LMP2 Mazda Update?
10-24-2006, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Renesis_8
Is the rotary still banned from running the 24hours LeMans?? The turbo 4 if it runs well would get an invitation to Le Mans.
10-24-2006, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by rotary crazy
agrred, but I do belive thats why this car was put toghether in such a hurry, the class was almost empty
10-24-2006, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by rotary crazy
In 2005 the car was pretty close to a Championship, the car did not run 2 races and did not finish another and I think only one car finish this race, most of this races with only 3 cars in lmp2, if they would have race all races in the season they would have being very close to winning the championship.
so they only needed to show up and start the race to get a podium, I think this is why this team was put together in such a hurry.
so they only needed to show up and start the race to get a podium, I think this is why this team was put together in such a hurry.
See Mazda should’ve recognized this from the very beginning, and prepared a full factory effort two car RE team, with appropriate chassis, and engine preparation, rather than helping fund a very enthusiastic privateer team. But see, there was no real need for this in the beginning.
Remember that racing for most factories now-a-days is about marketing, and marketing about winning. If you’re not winning, it does a factory no good! Unfortunately, it looks like the RE will fall victim to the ineffectual use of the very limited resources and experience all parties brought to the table here. To win, everything on a team (including the factory) must be in harmony, and totally committed and focused on victory, and unfortunately in this soap-opera it doesn’t seem that this was the case! The RE, if it dies here, was unfairly saddled with issues beyond its control!
-Bern
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10-24-2006, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Senna
Seems that they could have come up with a more sensible/effective method for promoting the Rx-8. Such as putting more emphasis in the Rolex Series GT class.
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If anything the lack of success with the P2 car might have been more of a negative influence.
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Generally though, they haven't made an all out commitment. But according to Dennis Spencer...." Mazda is working around the clock on sponsorship options." What does this tell you? 
-Bern
10-24-2006, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Senna
I think I'd prefer to get some podiums and be competitive in a class with 8-10 cars than win the class that has only 3 cars.
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10-24-2006, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Renesis_8
Is the rotary still banned from running the 24hours LeMans?? The turbo 4 if it runs well would get an invitation to Le Mans.
-Bern
10-24-2006, 07:54 PM
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LoL, I like your choice of words..
Anyways, thanks for the posts above, good post.
I wonder Mazda would ever pursuit strongly at the professional racing level again, with full factory backed race cars. This point I am about to bring up could be shallow and without depth, but read on anywas please
Seeing Mazda is now finished with the Gran-AM ST class and moving to Gran-AM GT, its a good thing that they're pursuiting something more challenging, although still not fully factory backed, but Speedsource and MNAO seems to be good partners and are successful. However, where are the advertisment? Did they make any use of the triple crown victory? And, why dont they still run in the ST class to defend the title? Could be due to insufficent funding of course. I'd like to see them defend and win every year like Audi.
But this worries me as Mazda DID WIN THE LE MANS afterall in 1991. Maybe they dont want to pursuit victory no more, and as Bern stayed, racing to them is merely advertising. The only way I see that they made use of racing in advertising is that i see the star mazda car in the RX-8 brocheur!!!... thats too little mazda!
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Anyways, thanks for the posts above, good post.
I wonder Mazda would ever pursuit strongly at the professional racing level again, with full factory backed race cars. This point I am about to bring up could be shallow and without depth, but read on anywas please
Seeing Mazda is now finished with the Gran-AM ST class and moving to Gran-AM GT, its a good thing that they're pursuiting something more challenging, although still not fully factory backed, but Speedsource and MNAO seems to be good partners and are successful. However, where are the advertisment? Did they make any use of the triple crown victory? And, why dont they still run in the ST class to defend the title? Could be due to insufficent funding of course. I'd like to see them defend and win every year like Audi.
But this worries me as Mazda DID WIN THE LE MANS afterall in 1991. Maybe they dont want to pursuit victory no more, and as Bern stayed, racing to them is merely advertising. The only way I see that they made use of racing in advertising is that i see the star mazda car in the RX-8 brocheur!!!... thats too little mazda!
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10-24-2006, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Renesis_8
LoL, I like your choice of words..
Anyways, thanks for the posts above, good post.
Anyways, thanks for the posts above, good post.
Originally Posted by Renesis_8
I wonder Mazda would ever pursuit strongly at the professional racing level again, with full factory backed race cars.
Originally Posted by Renesis_8
Seeing Mazda is now finished with the Gran-AM ST class and moving to Gran-AM GT, its a good thing that they're pursuiting something more challenging, although still not fully factory backed, but Speedsource and MNAO seems to be good partners and are successful.
Originally Posted by Renesis_8
However, where are the advertisment? Did they make any use of the triple crown victory? And, why dont they still run in the ST class to defend the title? Could be due to insufficent funding of course. I'd like to see them defend and win every year like Audi.
Originally Posted by Renesis_8
But this worries me as Mazda DID WIN THE LE MANS afterall in 1991. Maybe they dont want to pursuit victory no more, and as Bern stayed, racing to them is merely advertising. The only way I see that they made use of racing in advertising is that i see the star mazda car in the RX-8 brochure!!!... thats too little mazda!
-Bern
10-24-2006, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by bern
Now if only the full company, marketing, engineering, sales, etc.. etc.. Japan/Europe/North America got behind racing in a cohesive fashion... what miracles we wouldn't see from Mazda!!!!
