Mazda RX-VISION Concepts
10-27-2017, 10:53 AM
#1676
Nice add but they gotta step it up, more I4 turbos and a v6 otherwise they will not increase the appeal of the brand with just pretty/handsome cars alone also something sportier than a miata wouldn't hurt either.
Hopefully something good comes from all this. I want them to do well.
Hopefully something good comes from all this. I want them to do well.
10-27-2017, 05:18 PM
#1677
///// Upscale Zoom-Zoom
I do as well - as you said having the luxury, styling, and power options is base business. I drove a rental Mazda6 and the engine was the weak link. Love to have had a V6 (manual) as the rental. i would have treated it with respect
10-27-2017, 06:03 PM
#1678
Super Moderator
Thread Starter
Well, NO Rotary Stand Alone until AFTER 2020...now..
Mazda's Next Rotary Sports Car Delayed Until After 2020 - Motor Trend
Speaking with Australia’s Motoring, Kiyoshi Fujiwara, Mazda’s head of research and development, blamed a lack of money for the delay. “We cannot provide the RX Vision to the market by 2020, because we do not have enough money to invest, to commercialize it,” Fujiwara said
Mazda's Next Rotary Sports Car Delayed Until After 2020 - Motor Trend
Speaking with Australia’s Motoring, Kiyoshi Fujiwara, Mazda’s head of research and development, blamed a lack of money for the delay. “We cannot provide the RX Vision to the market by 2020, because we do not have enough money to invest, to commercialize it,” Fujiwara said
10-28-2017, 10:31 PM
#1682
Super Moderator
Thread Starter
RE is finished will not happen period as a stand alone, seriously who will buy one, by 2022 (a guess) anything gasoline powered will be a banned in so many countries (particularly Europe) unless it gets 50 MPG.
As I have said before and the current Mazda Japan CEO has said right from the start, they have to make 100,000 units a year for it to be viable. They have not done that RE volume since first RX-7.
All the RE has done is cost, cost and more cost...as long as Mazda remains small and it looks like they will with some of the dumb decisions they make, they will never afford to build a RE only car ever again...or Toyota takes total control of Mazda, and that is more on the cards than ever before. Toyota want to be #1 again...then Toyota 'may' stump up some cash for a REAL RE., but then it all comes back to sales again, who will buy one?
As I have said before and the current Mazda Japan CEO has said right from the start, they have to make 100,000 units a year for it to be viable. They have not done that RE volume since first RX-7.
All the RE has done is cost, cost and more cost...as long as Mazda remains small and it looks like they will with some of the dumb decisions they make, they will never afford to build a RE only car ever again...or Toyota takes total control of Mazda, and that is more on the cards than ever before. Toyota want to be #1 again...then Toyota 'may' stump up some cash for a REAL RE., but then it all comes back to sales again, who will buy one?
10-29-2017, 10:11 AM
#1685
Rockie Mountain Newbie
CX-9 - YTD sales in the US - 18,089
CX-3 - YTD Sales in the US - 11,981
CX-9 - YTD sales in Canada - 2,884
CX-3 - YTD Sales in Canada - 7,940
Hell, lets throw in the Mazda 6 sales.
US - 27,850
Canada - 2,011
Now the Miata:
US - 9,717
Canada - 1,086
Is Mazda selling 70k+ CX-9's and CX-3's EACH in other markets around the world every year, more than in the US? I highly doubt it.
The 100k units a year requirement is just 100% pure bullshit.
You KNOW it, and yet you're saying it, too.
BC.
10-30-2017, 07:50 AM
#1686
1% evil, 99% hot gas.
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Originally Posted by drive.com.au
Speaking to Australian media at the 2017 Tokyo motor show, Kiyoshi Fujiwara, Mazda's senior managing executive officer, revealed the company had simply run out of time and resources to resurrect the rotary-powered sports car in time for 2020.
10-30-2017, 08:55 AM
#1687
40th anniversary Edition
If Mazda management at the top had been committed to spend the money it could have had a chance by 2020. But by the time this corporate vision has the money after 2020 for another sports car it will be all too late for the rotary as emission standards and demands for electric and hybrid cars will drive the market and even laws.
I still believed Mazda wanted more for the rotary than only a range-extender. My belief wasn't wrong, Mazda's vision since the RXVision comcept was launched has changed, as has their new partnerships which are now driving their future product lines.
This thread was earnestly addressed by many of us that held out hope as Mazda rolled out their RXVision concept and did the talk, but ultimately financially and spiritually Mazda wasn't up to the task. What will happen to what comes out of that small group still working on the engine, who knows.
So we RX8 and RX7 owners may be the last of the breed, so be it. Enjoy !
I still believed Mazda wanted more for the rotary than only a range-extender. My belief wasn't wrong, Mazda's vision since the RXVision comcept was launched has changed, as has their new partnerships which are now driving their future product lines.
