify $41K. Biggest turn off for me is the interior. It doesn't have anything that tells you its a Challenger interior. Its just another Dodge interior. No style.
I would go with the Camaro SS for the $30K price range, or if you have the cash for a $40K muscle car the new GT500 looks pretty hot.
I would go with the Camaro SS for the $30K price range, or if you have the cash for a $40K muscle car the new GT500 looks pretty hot.
04-14-2009, 09:35 AM
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Personally, I love the exterior... it looks badass... classic american badass.
When I drove one though... i got in drivers seat and wanted to get out immediately. Its already been said, but a bright greenish gauge clutster with whitefaced gauges (If i remember correctly) Crappy digital displays (worse than the one we have in the 8) and just a general poor design.
How can a car that big and that heavy feel so small on the inside???
The guy you styled the outside just stayed "true" to the original design, but there are no points for that unless you can keep the same exterior and load it up with performance specs for today. I mean, what on the car's suspension or power plant is state of the art?? Where is the ulrta light weight carbon fiber driver shaft (just for example
)
This car isn't really retro... its just the old challenger, built new, that "stays true" to old technology.
And with Chevy: how long have we been seeing the new camarro? I know I saw it at the Detriot autoshow in Jan '08, and in that movie about robots... seriously? I know you want to get it right, but damn. It seems like Dodge was able to engineer, develop, and produce the new challenger before chevy could release the camarro. Plus that time allowed ford to tweak the mustang again...
I don't know, to me, this is like the battle for 6th place... look at all of us - what are the main US made competitors to the RX8? 2 door - 4 seats, good handling, price, power, etc...
When I drove one though... i got in drivers seat and wanted to get out immediately. Its already been said, but a bright greenish gauge clutster with whitefaced gauges (If i remember correctly) Crappy digital displays (worse than the one we have in the 8) and just a general poor design.
How can a car that big and that heavy feel so small on the inside???
The guy you styled the outside just stayed "true" to the original design, but there are no points for that unless you can keep the same exterior and load it up with performance specs for today. I mean, what on the car's suspension or power plant is state of the art?? Where is the ulrta light weight carbon fiber driver shaft (just for example
) This car isn't really retro... its just the old challenger, built new, that "stays true" to old technology.
And with Chevy: how long have we been seeing the new camarro? I know I saw it at the Detriot autoshow in Jan '08, and in that movie about robots... seriously? I know you want to get it right, but damn. It seems like Dodge was able to engineer, develop, and produce the new challenger before chevy could release the camarro. Plus that time allowed ford to tweak the mustang again...
I don't know, to me, this is like the battle for 6th place... look at all of us - what are the main US made competitors to the RX8? 2 door - 4 seats, good handling, price, power, etc...
04-14-2009, 08:10 PM
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The only car that would ever get me to consider buying from GM ....
I know that is just a photoshopped camaro, but damn it looks sweet. There was actually a concept design trans am that was scrapped (thank god) It is hideous. Below is pic.
I know that is just a photoshopped camaro, but damn it looks sweet. There was actually a concept design trans am that was scrapped (thank god) It is hideous. Below is pic.
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04-15-2009, 03:20 PM
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Yes, Man Pistons are heavy as heck... (v8) can weigh over 1k or more. Unlike a 1.3L rotary block which only weighs 150lb
04-15-2009, 03:34 PM
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You're just spouting Detroit ad copy rubbish. Ford and Chrysler are both going broke and that's the only reason they're "making them like they used to." That's all they know how to do- they have no idea how to design a decent product anymore so Chrysler is using the Mustang strategy: build a car like you did in the sixties, and sell it to old guys who remember them as better than they were and young guys who think they look cool and don't know what a live real axle is. Shame this car is gonna suck like a dimestore hooker, but feel free to shell out forty large for lead sled with a tractor engine in it. It'll be another American point-and-shoot city bus with a lunch tray interior. And everybody's gonna love it. Since I for one know that a several ton vehicle with a jillion horsepower is more commonly known as a garbage truck, I'll pass.
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04-15-2009, 03:35 PM
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I tried to test drive the challenger srt8 and the dealer asked me questions for an hour and then said i can't test drive one because i'm not seriously going to buy one and they cost too much.. It's $40k.. Seriously. Just because I look like a college kid doesn't mean I don't have a good job..
P.S. Because of this, nobody go to Sansone in NJ. They are very disrespectful.
P.S. Because of this, nobody go to Sansone in NJ. They are very disrespectful.
04-15-2009, 03:44 PM
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I tried to test drive the challenger srt8 and the dealer asked me questions for an hour and then said i can't test drive one because i'm not seriously going to buy one and they cost too much.. It's $40k.. Seriously. Just because I look like a college kid doesn't mean I don't have a good job..
P.S. Because of this, nobody go to Sansone in NJ. They are very disrespectful.
P.S. Because of this, nobody go to Sansone in NJ. They are very disrespectful.
04-15-2009, 03:52 PM
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That happened to me at HONDA... I was with my gf and we asked if we could test drive the Civic and the S2k and they snobbed us. Pretty much said "GTFO you look too young". Never go to South Coast Honda. Ever.
04-26-2009, 08:07 PM
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When Diamler purchased Chrysler they were making money, they screwed up the company than sold it... Do your homework...
04-26-2009, 08:09 PM
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The interior is very nice and styled like the original, take a look inside of any 70's Challenger and you will see they were clean and simple... The materials are top notch...