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10-25-2006, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by bern
The truth is Mazda saw a low cost RE marketing opportunity in '05 with BK, and decided to support it. As stated they almost won a championship for very little... great PR/Marketing for very little investment; good business... then some other better prepared, organized, funded, etc… teams/factories saw the same thing and came and ruined the Mazda party. Next year it gets worse, with Honda coming, and Porsche upgrading their rides. Now Mazda is faced with the prospect of QUITTING or finding a way to stay in the ALMS, in some non-embarrassing fashion, again in the most cost effective and logical way possible. They are behind the eight-ball and I’m sure a way to continue the program was/is to spread (amortize) the race and marketing program cost over a very large product run, such as the MZR engine line. If it goes this way.
See Mazda should’ve recognized this from the very beginning, and prepared a full factory effort two car RE team, with appropriate chassis, and engine preparation, rather than helping fund a very enthusiastic privateer team. But see, there was no real need for this in the beginning.
Remember that racing for most factories now-a-days is about marketing, and marketing about winning. If you’re not winning, it does a factory no good! Unfortunately it looks like the RE will fall victim to the ineffectual use of the very limited resources and experience all parties brought to the table here. To win everything on a team (including the factory) must be in harmony, and totally committed and focused on victory, and unfortunately in this soap-opera it doesn’t seem that this was the case! The RE, if it dies here, was unfairly saddled with issues beyond its control!
-Bern
See Mazda should’ve recognized this from the very beginning, and prepared a full factory effort two car RE team, with appropriate chassis, and engine preparation, rather than helping fund a very enthusiastic privateer team. But see, there was no real need for this in the beginning.
Remember that racing for most factories now-a-days is about marketing, and marketing about winning. If you’re not winning, it does a factory no good! Unfortunately it looks like the RE will fall victim to the ineffectual use of the very limited resources and experience all parties brought to the table here. To win everything on a team (including the factory) must be in harmony, and totally committed and focused on victory, and unfortunately in this soap-opera it doesn’t seem that this was the case! The RE, if it dies here, was unfairly saddled with issues beyond its control!
-Bern
10-25-2006, 07:31 AM
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the thing is that if mazda feels they have a better shot with piston power go for it, I for one am tired of waching the rotary last!
Race the rotary where it is going to be competitive, and help sale cars
Race the rotary where it is going to be competitive, and help sale cars
10-25-2006, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by bern
Yes true, and I agree with you, but the end to factory racing is again marketing, which is winning or being successful... the commercial/ad would say "the WINNER"... "the CHAMPION", etc... the general public is not expected to know, or even care that there was only two cars in a class... the important thing is that you're a WINNER!! People want to hang with a winner or overachiever! See we the hardcore enthusiast are the cynical idealist who care of the "how you win"... you see we are the choir in no need of converting, we love RE regardless, and always find ways to keep loving it no matter what... Mazda knows they have us, so the important thing to Mazda is to get all those who just want to be with a WINNER!
-Bern
-Bern
Yes, very good point!
10-25-2006, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by bern
Also several rules adjustments challenged the RX-8 to a greater extent this last season. Grand-Am has made it more difficult for the 8 to win in ST, but both Sylvain and Dave have still done very well! !!!! I'm still hoping... "Koby-san where are you when we need you?!?!?!"
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10-25-2006, 11:41 AM
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10-29-2006, 02:36 AM
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Out here at Sevenstock, I asked some very high up's about the car. I didn't get anything out of them but did express my concern that we could potentially see them announce a turbo 4 cylinder. What was interesting was one such high up person in the program responded by saying "the rotary is Mazda's primary focus and future". That implies that it will still be rotary in ALMS next year. Let's hope so!
10-29-2006, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by rotarygod
Out here at Sevenstock, I asked some very high up's about the car. I didn't get anything out of them but did express my concern that we could potentially see them announce a turbo 4 cylinder. What was interesting was one such high up person in the program responded by saying "the rotary is Mazda's primary focus and future". That implies that it will still be rotary in ALMS next year. Let's hope so!
I for one hope they add another car to the team.
10-29-2006, 08:03 PM
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From what I could gather through the grapevine, the Courage is almost 300 lbs too heavy/ I don't know exactly how much power it makes but I trued my hardest to find out. I do have a better idea though. The new Speedsource 3 rotor car does 420 hp. It doesn't have the leak power the BK car has but it has a wider powerband. The Speedsource car shifts around 8500 rpm or so and the BK a little bit higher. At a guess I'd say the BK car makes 430-440 hp or so. While not exact, that should be getting close.
I met David Haskell. Great guy. He is a pleasure to talk to. Very honest and open to all of my questions. He knows his stuff. After seeing what it has taken them (speedsource) to build their 3 rotor RX-8 race car, I have nothing but respect for them and confidence in their efforts. No detail is too little and no expense has been spared to do things properly the first time. They definitely know what they are doing. Watch tme next season.
I met David Haskell. Great guy. He is a pleasure to talk to. Very honest and open to all of my questions. He knows his stuff. After seeing what it has taken them (speedsource) to build their 3 rotor RX-8 race car, I have nothing but respect for them and confidence in their efforts. No detail is too little and no expense has been spared to do things properly the first time. They definitely know what they are doing. Watch tme next season.
10-29-2006, 08:11 PM
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Wishful thinking maybe but might the secrecy have something to do with this...
If they have a next generation of rotary engine around the corner, makes sense that they might wanna race it. It would explain the secrecy as well. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Originally Posted by brillo
RG posting here. I'm too lazy to post under my name. For all of you who desperately want to hear of some new surprising news, there is some. In a way. One of the top Mazda guys was on stage speaking and said "you'll be proud of the next generation of rotary engine". What that means I don't know but we've got a rotary future!