This thread was earnestly addressed by many of us that held out hope as Mazda rolled out their RXVision concept and did the talk, but ultimately financially and spiritually Mazda wasn't up to the task. What will happen to what comes out of that small group still working on the engine, who knows.
So we RX8 and RX7 owners may be the last of the breed, so be it. Enjoy !
Last edited by gwilliams6; 10-30-2017 at 09:12 PM.
10-30-2017, 09:01 AM
#1688
SARX Legend
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Thanks for quoting, I can't see his posts, 
But yeah a rotary powered sports car just makes no sense, I don't know how people could think that it would ever happen again. Mazda had their chance at redemption and blew it. They should focus on a new halo car, one that makes sense.
But yeah a rotary powered sports car just makes no sense, I don't know how people could think that it would ever happen again. Mazda had their chance at redemption and blew it. They should focus on a new halo car, one that makes sense.
10-30-2017, 05:58 PM
#1691
Smoking turbo yay
If this were even remotely true, then WHY THE FRACK does Mazda make the CX-3 and the CX-9? Do either one of those hit 100k units per year? No, they don't.
CX-9 - YTD sales in the US - 18,089
CX-3 - YTD Sales in the US - 11,981
CX-9 - YTD sales in Canada - 2,884
CX-3 - YTD Sales in Canada - 7,940
Hell, lets throw in the Mazda 6 sales.
US - 27,850
Canada - 2,011
Now the Miata:
US - 9,717
Canada - 1,086
Is Mazda selling 70k+ CX-9's and CX-3's EACH in other markets around the world every year, more than in the US? I highly doubt it.
The 100k units a year requirement is just 100% pure bullshit.
You KNOW it, and yet you're saying it, too.
BC.
CX-9 - YTD sales in the US - 18,089
CX-3 - YTD Sales in the US - 11,981
CX-9 - YTD sales in Canada - 2,884
CX-3 - YTD Sales in Canada - 7,940
Hell, lets throw in the Mazda 6 sales.
US - 27,850
Canada - 2,011
Now the Miata:
US - 9,717
Canada - 1,086
Is Mazda selling 70k+ CX-9's and CX-3's EACH in other markets around the world every year, more than in the US? I highly doubt it.
The 100k units a year requirement is just 100% pure bullshit.
You KNOW it, and yet you're saying it, too.
BC.
Global sales should add up to 100k units for their practical cars.
What "makes sense" according to you? The ones that everyone else is already doing? Then buy one of those, done.
What would be the best in your opinion?
10-30-2017, 07:36 PM
#1693
Smoking turbo yay
They also tried putting rotary engines in pickup trucks and sell them in the states, but that also didn't work that well. The low-torque, high-revving nature of rotary sucks in these applications.
Personally, I think these smaller Japanese sports cars actually have a better chance in the future. Want torque? EVs will blow any ICE out of the water, and can easily outrun most ICE cars just built for straight-line performance, with better weight distribution. What EVs lack is the light weight of Japanese sports cars; batteries are still bricks with the technology we have. Tesla Model S is at least 4400 pounds, for reference.
I'd prefer Mazda to keep making sports cars with Colin Chapman's philosophy. Don't focus on power, focus on the handling and the lightweight.
10-30-2017, 08:28 PM
#1695
Smoking turbo yay
You can't fight against a drive train that release more than 90% of its peak torque at 1 RPM, period.
Yes, at this point, give me a good handling car. If I want speed, again, I would go for an EV.
Last edited by UnknownJinX; 10-30-2017 at 08:36 PM.
10-30-2017, 08:35 PM
#1697
Smoking turbo yay
I do like muscles and would prefer an ICE, but the reason just boils down to they sound good, I like driving stick shift and I personally don't feel much for luxury Sedans, all of which are subjective.
And if you are gonna argue that EVs have cooling issues on the track, yes, that's true, but cars like Challenger Demon are more of a drag strip car anyway.
I don't think Mazda has any experience in building a V8, and again, I would rather Mazda not repeat what a bunch of other car companies are already doing. Leave the V8 to American muscles.
And if you are gonna argue that EVs have cooling issues on the track, yes, that's true, but cars like Challenger Demon are more of a drag strip car anyway.
I don't think Mazda has any experience in building a V8, and again, I would rather Mazda not repeat what a bunch of other car companies are already doing. Leave the V8 to American muscles.
10-30-2017, 08:49 PM
#1699
Smoking turbo yay
Charging can be a pain, but if you have a garage and can install a charger, you can charge it at night.
I don't think muscles are exactly good at handling, either. Those Mustang crashes are very hilarious to watch.
10-31-2017, 08:43 AM
#1700
1% evil, 99% hot gas.
iTrader: (21)
(My 3/4 ton, 4x4, four-door, six-passenger, 600-mile-range, 10,000-lb-pulling, 395 HP V8 Dodge Hemi truck weighs less.)
Those crashes are due to talentless assclowns being stupid in public, not the muscles of the car. Mustangs actually handle very well.
