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Um.. Nope Not gonna. You don't feel like? Thanks for your support anyway.
As for paying for it? Yeah, wife said something similar -- gotta start setting aside some bucks now
Um.. Nope Not gonna. You don't feel like? Thanks for your support anyway.
As for paying for it? Yeah, wife said something similar -- gotta start setting aside some bucks now
Hey if you can afford it and will buy one when it comes out, go right ahead.
I love the RX-Vision, just kinda tired with people who think car companies are essentially charities and don't know how a business is run(see the Supra meme).
Originally Posted by zoom44
YES but will they do it in time for ASH to own one? I mean did you read what he wrote ?Use whatever FaceInstaTwit you prefer or email or phone call. Do it for Ash And me thank you
Don't have the money right now, but if I can afford it in the future and if it comes out, then f*ck the new car depreciation, I am supporting it with my wallet.
ASH8 isn't exactly helping with his attitude towards the RE range extender, the very frickin' thing that can help bring the halo sports car back, so don't blame me here.
Last edited by UnknownJinX; 05-10-2019 at 12:11 PM.
I honestly want Mazda to work on their R&D when it comes to quality and ergonomics. The quality wasn't up to par with even Hondas and Toyotas until the current gen (2016+) SkyActiv cars.
As my RX-8 ages, I realized how disappointed I am with the corners cut. I'm talking about the rattles, shitty plastics, and corrosion control (which fortunately does not apply to my RX-8). Same applies to my 2013 CX-5 even at the highest trim level. You don't see this crap as often on the Germans, Lexus', or even Acuras.
I understand that Mazda does not have the finances, but in order to punch on par with Honda and Toyota, they need to invest in the R&D towards more than just styling, driving dynamics, and powertrains. We're not in the era of janky-turd-on-wheels of the 90's and early 2000's any more. If they want to compete at entry-premium levels, they can't slow their rate of progression by allocating resources towards less economical ideas.
With that said, it's not even remotely realistic to ask Mazda to release a flagship sports car to compete with the Supra, NSX, GT-R etc. They simply won't do it and can't do it. I rather them allocate their resources towards a class beating bread & butter car with the sprinkling of Mazda driving dynamics and ingenuity. That's something I see myself writing a check for, not a half-assed sports car for the fanboys.
Last edited by SayNoToPistons; 05-10-2019 at 01:10 PM.
SayNo, I don't have any of those issues with mine.
In fact the ergonomics is one of the things I love about it.
I've rented new cars for years for interstate travel, (2k miles) I always tried to get different models as extended test drives.
A couple of years ago I decided to take my 8.
It was as quiet and comfortable as any new car I rented and was better than a VW, Subaru, and Taurus.
Maybe it's because of my body type, Idk.
The only rattle I've ever heard is when it's near or below 0° there's a weird cracking sound between dash and windshield.
When I said the Made After Zero Design Analysis thing... I was more referring to the engine reliability(which is the thing that needs the RE range extender to help back up), not the whole car.
I agree with BC. My car's fit and finish is excellent IMO, and it's very apparent that it's built in Japan. My old Accord Coupe(made in the US) would have uneven door and hood gaps, small imperfections here are there.
As for comfort, well it's a sports car with some GT aspects, and I think it delivers with the amount of money you can get one nowadays.
And unless you rent an expensive sports car, driving a typical rental car makes me appreciate the RX-8 more.
As for rusting issues, older Honda aren't really better, and Acuras are a bit above Mazda anyway.
Last edited by UnknownJinX; 05-10-2019 at 02:28 PM.
I never rent a car I wouldn't be interested in buying.
That's why I said like an extended test drive.
No budget compacts or bare bones mid size, always full size or premium.
My favorite was the Nissan Maxima.
Probably second, surprisingly, was a really nice Kia Optima.
I was surprised by that one.
The Subaru's parking brake lever was next to the seat rubbing on my thigh, and the VW had a weird widening tapered dash over the console that rubbed against my knee.
Both drove me crazy after a few hundred miles, things you might not notice on a suburban test drive.
The Taurus was nice, but the trunk was too tall and created a huge blind spot I didn't like, like having a big suitcase in the back seat.
I have an 04 with low mileage (~60k). Never abused and I am a typical 5'10" 170 lb male. My RX-8 rattles like a tin can from the mirror, the doors, dash, to rear deck at any temperature below 60*F ambient. Things get a bit better when the temperature rises and things get tighter with expansion.
My biggest gripe are the low rent plastics. The nasty mold seams on the interior panels, clips that are irreplaceable that snap the moment you try to remove them, the damn sunvisors, glove box damper, radio face plate that causes the display to go blank, HVAC controls, etc. There's too many to name. I sometimes get fed up because I have OCD and I approach things with the most gentle touch, yet on the RX-8 everything just breaks regardless.
One of these days, I'll just give up chasing my tail in pursuit of a "preserved RX-8" and just gut the thing and turn it into a track car.
