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Old 11-29-2018, 05:26 AM
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Mazda rotary sports car ‘still a dream’, no work started

https://www.caradvice.com.au/707715/...-work-started/

Well here we go again..

And as I have said for tha past almost decade the RE is dead..

Cant meet emission for WORLD use.
No Business Case, No money.
Who will buy it...we will all be dead, it will be Rotary What Made by Who..

And the classics...

“In terms of developing [a rotary sports car] as a product, we haven’t started yet,” Hirose said. (Which makes one wonder what this mule was about.)

“We continuously develop the rotary engine technology [but], worldwide, their are so many environmental regulations, so many thing are happening there, so we have to provide the technologies to be able to comply with all those environmental requirements,” he added, despite conceding the brand is not yet willing to leap entirely into EVs.

“The business case, is the biggest issue. I don’t think it's impossible to make this kind of rotary sports car, if many customer purchase [other] Mazda vehicles to get the funding to get this sports vehicle.

“Of course the vehicle program must be making a viable business case [by itself] for sure, but we have to have the starting funding to develop the model in the first place. Without that, we can't even begin the work.”, by itself will never happen.

Mazda will celebrate its 100th anniversary in 2020, when the new RX sports car was rumoured to be unveiled. Whilst that may still be the case in yet another concept form (see RX-Vision), but it’s unlikely the production-ready vehicle will see the light of day in the foreseeable future, if ever.


RIP RE
And Mazda you can stick your silly RE Range Extender thing.
It will never sell well.
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Just a pipe dream.



And they shouldn't spend another penny on a stupid "Vision' concept that would only troll and **** off rotary enthusiasts.

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Yeah I figured 2020 wouldn't be realistic.

BTW I read that last time they said something like there won't be a rotary sports car, their stock price dropped. I can't be sure, but after that they have always taken the yes-but-no approach.

Frankly I will be happy to see something like an NA rotary option for a Miata to give it some extra kicks, but even that's a pipe dream.

And whenever there is an auto event involving Mazda, this question will be asked. No way around it.

BC: The Vision concept was already renamed Vision Coupe with no RX- in the front, so what's the complaint?

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You must be new.
For about a year before the concept, they kept dropping hints about a new rotary sports car.

In 2015 they unveiled the RX Vision, they trolled us BIG TIME.

https://insidemazda.mazdausa.com/maz...s-car-concept/

We had weeks & weeks of excited discussions about it
Then when they had enough interest and gave all the enthusiasts a giant woodie, it's "Nope, just kidding, it's just a 'vision'."

So they can take their concepts & stick it up their banzai.

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I heard the new Skyactiv-R has one.
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Originally Posted by BigCajun View Post
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For about a year before the concept, they kept dropping hints about a new rotary sports car.

In 2015 they unveiled the RX Vision, they trolled us BIG TIME.

https://insidemazda.mazdausa.com/maz...s-car-concept/

We had weeks & weeks of excited discussions about it
Then when they had enough interest and gave all the enthusiasts a giant woodie, it's "Nope, just kidding, it's just a 'vision'.

So they can take their concepts & stick it up their banzai.
I am aware of the RX-Vision.

And with this logic, every manufacturer is a troll because they can't bring their concepts to production.

I actually think some of the older higher-ups who have some emotional attachments in Mazda may genuinely want this to happen as much as you do, but the bean counters won't let it. That and the aforementioned emission problems. They have to meet them before they can even sell it.

I mean hell, even Toyota needs a hand from BMW in reviving the Supra, and Toyota is a much bigger manufacturer with much higher volume sales. Oh and not a lot of people like the rebadged Z... I mean Supra successor.

If you can't stop getting salty then I suggest you stop paying attention to any events involving Mazda. As mentioned, someone will ask them this question every time, and they have to give the same answer every time.

If you want a manufacturer that makes whatever the **** they want to, consider Porsche or McLaren. Gotta pay to play.

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I am aware of the RX-Vision.

And with this logic, every manufacturer is a troll because they can't bring their concepts to production.

