spork

Hmmmm... I never mentioned Toyota nor praised either Toyota or Lexus the company. Suddenly you're acting like I work for Toyota/Lexus and are trying to oppress your opinion. Interesting.

And playdoh... I agree. It's smarter for them to appeal to the larger masses, who care more about comfort and straightline performance. Though the one thing I'm surprised and disappointed by is them not allowing you to turn off the VSC.

RX8-79

Oh so THAT'S what's got your Hanes Her Way all bunched.

Just let it go, it's really not that deep. I don't think it's special so it's not at all hard for me to call it that. My opinion is the only one that counts to me and shouldn't matter at all to you.

RX8-79

Yeah, sure, ok, 'stiffer' but yet on the same road, in the same curves, it bobs where my 8 is board flat. Riiiight.

Again, yeah, sure, ok. We clearly have a different definition of sport sedan.

JeRKy 8 Owner

With your reasoning, you could say the Mustang GT, Trans Am, and Z28 aren't sports cars.

Japan8

Catch the $35k sedan compro on C&D I think it was? While the Lexus was ranked one place higher, these guys would rather have a G35. The best bang for the buck. It only lost because the design is getting older.

I read their opinions as...

BMW runs like a BMW. Awesome car. Too damn expensive for a 3 series.

Lexus IS. Better than before, and drives more sporty than any other Lexus... but it ain't no BMW. Hell, it ain't no G35 either.

Infiniti G35. Roomy, fast and handles well. Pricing can't be beat for this package. Design is getting a little old is this car's only negative.

playdoh43

I still dont think you have ever driven the is350 and youre just making assumptions based on your general perception of lexus cars. I noticed you also didnt directly refute me when I said I didnt think you have ever driven it. because if you really have driven it, you would have said something about it in your reply in a more direct manner. So why dont you go drive one before you make claims about how its not a sport sedan and it being softsprung before you make assumptions?

Spring Rates in lb/in:

Stock RX8 6spd
F 155.61
R 112.86

Stock RX8 Automatic
F 144.21
R 101.46

Mazdaspeed Spring
F 280
R 190.4

Oem springs G35 coupes with oem 17’s & 18’s G35 sedan’s with sport suspension 350Z’s 2003/2004
F 314
R 342

Oem springs G35 coupes 2005 only with oem 19’s only 350Z 2004.5/2005
F 314
R 427

i dont have data on the IS350's spring rates, but they are definetly stiffer than the IS300.
which is
F 270
R 210

as you can see the softest spring rates belong to the 8, thats not to say that the rx8 is subject to more body roll because of factors such as height and weight amongst many other things. I know for sure though that the G coupe, Z, S2000 and bmw 330 all have comparatively less bodyroll than the rx8. if you ever watch the Rotory Reborn episode of BMI, the professional drivers confirms this, as well as motortrend and road's s2000 vs 350z vs rx8 article. RX8 is amongst the softest sprung performance cars. Keep in mind im speaking in relative terms, RX8 is by no means a soft sprung car overall, its just softer compared to the competition, at the same time making it much better daily driver than the s2000 and 350Z the same way the STI is a better daily driver than the EVO. Ive driven the IS350 and the RX8 and i felt like both cars experience about the same amount of bodyroll.
Also note that bodyroll is not the only factor that influence handling. RX8 by far handles better than the IS350 over all, weight and steering response, tire among other things also plays a big part in influencing handling, body roll is only part of the equation. RX8 IMO is one of the best handling cars out there, probably only behind the Evo, S2000 and Elise for cars under $50k. just dont expect the rx8 to be board flat while the IS350 bobs around on the same curves when you actually do get the chance to drive one. This IS is not your average lexus, its by no means a dog in handling. It just have some problems making a good connection with the driver's input.

playdoh43

being a g35 coupe owner, i actually agree with C&D in this case. the IS350 outdoes the G sedan in just about everything except handling, but even then its not too far behind in handling either. The engine is superior than the VQ35 with a tad more power, more torque and better fuel economy to boot. These arnt sports cars, handling isnt everything. If price is not a factor, then Id pick them to be in the same order as the comparison. 330, IS350 then G sedan. Of course in real life the value of the G sedan is undeniable, but at this price segman, a lot of buyers can usually stand to fork over a few thousands extra without breaking much of a sweat.

Dinhx8

oooh, hanes her way. okay tough guy. did you do a keg stand before you came up with that one?

I think you're an ***- but hey, wait- "my opinion is the only one that counts to me and shouldn't matter at all to you"


i have no beef with your opinion, its just that you write it as fact and that you're God's gift to forums and BMW.