LMP2 Mazda Update?
10-21-2006, 10:15 AM
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The race is soon!! DAMN and I am busy at that time!!!! All i can do is record 4hours on a DVD.. which = VERY BAD quality! oh man..... Btw sorry if its off topic, but can a DVD recorder record on a Dual Layer DVD??
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10-21-2006, 12:59 PM
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unfortunately, Mazda may or may not make an official announcement this weekend. The internal decisions have been made, but they may not be announced for a few weeks... let's hope they at least give us clue though.
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10-21-2006, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by bern
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the anouncer just sayd 2 chassis with piston engines for 2007, the oficial anouncement will be made in the LA auto show!!!
10-21-2006, 10:06 PM
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10-22-2006, 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by rotary crazy
the anouncer just sayd 2 chassis with piston engines for 2007, the oficial anouncement will be made in the LA auto show!!!
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10-22-2006, 01:03 AM
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so 2 Mazdas? or the C65 will still run with the rotary?
edit: I think it means 2 piston mazdas... if I read it correctly lol...
damnit MAzda.. WHY!!!! why are they ditching the rotary!!!! Very.. disappointing... I'll miss the high pitch note of the rotary, even if we dont see the Courage get on TV much, but on the background when the car is near the rotary mazda I can certainly hear it.
O well, good-bye R20B, too bad mazda didnt play with extra spark plug, DI, ceramic coat, watever.... I hope their turbo-4s will be successful, and I'll be watching Speedsource only now. Arg I feel so sad! Its a good thing that its the same 3-rotor in the GrandAm GT car, which makes the same music.
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edit: I think it means 2 piston mazdas... if I read it correctly lol...
damnit MAzda.. WHY!!!! why are they ditching the rotary!!!! Very.. disappointing... I'll miss the high pitch note of the rotary, even if we dont see the Courage get on TV much, but on the background when the car is near the rotary mazda I can certainly hear it.
O well, good-bye R20B, too bad mazda didnt play with extra spark plug, DI, ceramic coat, watever.... I hope their turbo-4s will be successful, and I'll be watching Speedsource only now. Arg I feel so sad! Its a good thing that its the same 3-rotor in the GrandAm GT car, which makes the same music.
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10-22-2006, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by bern
Well since the announcer spilled the beans, it seems that it'll be piston turbo power for the new lola chassis'
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"the decision is not made"
"TV announcement is only rumor...."
"Unreal....can assure you no decisions have been made"
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10-22-2006, 11:46 PM
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I don't believe they haven't made a decision. I have no doubt in my mind that they have. Here's what I think. I feel that they were going to announce a turbo 4 cylinder program but have decided to hold off on the announcement until after Sevenstock because they don't want all of the rotary people at their own house next week giving them crap about it.
10-22-2006, 11:47 PM
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10-23-2006, 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by rotarygod
I don't believe they haven't made a decision. I have no doubt in my mind that they have. Here's what I think. I feel that they were going to announce a turbo 4 cylinder program but have decided to hold off on the announcement until after Sevenstock because they don't want all of the rotary people at their own house next week giving them crap about it.
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10-23-2006, 02:17 AM
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Well guys what a weekend it was. I'm spent and about to hit the sack but thought I'd offer a few comments...
It was an awesome weekend despite the relatively underpaced # 8 car. ALMS is BIG TIME!!! Having the 20b there made it especially interesting but I love racing and will be there next year either way. The demeanor of the BK team was pretty evident though.
They know they don't have the car to compete and I don't expect to see the 20b next year. I asked around but everyone played it off as if they didn't know. It was sad to see the #8 struggle down the straight against the GT1 cars and get smoked by the other P2's. But I also felt a sense of pride at the fact that they were there. That engine was music to the ears. By far the loudest-you definitely knew when it was coming and had passed you.
As fast as those freakin' Audis are concerned I can't get into a car that sails by like a Star Wars hovercraft that makes no noise. Definitely not for me. Not that I don't respect what Audi engineering has accomplished because needless to say they're at the summit of racing but if you're back is turned you wouldn't even know the car went by. Anyway, it's just my personal preference but I've never liked diesel power. Congrats to Audi and their team, no doubt they have the cars to get it done.