I actually think some of the older higher-ups who have some emotional attachments in Mazda may genuinely want this to happen as much as you do, but the bean counters won't let it. That and the aforementioned emission problems. They have to meet them before they can even sell it.

I mean hell, even Toyota needs a hand from BMW in reviving the Supra, and Toyota is a much bigger manufacturer with much higher volume sales. Oh and not a lot of people like the rebadged Z... I mean Supra successor.

If you can't stop getting salty then I suggest you stop paying attention to any events involving Mazda. As mentioned, someone will ask them this question every time, and they have to give the same answer every time.
If you read the article, they said it WOULD have the new Skyactiv-R engine.
They even hinted it would be a TURBO.

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-new...o-likely-36573

So yeah, I don't give s damn about any more concepts, reality only.
Your argument here is the same stuff that's been repeated ad nauseum about this hoax.
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Okay BC you really need a Snicker bar.

I mean my arguments are all there is to say, really.

And let's be real here: assume that the RX-Vision makes it to production. How much do you think it's gonna be priced? My guess is that it's at least worth a new Corvette, probably more, so unless anyone can put down this kind of money right now, there isn't anything for us to complain about.
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You asked me what the problem was, I told you.
You weren't here for all the buildup, then all of the excitement for the unveiling where they made it sound like it was going to happen, then the big letdown.

I said in the early discussions I wouldn't be able to afford a new one, used is a different story with how fast depreciation sets in.

Even if I couldn't afford one, the way they handled it was wrong.
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makes me want to go buy one of the two fds by my house
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makes me want to go buy one of the two fds by my house
They probably won't get any cheaper.
The yellow ones are tempting, but I like mine too.
I saw a blue one here a couple weeks ago, lowered, stupid stanced wheels with Bondo all over the fenders and quarterpanels.
Sad.
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nah both by me are really clean and 5min in either direction from my house. the **** part is i could buy the truck i want/need for the price
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Ever notice how all this RE **** from so called 'Journalists' comes out of AUSTRALIAN Websites...

I wonder why, probably because we are half a day ahead of you guys.....roll eyes.

And yes it has ALWAYS been about share price, Mazda has been letting the RE world down 'gently', this is typical Mazda..
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In a few Years we will SEE the HEADLINE.... THE FUTURE

MAZDA RX-9 LIVES!..

Then we will all get so excited, us oldies **** our pants in excitement, the real oldies will **** themselves..........

and the young buck studs will go, na, what Rotary!!??, didn't they always blow up and were gas guzzlers, I remember my grandfather had one of those 4 door Rotaries, I think it was called an RS-8, but that was before Mazda was bought out by Toyota way back in 2022 after the last great world depression #2 *. Those RS-8's are collectors items and worth a fortune 'if' you can find one, but who can afford the gas @ $95.00 a gallon, Everyone ''drives'' self driving electric pods, Cars with steering wheels (I think that is what they were called) were banned in 2030 as they are a hazard to the DTG (Digital Transport Grid). The Year now is 2040, only one pod maker exists in every country as Autonomous self drive pods are all made to an exact same standard design blueprint, same pod for everyone.

* The cause of the last depression was world take up of cryptocurrencies after the collapse of world stock markets/shares/stocks/companies and paper currencies which became worthless after the crypto takeover.


Just me with a bit of fiction which may become a reality..?
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Nothing is permanent, but I think there will be human driven internal combustion engine cars for many years to come.
Not everyone can afford a new car, and they've been saying we're running out of fossil fuel for 40 years.

Also, Americans are stubborn as hell, see the Metric System.

I'm not falling for any more rotary concept BS.
I'll get excited when the first one rolls off the production line.
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and then you get stuff like this

Mazda May Apply Skyactiv-X Technology to a Rotary Engine

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So when I had a chance to talk with Mazda’s vice president of R&D and design Masashi Otsuka at the LA Auto Show, I had to see what the company was up to in the spinning-dorito-space. What he told me is that there’s a chance that tech from the “Holy Grail” Skyactiv-X engine could make its way into a rotary.
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Nothing is permanent, but I think there will be human driven internal combustion engine cars for many years to come.
Not everyone can afford a new car, and they've been saying we're running out of fossil fuel for 40 years.