Too big. Underpowered by anything less than the SRT8. And even then this car's awesome cool factor can't justify $41K. Biggest turn off for me is the interior. It doesn't have anything that tells you its a Challenger interior. Its just another Dodge interior. No style.
I would go with the Camaro SS for the $30K price range, or if you have the cash for a $40K muscle car the new GT500 looks pretty hot.
I would go with the Camaro SS for the $30K price range, or if you have the cash for a $40K muscle car the new GT500 looks pretty hot.
04-26-2009, 08:11 PM
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The interior is very nice and the dash is one of the best out there, the SRT8 has some very nice seats and it is rock solid...
Personally, I love the exterior... it looks badass... classic american badass.
When I drove one though... i got in drivers seat and wanted to get out immediately. Its already been said, but a bright greenish gauge clutster with whitefaced gauges (If i remember correctly) Crappy digital displays (worse than the one we have in the 8) and just a general poor design.
How can a car that big and that heavy feel so small on the inside???
The guy you styled the outside just stayed "true" to the original design, but there are no points for that unless you can keep the same exterior and load it up with performance specs for today. I mean, what on the car's suspension or power plant is state of the art?? Where is the ulrta light weight carbon fiber driver shaft (just for example )
This car isn't really retro... its just the old challenger, built new, that "stays true" to old technology.
And with Chevy: how long have we been seeing the new camarro? I know I saw it at the Detriot autoshow in Jan '08, and in that movie about robots... seriously? I know you want to get it right, but damn. It seems like Dodge was able to engineer, develop, and produce the new challenger before chevy could release the camarro. Plus that time allowed ford to tweak the mustang again...
I don't know, to me, this is like the battle for 6th place... look at all of us - what are the main US made competitors to the RX8? 2 door - 4 seats, good handling, price, power, etc...
When I drove one though... i got in drivers seat and wanted to get out immediately. Its already been said, but a bright greenish gauge clutster with whitefaced gauges (If i remember correctly) Crappy digital displays (worse than the one we have in the 8) and just a general poor design.
How can a car that big and that heavy feel so small on the inside???
The guy you styled the outside just stayed "true" to the original design, but there are no points for that unless you can keep the same exterior and load it up with performance specs for today. I mean, what on the car's suspension or power plant is state of the art?? Where is the ulrta light weight carbon fiber driver shaft (just for example
) This car isn't really retro... its just the old challenger, built new, that "stays true" to old technology.
And with Chevy: how long have we been seeing the new camarro? I know I saw it at the Detriot autoshow in Jan '08, and in that movie about robots... seriously? I know you want to get it right, but damn. It seems like Dodge was able to engineer, develop, and produce the new challenger before chevy could release the camarro. Plus that time allowed ford to tweak the mustang again...
I don't know, to me, this is like the battle for 6th place... look at all of us - what are the main US made competitors to the RX8? 2 door - 4 seats, good handling, price, power, etc...
04-26-2009, 08:18 PM
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My SRT8 has a Cat-back, CAI 85 mm TB and a tune and is making 437 RWHP /440 Torque that is a little over 500 HP at the crank... She is runing a 4.62 0-60 a 12.8 in the 1/4 and has a top-speed of 178 mph, not to bad...
I have long tube headers with high flow cats and a twin screw supercharger on the way that will put her at about 650 HP... She should be at 0-60 in 4.2 and run the 1/4 in the high 11s and have a top speed of over 190 mph...
I have long tube headers with high flow cats and a twin screw supercharger on the way that will put her at about 650 HP... She should be at 0-60 in 4.2 and run the 1/4 in the high 11s and have a top speed of over 190 mph...
04-26-2009, 08:29 PM
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I raced an SRT8 Challeger and kept up with him the whole way.
Its a Big heavy pig.
The G8 GT is a much better car.
Have you ever seen a Challenger at a car meet?
It even dwarfs the the Mustang.
Excellent job for style of the retro, but 41k for a big pig and then pay gas gussling tax........
Its a Big heavy pig.
The G8 GT is a much better car.
Have you ever seen a Challenger at a car meet?
It even dwarfs the the Mustang.
Excellent job for style of the retro, but 41k for a big pig and then pay gas gussling tax........
04-26-2009, 09:21 PM
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My SRT8 has a Cat-back, CAI 85 mm TB and a tune and is making 437 RWHP /440 Torque that is a little over 500 HP at the crank... She is runing a 4.62 0-60 a 12.8 in the 1/4 and has a top-speed of 178 mph, not to bad...
I have long tube headers with high flow cats and a twin screw supercharger on the way that will put her at about 650 HP... She should be at 0-60 in 4.2 and run the 1/4 in the high 11s and have a top speed of over 190 mph...
I have long tube headers with high flow cats and a twin screw supercharger on the way that will put her at about 650 HP... She should be at 0-60 in 4.2 and run the 1/4 in the high 11s and have a top speed of over 190 mph...
Pics? Video?
04-27-2009, 12:29 AM
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I raced an SRT8 Challeger and kept up with him the whole way.
Its a Big heavy pig.
The G8 GT is a much better car.
Have you ever seen a Challenger at a car meet?
It even dwarfs the the Mustang.
Excellent job for style of the retro, but 41k for a big pig and then pay gas gussling tax........
Its a Big heavy pig.
The G8 GT is a much better car.
Have you ever seen a Challenger at a car meet?
It even dwarfs the the Mustang.
Excellent job for style of the retro, but 41k for a big pig and then pay gas gussling tax........