200.mph

iTrader: (9)

well any smart rotary owner is catless anyway 9k. we should get an exception

NotAPreppie

Why?

BigCajun

iTrader: (1)

Well, the whole EPA, the thing is, they're losers, and nobody likes losers,
the climate thing, that's made up too, we're going to expose the greenhouse thing, cause clean air, you know, Chiiina.

200.mph

iTrader: (9)

ironic the tree hugging hippie is catless. put down the doob and take a shower ya filthy hippie

BigCajun

iTrader: (1)

It ain't Saturday yet.

And my '95 pickup has a cat.
If I didn't think it might kill my engine, I'd put one back on.

zoom44

oh ffs people he didnt say there was not going to be a new rotary powered sports car. in fact he said nothing new. he answered a question about a hybrid sports car. Mazda has already stated multiple times that their stance is that a hybrid sports car is not in their future. they just don't see them as being as dynamic as they want in a Mazda sports car. not enough Jinba Ittai in a hybrid sports car

so no new info in that answer. the rest is the same stuff they say every time when someone tries to get them to comment on future product when they aren't making an announcement. it amounts to "we're saying things to be polite but we really have nothing to announce at this time."

the 'journalists' all know that's what they mean but write headlines to get the clicks anyway.

he's actually saying 'nothing to see here, move along, move along' as politely as he can. in his head i'm sure he is calling the guy a ***** for asking the same **** yet again.

77mjd

Sometimes I wonder why they won't say anything. It's not like announcing an RX-9 that's 3 years away is going to cannibalize sales of anything else in their lineup. If anything, it could bring the brand more attention.

zoom44

did you purposely misquote that line? because the question was clearly about a range extended hybrid hybrid sports car

http://www.autonews.com/article/2016...-move-upmarket

why does yours leave out the "with a range extender"?

fmzambon

The AN article was updated after I made that quote. When I wrote that post the question was as I quoted it, without the "with a range extender" part.

But it seems like almost everyone here enjoys the idea that the Rx-8 is the last ever rotary powered car, so I couldn't be bothered to update the quote.

I also posted that video with a clarification interview that no one cared about.

ASH8

ffs

ASH8

http://jalopnik.com/mazda-ceo-says-n...ppe-1789708685

No plans for a larger sports car entry?

No.

fmzambon

That is a copy & paste from the AN article before AN edited it adding that "with a range extender" part to the question.

ASH8

Really, is that right, who would have thunked...the media ever changing it's mind or selective editing ..

The only consistent thing Kogai has said is NO, his views on the RE has not changed either.
He is the guy who gives the green light, no one else.

IF they cant sell 100K it wont happen as it is not viable, (Kogai, it wont happen).
IF they cant make it gas economical...it wont happen (Kogai, it wont happen).
IF it cant be a RE powered car only car...it wont happen (Kogai, it wont happen).

IF they cant get emissions down way lower for 2025+ levels it wont happen (remember any NEW engine is for 10 years emission and production life cycle).
Mazda is a world company not just for US, it exports to the world, EU COg per kilometre standards would make the car tax for any new RE extremely prohibitive.
Last RX-8 was 280g per KM, a SA-G piston engine Mazda averages 120 or less (if diesel), and must go lower to below 100g per KM in 2025 or they (Mazda) get fined (tax on retail price) and the owner road tax is much higher per year in EU.
Last RX-8 (2011) was 400GBP ($500 USD) per year in UK just for road tax.

So I will say this again, how is Mazda going to reduce CO/gPkm by well over half of the last Renesis (from 280g to 120g min), install the 16X larger displacement, and use way less gas (and yeah I know about the turbo)...and still pass all the regulatory stuff until at least 2030.

They will not make any new Rotary only for US market, it has to be for Worldwide export, I still can not see any sound business case, except a folly of wishful thinking....I want one too, I really do.

The Vision is and was a or an 'exercise in beautiful design concept' nothing more or less, it did not even have any RE engine in it ffs.

IMO MO has not changed.

NotAPreppie

Right, which still leaves us with... nothing. No news on a rotary sports car. No evidence.

And, without evidence, there is no support for the claim that Mazda will produce another rotary sports car.

That said, they did blow my idea of a rotary hybrid sports car (in the vein of a Fisker Karma) out of the water. So, I guess gwilliams6 can claim a victory there.

ASH8

Agree, but as we know Mazda has a pretty tight *** when it comes to leaking, they will when they are ready.

The 2020 era of 'celebrations' is getting pretty close, it is next year they should be revealing a prototype if one will exist.

Tokyo Motorshow October 27th, 2017 is the usual fanfare, then a 2020 release date.

Not long to wait....never before has Mazda not produced any Rotary Engines, BTW the full brand new Japan assembled/made RE Short Block for Series 2 is NLL (NLA) in Mazda EPC...and is also NLA worldwide (inc US).

I not talking the reman crap that comes out of USA.

wannawankel

what does "BTW the full brand new Japan assembled/made RE Short Block for Series 2 is NLL (NLA) in Mazda EPC" mean?

9krpmrx8

iTrader: (46)

It means that you cannot buy a new rotary from Mazda any longer.

hornbm

iTrader: (1)

That doesn't always mean forever. For example, mazda recently started selling NEW 13B-REW shortblocks again.