Also, Americans are stubborn as hell, see the Metric System.

I'm not falling for any more rotary concept BS.
I'll get excited when the first one rolls off the production line.
Well the metric system conversion has a big issue: cost. It would have cost trillions of dollars to perform such a conversion.

I personally just don't trust self-driving yet. We will see how quickly the technology evolves.

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What's the compression ratio for the Skyactiv-X engine?

I have read that Wankels are capable of about 11 max by design. Rolls Royce's concept diesel Wankel had a rotor as a compressor for this reason.
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So you're saying there's a chance.

Nope, not falling for it.
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Originally Posted by UnknownJinX View Post
What's the compression ratio for the Skyactiv-X engine?

I have read that Wankels are capable of about 11 max by design. Rolls Royce's concept diesel Wankel had a rotor as a compressor for this reason.
skyactive is at 16:1 i think

The RX8 Wankel (eccentricity 15mm, rotor radius 105mm, chamber width 80mm), with 654cc per chamber, has a theoretical maximum compression ratio of 18.3.
In practice it drops below 17 due to the necessary gap between the parts (thermal expansion, bearing clearance, manufacturing accuracy of the parts, space for the sealing "rings", clearance in the internal-external gearing, bending of the power shaft etc).

in reality they keep them lower than 10:1 cause there is little power to be made in raising it.

I'd put it into the plausible category, don't forget tho that the skyactiv diesel is at an all time low of 14:1 who wouldn't want to roll coal in a dorito
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Originally Posted by sonicsdaman View Post
skyactive is at 16:1 i think

The RX8 Wankel (eccentricity 15mm, rotor radius 105mm, chamber width 80mm), with 654cc per chamber, has a theoretical maximum compression ratio of 18.3.
In practice it drops below 17 due to the necessary gap between the parts (thermal expansion, bearing clearance, manufacturing accuracy of the parts, space for the sealing "rings", clearance in the internal-external gearing, bending of the power shaft etc).

in reality they keep them lower than 10:1 cause there is little power to be made in raising it.

I'd put it into the plausible category, don't forget tho that the skyactiv diesel is at an all time low of 14:1 who wouldn't want to roll coal in a dorito
Thanks for the info sonic.

Just makes me wonder if the spontaneous combustions diesel engines/Skyactiv-X engines can be replicated in the rotary engine with the combustion chamber shape. Sounds possible and that could solve the flame spread issue in the rotary engine.

BTW I hate rolling coals. Spitting flames are 100x cooler.
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I used to get butthurt reading all the comments about "no more new rotary engine cars". In all honesty, I couldn't care less nowadays. Just build me a fun, efficient, and torquey powertrain, then slap it into a RWD or AWD car that is capable of hitting 0-60 in the low 4 second range. God damn, even Hyundai/Kia is kicking *** with their Stinger/G70 sedan.
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I think it's all the little nuances of the RX8 that I really like.
That, and it's paid for.
I'm at a point in my life that it would take a lot for me to make another major purchase.
It would have to be something special.
Until then I'll try to keep mine going as long as possible, still love it.
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Originally Posted by SayNoToPistons View Post
I used to get butthurt reading all the comments about "no more new rotary engine cars". In all honesty, I couldn't care less nowadays. Just build me a fun, efficient, and torquey powertrain, then slap it into a RWD or AWD car that is capable of hitting 0-60 in the low 4 second range. God damn, even Hyundai/Kia is kicking *** with their Stinger/G70 sedan.
This might actually happen.

I read that Mazda 6 may go RWD(rumours say after 2025), which is good because I am sick of the tire squeals of the 6 2.5T I test drove.

Originally Posted by BigCajun View Post
I think it's all the little nuances of the RX8 that I really like.
That, and it's paid for.
I'm at a point in my life that it would take a lot for me to make another major purchase.
It would have to be something special.
Until then I'll try to keep mine going as long as possible, still love it.
Part of the reason I bought my 8.

I mean it ain't quick or anything but it's a very unique car. That and like a lot of RX-8 owners quickly nod at each other when we drive past.
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