9krpmrx8

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"Journalism"

ASH8

Diesels are confirmed for US market, summer next year.

Kiyoshi Fujiwara comments are a vague as can be regarding the 'return' of the Rotary.
At least he is still saying he 'prefers' a pure RE only sports car with no other add ons (electric power).
If Mazda attempts anything else it will be a public failure.

For me he has said nothing positive, and the so called 2020 celebration or whatever anniversary is closing fast.

wannawankel

Maybe we need to descend on MazdaUSA HQ and block the parking lot and roads with RX 7/8s. That might be a + message to Mazda.

NotAPreppie

Or LS-swapped RX's.

gwilliams6

Fujiwara " said no decision had yet been made on whether to employ turbocharging for the new generation rotary, something that indicates the earliest we could see it would be about 2020 – coincidentally the 100th anniversary of Mazda.

Fujiwara ruled out a rotary hybrid initially, highlighting that the weight of the batteries and the hybrid system would detract from the rotary sports car philosophy of light weight.

“Most of the rotary fans … are waiting for a pure sports car without any electrification,” he said. “As a first step I’d like to try the pure [version of rotary].”

Hmmm, seems like it just may be a 2020 model as I predicted. Whatever the model year, it is going to happen, and all the naysayers and doubters here on this forum will NOT stop Mazda from fulfilling its own vision. A vision that includes a rotary sport car and a vision that takes Mazda upscale with some more expensive models. Just be patient folks, it will happen !

sonicsdaman

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#makemazdabrapagain

Bladecutter

Actually, we should either show up with cold hard cash, or show up with the cars we had to buy instead of a new Mazda Sports Car.

That's the only message Mazda will ever understand.

BC.

wankelbolt

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So... Wanna bet on that?

NotAPreppie

Your conclusions are not backed up by actual evidence. Again. Still.

Fujiwara is stating what he'd like, not what whatever Mazda's internal product management body is planning to bring to market.

“The RX-Vision is our vision model for our company … therefore the future I’d like to introduce the rotary engine into RX-Vision [production] models,” said Fujiwara.

This line makes me think that Mazda are proceeding with RX-VISION plans sans rotary and that Fujiwara is trying to get whatever product committee is in charge to sign off on a rotary application for it.

Honestly, I'm beginning to wonder if Fujiwara and the rest of the rotary fanbois inside Mazda are trying to do an end-run around whatever the internal roadblocks are. It's possible that the endless teasing is just trying to whip into a frenzy what few remaining rotary fans are left so that they can say, "See? There's a YUGE demand for it."

If true, it's a dangerous gambit.
Failing to bring a rotary to market will hurt the brand.

Bring a rotary to market that is a technical success but a sales failure will probably to significantly damage the internal political position of the rotary fans inside Mazda.

Bring a rotary to market that is a technical failure (e.g. the Renesis) and it will damage the internal rotary camp AND hurt the brand.

NotAPreppie

I could show up with my RX-8 and tell them that I'm both the 1st and 4th owner of the car.

That's not the message I want to send, though. I want them to put the RX-8 chassis back into production with a SkyActiv 2.5 for the base model ($25k), SkyActiv 2.5T for the upgraded model ($35k) and Ford's new EcoBoost 2.7T for the limited production Mazdaspeed version ($45k).

But I'd settle for a practical 2+2 4-door sports car with a 300hp/250tq rotary for $35k-$40k that lasts more than 100k miles.

I'm not holding my breath for any of this to happen.

New Yorker

Your interpretation of the facts suggests there's a job awaiting you at Fox "News".

wannawankel

My only $0.02 is that the new RX-9 should have all the sexiness and power + that the FD3S had but with a 2+2 seating config - even if the rear seats are small. The RX-8 sold well due to 4 usable seats and daily drivability.

gwilliams6

I realize some of you will never believe Mazda will do it. That is fine with me. Just be willing to admit you were mistaken if and when it happens. I will bet on Mazda .

No noise from this RX8 forum will stop Mazda from fulfilling their corporate vision,period. The RX7/RXVision is not necessarily for the current RX8 crowd.

9krpmrx8

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Yes, some of us are realistic and others put value in truck loads of bullshit.

NotAPreppie

It isn't a matter of belief. I don't believe Mazda will or won't do anything. Based on the evidence (or lack) I don't expect them to produce an RX-9. I also don't expect them to produce the MX-8 that I really want. And, as I've said many times, I'll re-evaluate my position in light of new evidence.

I really don't know why you keep asking that. I mean, are you trying to provoke an argument? Did you not read it the many times I and others have said it? Seriously, give it a rest.

We're not trying to stop them from doing it, you dingbat. None of us really believes that we can influence Mazda in any way. I really don't understand why you think we're rooting against it. Is your perception of nuance really THAT lacking?

gwilliams6

All the words and long-winded arguments to the contrary here don't recognize the simple thing, which is not rocket science. Mazda's stated vision and corporate will is to make this car, and take Mazda upscale with some of their models, so they will. That doesn't need any further evidence. I will always bet on Mazda and its engineers, over any and all doubters here.

If and when this RX7/RXVision comes out some here will like it, others will not. Some here will be willing to pay the price for it, some will not be willing to pay the price for it.

New RX7/RXVision owners will start up their own club and forum, or be welcomed into the current RX7 forums.

I hope by then some RX8 folks here will have finally gotten over this pointless discussion about why it won't ever happen.

For me, I will be saving my money to get one and make it my eighth RX.

This discussion likely has no definitive conclusion before 2020 models are officially introduced, so chill out folks, relax and just be patient. Mazda will deliver the real answer,not anyone making real arguments or not, here in the RX8 Club forum. LOL

RX8Soldier

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This is directed at no one in particular. Just a funny...

9krpmrx8

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I wish Mazda focused it's vision on making a reliable Renesis 15 years ago. Then maybe they could sell another rotary sports car. But they didn't and now it's too late.

wannawankel

I wonder if they could sell the RX-Vision rotary engine, have it be screaming awesome and filled with insane power, be very inefficient, and the like if they launched it under a new Company division such that it might get small volume status/exemption from the EPA? Does anyone know the rules?

New Yorker

Correction: they did.

sinkas

+1 I would like to hear what mazda thinks internally about what happened. IT was like it was 1971 again and nsu ro80s and rx2s were shitting themselves on street corners

77mjd

Don't forget Ford likely had a big hand in Mazda pushing the RX-8 to market probably sooner than it should have been.

77mjd

If the volume is small enough, I think the companies just pay a fine per vehicle sold. Obviously, that fine is already built into the price they charge for the car. I believe that's how brands like Porsche and Ferrari get by.

wankelbolt

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* Your mileage may vary.

9krpmrx8

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He drives his RX-8 3000 miles a year, so of course he thinks they are all reliable,