I mean, it's a Japanese sports car, so I don't have my bar too high. I suggest you try out a 350Z and you will probably appreciate the interior of an RX-8.
A 09 RX-8 GT, when brand new, cost about as much as a 09 Accord Coupe V6 EX-L, which I also owned, and I don't really feel like the Accord Coupe's interior is that much more luxurious.
While I have the mirror rattle a tiny bit at idle sometimes, it never bothered me as it's not audible or anything. You haven't seen rattling tin cans if you haven't sat in my old 99 Corolla I learned to drive stick shift on.
I have an 04 with low mileage (~60k). Never abused and I am a typical 5'10" 170 lb male. My RX-8 rattles like a tin can from the mirror, the doors, dash, to rear deck at any temperature below 60*F ambient. Things get a bit better when the temperature rises and things get tighter with expansion.
My biggest gripe are the low rent plastics. The nasty mold seams on the interior panels, clips that are irreplaceable that snap the moment you try to remove them, the damn sunvisors, glove box damper, radio face plate that causes the display to go blank, HVAC controls, etc. There's too many to name. I sometimes get fed up because I have OCD and I approach things with the most gentle touch, yet on the RX-8 everything just breaks regardless.
One of these days, I'll just give up chasing my tail in pursuit of a "preserved RX-8" and just gut the thing and turn it into a track car.
my opinion about Mazda quality is (see my signature) :
They started from a sub par level (GG mazda6 and other model of that generation of products), they have improved at every gen, my GJ is not a "German" but is not so far (considering the money that have paid). My brother owns a MY19 GJ since october, the quality is further improved from my MY14
The new 3 is a HUGE STEP in terms of quality (compared to previous), if they make the same improvement with the RWD model compared to MY19 GJ , we are in the same league wth germans, no question, i see BMW and MB new and used every day, they are quite common here.
It was MattMPS and ALSO ME !! It was in that patent! HI Ash!!
Hello EVERYONE!! I can't believe this isnt the first place I came to talk about this but my focus has changed over the last year-ish. Apologies for not being around.
Having said that - HELL YEAH! For two years I have been talking about an Inline 6 Skyactiv-X Engine Mounted in a RWD/AWD set up with design inspired by the RX-Vision and Vision Coupe. I started a hashtag WHICH EVERY ONE OF YOU should be using #JustBuldItMazda . I am absolutely ecstatic that it's finally coming true and they have confirmed it publicly. They are literally building the car I have been asking for. I was even told by a higher up at Mazda when I asked just over a year ago that'd be 2 years before I'd see it and well we haven't seen one yet but we know now it's coming.
Seriously, Mazda reads this and other boards so they are seeing the good reaction to this news in the press and here but use that hashtag, call/email them. tell them they need t #GetOnWithItMazda and #JustBuildItMazda for Ash's sake
I might be a little excited by this news
Hey old man...
Thought it was you, not bad for an old fart suffering from severe tinnitus (if you don't know what that is look it up, it is torture, permanent head noise to my pulse 24/7 between ears) @ a volume level of about 7 out of 10, a high screech one, when I put my head down to try and sleep it gets louder, have to have an electric fan on all night (for background noise) to drown out the noise in head, it's incurable, had it for about 4+ years straight and driving me nuts, so apologies to all if I get things *** up at times with my thinking and temper, only sleep about 4 hours a day, it never goes away.....anyway...
Yeah, they need this 6 and now, just hope they don't price themselves too high...
And for god sake Mazda JAPAN can you spend another $50.00 per car and put an extra or thicker layer of PAINT on your cars, it is so bloody thin it offers ZERO protection for small stones, only has to touch the paint and it will go down to the raw metal and then Rust if OWNER fails to see it and does not paint the mark.
Thought it was you, not bad for an old fart suffering from severe tinnitus (if you don't know what that is look it up, it is torture, permanent head noise to my pulse 24/7 between ears) @ a volume level of about 7 out of 10, a high screech one, when I put my head down to try and sleep it gets louder, have to have an electric fan on all night (for background noise) to drown out the noise in head, it's incurable, had it for about 4+ years straight and driving me nuts, so apologies to all if I get things *** up at times with my thinking and temper, only sleep about 4 hours a day, it never goes away.....anyway...
Yeah, they need this 6 and now, just hope they don't price themselves too high...
And for god sake Mazda JAPAN can you spend another $50.00 per car and put an extra or thicker layer of PAINT on your cars, it is so bloody thin it offers ZERO protection for small stones, only has to touch the paint and it will go down to the raw metal and then Rust if OWNER fails to see it and does not paint the mark.
Anyway......later guys my head hurts.
That sucks, I have it also, but not nearly as bad as you do.
I blame it on listening to loud rock, concerts, and shooting with no ear protection.
Really started in '77 at a Rush concert in New Orleans in a 100 yr. old brick warehouse with low ceilings.