9krpmrx8

iTrader: (46)

Ash8 is the parts guy so I'll let him verify that but I highly doubt that. IIRC, back in the day even dealer replaced REW's were remans.

hornbm

iTrader: (1)

It's true, for example, you can buy one here, with a 12,000 mile warranty from Mazda themselves. Ignore the fact that the URL has remanufactured in the URL. Read the page.

Mazda 13BREW Engine, NEW | IRPerformance

The rumor is they are running short of parts to make reman motors and had to start pumping out new motors again to get more parts from core motors to make remans again.

9krpmrx8

iTrader: (46)

That's cool. AFAIK though, the 12/12 warranty only applies if the engine is dealer installed. At least that is the way it was on the Renesis.

77mjd

I can already see Mazda's big announcement for the 2020 celebration. Not 1, but 2 limited edition colors for the MX-5. Party on!

ASH8

Yes it is forever....Mazda USA is just selling off old new 13B-REW Stocks they have had for 20 years.

What it means is JAPAN no longer assembles any new RE Short Blocks for sale out of Japan and they are no longer listed for sale, so you (or the local Mazda Distributor) can no longer buy them for Dealers to use or to retail from Japan.

Funny you should say about NEW 13B-REW's, when I bought my spare S2 Engine (made from Japan, Not a reman) through Montgomery Mazda (Jason Baggie) about 5 years ago (who is at Subaru), Jason said that Mazda Parts (in North America) has a heap of brand new Japan made 13B-REW's, I think from memory 24 or could have been 48 (units) of original REW's sitting in crates, these were from Japan, NOT local remans....I was surprised then.

So hornbm, I suggest but can not confirm MNAO (Mazda Parts) are selling off these REW new stocks, why would they keep them for 20+ years, pointless.
I thought it strange back then that they would have all that money sitting there and so many.
I think he (Jason) said there were not even selling 1 unit per year (an FD engine), just tucked away in parts warehouse..

I know Mazda Australia Parts has no RE engines from Japan left and MME are probably similar, as they are no longer listed in Genuine Mazda Global EPC (parts catalog) as an available part.
NLL = no longer listed, NLA = no longer available.

Here you go, this is the last listing of the OEM S2 Japan made/assembled Short Block (Mazda 6 port) genuine Part Number as shown by a US Mazda Dealer as N/A.
https://www.parkmazdaoemparts.com/pa...&siteid=215334

And here is the same engine but the locally reman from the Virginia Mazda rem-plant.
https://www.parkmazdaoemparts.com/pa...&siteid=215334


So apart from what Mazda Distributors may have in stocks around the globe, there are No Japan made Rotary Engine assembled anymore, so all that talent (tech assembly) has moved on or retired from MMC Japan, I have never known them to ever stop this assembly line totally, been like that now for some years.

Obviously individual OEM Rotary Engine Spare Parts are and will be still made in Japan and made available worldwide.

I had this discussion with Admin once before where it was suggested Mazda must make an engine available for 10 years once a model stops, well as I said then and now, maybe for the US but not for rest of world and in the case of RX-8's only remans are now available (in USA) and we know how consistently build these are.
So yes there is still an engine available, just not all brand new, a reman and that was my point.
Obviously the individual parts will be made for longer than 10 years, my talk then and now was about complete assemblies, like Transmission Assembles and Diff Assemblies, once stocks run out you can not buy them from Mazda Japan....only the smalls (parts).

ASH8

Well there you go, I should have read down thread more before I ranted...

Obviously Mazda Parts (in USA) has sold off some or all of their last stocks of brand new 13B-REW's to these guys..
Mazda 13BREW Engine, NEW | IRPerformance

Having said that Part Number listed is not a genuine Mazda one but a locally made up one, Genuine for me is what comes out of Japan, not parts sourced locally and sold by Mazda Parts as genuine or reman.
Never seen a Red OEM parts label before in over 40 years...it is local and not a EPC listed one.

I have the links somewhere, where Mazda in North America has clean outs 'in lots' of various parts at Auctions real cheap every few years, have seen the PDF part number lists and sometimes I am surprised at what they (MNAO Parts) are liquidating as some parts are still very new model stuff and have not worn out yet.
But Dead Stock is always an issue, and why the cost of OEM parts are so expensive as the investment is so huge, it is very easy for small shops to specialise and cherry pick.

Try stocking 7,000 plus of individual OEM line items (as a Dealer) and the cost of keeping on a shelve, and the control of and sale of....someone pays.

EDIT: Well here you go, a US Mazda Dealer is showing the exact same engine as red part number listed cheaper than IR Performance (I guess he has to make quid too).
And it supersedes to another made up part number, I wonder if Mazda Dealer can get stocks..

https://www.parkmazdaoemparts.com/pa...&siteid=215334

The superseded new part number is a Reman (from Mazda Parts NAO).

https://www.parkmazdaoemparts.com/pa...&siteid=215334

Still very cheap @ $2351.

ASH8

And a bit more digging will find the actual original OE Mazda 13B-REW shown as still available from Mazda Parts USA (and it is not N/A like the S2 is).

https://www.parkmazdaoemparts.com/pa...&siteid=215334

And about $1,150 more..to me this is the OEM all new out of Japan, all the other REW's are remans from a Part Number point of view, so what is exactly inside the box.....and if it is available?, and for FD Turbo that is a GREAT PRICE.

Mazmart Paul, where are you?, do you know if these are still available from any US Mazda Dealers?....only the N332-02-200B