The Creation team was a real cool, laid back bunch of Brits who invited us into their garage for an up close look and chat. Too bad more of the teams aren't as open and friendly. I was happy to see them make the podium.
The Vettes and Aston Martins were really fun to watch. The Panoz is an impressive race car. I always thought it has some resemblance to the 3rd Gen.. In person it is impressive. In all it was an incredible experience. I got to see Randy Pobst win the Speed World Challenge GT Class today. He's been a favorite driver of mine for a while so it was especially nice to see him win such a close race. He's so passionate about racing and not to mention he's a Mazda driver in the Touring class.
As for the future of the Rotary in ALMS....I hope I didn't see it's final race. But I would bet $ reports of a 2 car piston team are true. I'm just not seeing how Mazda et. al. can put together a car with a rotary engine to compete with the big guns of Penske/Porsche, Acura, and the others. I hope I'm wrong!!
I'll post a link to some pics later.
It was an awesome weekend despite the relatively underpaced # 8 car. ALMS is BIG TIME!!! Having the 20b there made it especially interesting but I love racing and will be there next year either way. The demeanor of the BK team was pretty evident though.
They know they don't have the car to compete and I don't expect to see the 20b next year. I asked around but everyone played it off as if they didn't know. It was sad to see the #8 struggle down the straight against the GT1 cars and get smoked by the other P2's. But I also felt a sense of pride at the fact that they were there. That engine was music to the ears. By far the loudest-you definitely knew when it was coming and had passed you.
As fast as those freakin' Audis are concerned I can't get into a car that sails by like a Star Wars hovercraft that makes no noise. Definitely not for me. Not that I don't respect what Audi engineering has accomplished because needless to say they're at the summit of racing but if you're back is turned you wouldn't even know the car went by. Anyway, it's just my personal preference but I've never liked diesel power. Congrats to Audi and their team, no doubt they have the cars to get it done.
The Creation team was a real cool, laid back bunch of Brits who invited us into their garage for an up close look and chat. Too bad more of the teams aren't as open and friendly. I was happy to see them make the podium.
The Vettes and Aston Martins were really fun to watch. The Panoz is an impressive race car. I always thought it has some resemblance to the 3rd Gen.. In person it is impressive. In all it was an incredible experience. I got to see Randy Pobst win the Speed World Challenge GT Class today. He's been a favorite driver of mine for a while so it was especially nice to see him win such a close race. He's so passionate about racing and not to mention he's a Mazda driver in the Touring class.
As for the future of the Rotary in ALMS....I hope I didn't see it's final race. But I would bet $ reports of a 2 car piston team are true. I'm just not seeing how Mazda et. al. can put together a car with a rotary engine to compete with the big guns of Penske/Porsche, Acura, and the others. I hope I'm wrong!!
I'll post a link to some pics later.
10-23-2006, 07:29 AM
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Put Mazda on the grill this weekend guys! Really disappointing if they are using a turbo 4.
Senna- Mazda can put together a rotary engine car. They just have to get involved versus standing from the sidelines saying 'go team". If they have a development program then they can play with all sorts of configurations to make it competitive. That and asking for a leniency in restrictions.
Senna- Mazda can put together a rotary engine car. They just have to get involved versus standing from the sidelines saying 'go team". If they have a development program then they can play with all sorts of configurations to make it competitive. That and asking for a leniency in restrictions.
10-23-2006, 10:09 AM
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well you can ask them yourself this next weekend at SS9. The BK team and car will be at the event, as will the Speed-Source RX-8.
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10-23-2006, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Tirminyl
They just have to get involved versus standing from the sidelines saying 'go team". If they have a development program then they can play with all sorts of configurations to make it competitive. That and asking for a leniency in restrictions.
I agree, IMSA should recognize the value (at least as we care to see it) of having the Rotary powerplant on the track and cut it some slack.
I hate this waiting!!!
