Nice add but they gotta step it up, more I4 turbos and a v6 otherwise they will not increase the appeal of the brand with just pretty/handsome cars alone also something sportier than a miata wouldn't hurt either.

Hopefully something good comes from all this. I want them to do well.

 

I do as well - as you said having the luxury, styling, and power options is base business. I drove a rental Mazda6 and the engine was the weak link. Love to have had a V6 (manual) as the rental. i would have treated it with respect

 

Well, NO Rotary Stand Alone until AFTER 2020...now..

Mazda's Next Rotary Sports Car Delayed Until After 2020 - Motor Trend

Speaking with Australia’s Motoring, Kiyoshi Fujiwara, Mazda’s head of research and development, blamed a lack of money for the delay. “We cannot provide the RX Vision to the market by 2020, because we do not have enough money to invest, to commercialize it,” Fujiwara said

 

at least they have been clear about motivation....MONEY. period.

 

Well that article sums it up and ends the speculation pretty conclusively.

 

So Mazda will celebrate their big anniversary with a whole lot of nothing? Good work.

 

RE is finished will not happen period as a stand alone, seriously who will buy one, by 2022 (a guess) anything gasoline powered will be a banned in so many countries (particularly Europe) unless it gets 50 MPG.
As I have said before and the current Mazda Japan CEO has said right from the start, they have to make 100,000 units a year for it to be viable. They have not done that RE volume since first RX-7.

All the RE has done is cost, cost and more cost...as long as Mazda remains small and it looks like they will with some of the dumb decisions they make, they will never afford to build a RE only car ever again...or Toyota takes total control of Mazda, and that is more on the cards than ever before. Toyota want to be #1 again...then Toyota 'may' stump up some cash for a REAL RE., but then it all comes back to sales again, who will buy one?

 

This guy. Right here.

Alas, my e92 m3 that I bought as an insurance policy that no new rx ever comes out is becoming quite the smart purchase.

 

Yep. Mazda confirms no rotary car for the foreseeable future.

 

If this were even remotely true, then WHY THE FRACK does Mazda make the CX-3 and the CX-9? Do either one of those hit 100k units per year? No, they don't.

CX-9 - YTD sales in the US - 18,089
CX-3 - YTD Sales in the US - 11,981
CX-9 - YTD sales in Canada - 2,884
CX-3 - YTD Sales in Canada - 7,940

Hell, lets throw in the Mazda 6 sales.

US - 27,850
Canada - 2,011

Now the Miata:

US - 9,717
Canada - 1,086

Is Mazda selling 70k+ CX-9's and CX-3's EACH in other markets around the world every year, more than in the US? I highly doubt it.

The 100k units a year requirement is just 100% pure bullshit.
You KNOW it, and yet you're saying it, too.

BC.

 

Now I see why gwilliams6 wouldn't take 9krpmrx8's or my bet. His well-honed journalistic instincts told him he would lose. I wonder if he'll admit he was wrong?

You didn't even have to wait one whole year...

 

If Mazda management at the top had been committed to spend the money it could have had a chance by 2020. But by the time this corporate vision has the money after 2020 for another sports car it will be all too late for the rotary as emission standards and demands for electric and hybrid cars will drive the market and even laws.

I still believed Mazda wanted more for the rotary than only a range-extender. My belief wasn't wrong, Mazda's vision since the RXVision comcept was launched has changed, as has their new partnerships which are now driving their future product lines.

This thread was earnestly addressed by many of us that held out hope as Mazda rolled out their RXVision concept and did the talk, but ultimately financially and spiritually Mazda wasn't up to the task. What will happen to what comes out of that small group still working on the engine, who knows.

So we RX8 and RX7 owners may be the last of the breed, so be it. Enjoy !

 

Thanks for quoting, I can't see his posts, But yeah a rotary powered sports car just makes no sense, I don't know how people could think that it would ever happen again. Mazda had their chance at redemption and blew it. They should focus on a new halo car, one that makes sense.

 

If mazda could build a 2 rotor that's all aluminium and makes an easy 300hp it would be one of the best engines possible for a sportscar .

 

That's a big if. And I disagree that any 2 rotor would be the best engine possible for a sports car.

 

What about the sales in Japan, EU and other markets?

Global sales should add up to 100k units for their practical cars.

It makes more sense than any other possible applications, which Mazda has already tried. I mean, they made a small bus with a rotary engine at one point. Yep.

What "makes sense" according to you? The ones that everyone else is already doing? Then buy one of those, done.

What would be the best in your opinion?

 

LOL damn didn't know that!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_Parkway

 

Fun fact: the Parkway 26 actually had 2 engines in it; the bus itself is driven by the 13B rotary, but there is a 1.0L I4 in the back that powers the heating, air-conditioning and other accessories. The rotary has enough trouble moving the bus as it is.

They also tried putting rotary engines in pickup trucks and sell them in the states, but that also didn't work that well. The low-torque, high-revving nature of rotary sucks in these applications.

Personally, I think these smaller Japanese sports cars actually have a better chance in the future. Want torque? EVs will blow any ICE out of the water, and can easily outrun most ICE cars just built for straight-line performance, with better weight distribution. What EVs lack is the light weight of Japanese sports cars; batteries are still bricks with the technology we have. Tesla Model S is at least 4400 pounds, for reference.

I'd prefer Mazda to keep making sports cars with Colin Chapman's philosophy. Don't focus on power, focus on the handling and the lightweight.

 

How about a flat plane crank V8? Oh no, let me guess you would still rather have a torqueless wonder.

 

So what? V8s are easily outrun by EVs.

You can't fight against a drive train that release more than 90% of its peak torque at 1 RPM, period.

Yes, at this point, give me a good handling car. If I want speed, again, I would go for an EV.

 

Outrun for a minute maybe.

 

I do like muscles and would prefer an ICE, but the reason just boils down to they sound good, I like driving stick shift and I personally don't feel much for luxury Sedans, all of which are subjective.

And if you are gonna argue that EVs have cooling issues on the track, yes, that's true, but cars like Challenger Demon are more of a drag strip car anyway.

I don't think Mazda has any experience in building a V8, and again, I would rather Mazda not repeat what a bunch of other car companies are already doing. Leave the V8 to American muscles.

 

They don't have cooling issues, they just run out of juice. Oh and they handle like dog ****. Unless you are talking about hybrids and not EV.

 

They do have cooling issues... Mostly because they don't really have cooling.

Charging can be a pain, but if you have a garage and can install a charger, you can charge it at night.

I don't think muscles are exactly good at handling, either. Those Mustang crashes are very hilarious to watch.

 

Whaaat? You're suggesting 6000 lb cars don't handle well? I'm shocked!

(My 3/4 ton, 4x4, four-door, six-passenger, 600-mile-range, 10,000-lb-pulling, 395 HP V8 Dodge Hemi truck weighs less.)

Those crashes are due to talentless assclowns being stupid in public, not the muscles of the car. Mustangs actually handle very well.