Ears rang loudly for 3 days.
Been with me ever since.
Thought it was you, not bad for an old fart suffering from severe tinnitus (if you don't know what that is look it up, it is torture, permanent head noise to my pulse 24/7 between ears) @ a volume level of about 7 out of 10, a high screech one, when I put my head down to try and sleep it gets louder, have to have an electric fan on all night (for background noise) to drown out the noise in head, it's incurable, had it for about 4+ years straight and driving me nuts, so apologies to all if I get things *** up at times with my thinking and temper, only sleep about 4 hours a day, it never goes away.....anyway...
Yeah, they need this 6 and now, just hope they don't price themselves too high...
And for god sake Mazda JAPAN can you spend another $50.00 per car and put an extra or thicker layer of PAINT on your cars, it is so bloody thin it offers ZERO protection for small stones, only has to touch the paint and it will go down to the raw metal and then Rust if OWNER fails to see it and does not paint the mark.
Anyway......later guys my head hurts.
Ouch, sorry for the tinnitus. Must be awful to live with.
As for the paint, I think it has less to do with Mazda being cheap and more to do with the environmentalism we have to deal with nowadays.
On Paint in actual fact Mazda in Europe (MME/TI-W006/18 July 2018) are offering GOODWILL on Soul Red Crystal 46V Paint Finish as owners are complaining of Chips which Removes the paint back to undercoat, the Chip(s) must be a certain size, but MME will pay to get it re-sprayed....which I guess is good of Mazda..
You know guys I always love the brand it has been my life, BUT SERIOUSLY if Mazda spent a little more time, like 60 seconds per car and Programmed their Paint Robots to add another layer of paint, OH lets Guess where, all the areas where wear and tare happens, like front Nose/Grille area, Wheel Arches, Side Sills.
Mazda KNOWS where.....all to save money.
I recall Mazda removed the MAZDA Trunk/Boot Badge about 20 years ago ON all of their Cars, ONLY to save money.
A $2.00 badge on 1,000,000 cars saves them $2 Mil....plus labour time.
Mazda's paint is bloody awful, their electrostatic undercoat (electric charging) of the Body Shell Steel into a huge paint bath is what everyone does and is the best.
It is when small stones fly up and hit this color paintwork which then very easily chips off (because it is so THIN) and exposes the metal which then rusts, add in the USA/Canada/EU where salt is added on roads in winter which speeds up the corrosion.
We are lucky in Australia as our winters can be very cold, but very little snow and we do not use road salt at all, our used cars (Mazda's) are in very good condition rust wise.
On Paint in actual fact Mazda in Europe (MME/TI-W006/18 July 2018) are offering GOODWILL on Soul Red Crystal 46V Paint Finish as owners are complaining of Chips which Removes the paint back to undercoat, the Chip(s) must be a certain size, but MME will pay to get it re-sprayed....which I guess is good of Mazda..
You know guys I always love the brand it has been my life, BUT SERIOUSLY if Mazda spent a little more time, like 60 seconds per car and Programmed their Paint Robots to add another layer of paint, OH lets Guess where, all the areas where wear and tare happens, like front Nose/Grille area, Wheel Arches, Side Sills.
Mazda KNOWS where.....all to save money.
I recall Mazda removed the MAZDA Trunk/Boot Badge about 20 years ago ON all of their Cars, ONLY to save money.
A $2.00 badge on 1,000,000 cars saves them $2 Mil....plus labour time.
Mazda's paint is bloody awful, their electrostatic undercoat (electric charging) of the Body Shell Steel into a huge paint bath is what everyone does and is the best.
It is when small stones fly up and hit this color paintwork which then very easily chips off (because it is so THIN) and exposes the metal which then rusts, add in the USA/Canada/EU where salt is added on roads in winter which speeds up the corrosion.
We are lucky in Australia as our winters can be very cold, but very little snow and we do not use road salt at all, our used cars (Mazda's) are in very good condition rust wise.
Can attest to Mazda's super thin paints. It is NOTORIOUS on detailing forums for dangerously thin paint from the factory. We're talking about 2.2-2.5 mils, which is 63.5 microns or less for an average Soul Red. That leaves very little margin for correction.
For comparison's sake, other japanese manufacturers (E.G. Honda & Toyota) paints range from 4-5 mils. The Germans and Lexus' range from 5-7 mils. Hell, even the turds coming out from Chevy and Ford are easily 4.5 mils thick.
Love the color spectrums and the depths, but damn Mazda, step your paint quality game up.
Last edited by SayNoToPistons; 05-13-2019 at 02:56 PM.
Somebody wake me up when the Skyactive 4-rotor hits the showroom floor ...
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If that ever happens, it will probably be priced at least as a Nissan GT-R... Possibly even 150k+ level if it ends up as a "showcase hybrid supercar" like the NSX or the i8.
05-10-2019, 11:49 AM
And me thank you