10-23-2006, 10:49 AM
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The Renesis is easily as capable as any 4 cylinder that Mazda has right now and that includes the direct injected engine in the CX-7. I forgot how much power that engine produces in the MS3, what is it something like 265 or so? It's near there but it does it at over 1 bar of boost. While I know that turbo sizing has a big impact on that, put a bar of boost on a rotary and see what happens. I want to see an all aluminum 4 port Renesis engine with a center bearing and a turbo. Put some emphasis on the exhaust port shapes. That would kick *** and could match anything any turbo 4 that Mazda has could do. It would be light and powerful. Mazda could easily cast new housings for this purpose. If Racing Beat can do it, so can they. They could also custom make some lower compression rotors for the race engine. Direct inject it! That would be one hell of an announcement but it isn't the easy way out.
I really hope they don't go for the 4 cylinder. It's not a true Mazda race car without a rotary.
I really hope they don't go for the 4 cylinder. It's not a true Mazda race car without a rotary.
10-23-2006, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by rotarygod
The Renesis is easily as capable as any 4 cylinder that Mazda has right now and that includes the direct injected engine in the CX-7. I forgot how much power that engine produces in the MS3, what is it something like 265 or so? It's near there but it does it at over 1 bar of boost. While I know that turbo sizing has a big impact on that, put a bar of boost on a rotary and see what happens. I want to see an all aluminum 4 port Renesis engine with a center bearing and a turbo. Put some emphasis on the exhaust port shapes. That would kick *** and could match anything any turbo 4 that Mazda has could do. It would be light and powerful. Mazda could easily cast new housings for this purpose. If Racing Beat can do it, so can they. They could also custom make some lower compression rotors for the race engine. Direct inject it! That would be one hell of an announcement but it isn't the easy way out.
I really hope they don't go for the 4 cylinder. It's not a true Mazda race car without a rotary.
I really hope they don't go for the 4 cylinder. It's not a true Mazda race car without a rotary.
Now one of the main challenges I see for the stock turbo 4 cylinder is the tallish deck height of the MZR... so packaging the 4 will be a challenge, but I'm sure easily overcome with one of many race vendors who specialize in piston packages. I'm sure Mazda will contract this out and get it resolved quickly as with the Atlantic motors, if they go the 4 cylinder route...
looking at this deal more and more.... the 4 cylinder just makes sense.... but the conventional and easy way out has never been the Mazda way, in street, and even much more, their race cars!!
I hope they considered this when the decision was/is made on engine choice for their premier race car in North America!
10-23-2006, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by rotarygod
I really hope they don't go for the 4 cylinder. It's not a true Mazda race car without a rotary.
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10-23-2006, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by bern
but see... like you said, with the turbo4 they have an easier and more elegant way out that also suites their marketing needs. They basically run that engine in every vehicle they have, beyond the RX-8. They also know the motor can take a lot of boost fairly reliably; 2+ bars of boost is no issue for the MZR when built for it.
Now one of the main challenges I see for the stock turbo 4 cylinder is the tallish deck height of the MZR... so packaging the 4 will be a challenge, but I'm sure easily overcome with one of many race vendors who specialize in piston packages. I'm sure Mazda will contract this out and get it resolved quickly as with the Atlantic motors, if they go the 4 cylinder route...
looking at this deal more and more.... the 4 cylinder just makes sense.... but the conventional and easy way out has never been the Mazda way, in street, and even much more, their race cars!!
I hope they considered this when the decision was/is made on engine choice for their premier race car in North America!
Now one of the main challenges I see for the stock turbo 4 cylinder is the tallish deck height of the MZR... so packaging the 4 will be a challenge, but I'm sure easily overcome with one of many race vendors who specialize in piston packages. I'm sure Mazda will contract this out and get it resolved quickly as with the Atlantic motors, if they go the 4 cylinder route...
looking at this deal more and more.... the 4 cylinder just makes sense.... but the conventional and easy way out has never been the Mazda way, in street, and even much more, their race cars!!
I hope they considered this when the decision was/is made on engine choice for their premier race car in North America!