Ethanol Will Be Our Downfall....
08-19-2012, 10:46 AM
#1
Ethanol Will Be Our Downfall....
"To recap, government is driving up the cost of food, animal feed and gasoline, and Obama's solution is to drive up meat prices as well. Obama could eliminate the entire problem overnight and reduce carbon emissions were he to waive the ethanol mandate in a time of drought. Instead, he is creating a new spending program to mollify livestock producers, who, were it not for the ethanol mandate, would be able to make an honest living without his help."
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Examiner Editorial: To protect ethanol, Obama seeks to inflate meat prices | WashingtonExaminer.com
“A federal appeals court Friday threw out a challenge by automakers and other groups to a new fuel with a higher blend of ethanol that could damage engines.
The U.S. Court of Appeals in a 2-1 decision rejected a suit brought by Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, Global Automakers, the Grocery Manufacturers Association, the oil industry and other groups that sought to overturn the Environmental Protection Agency’s approval of E15 -a fuel that includes 15 percent ethanol.”
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U.S. court rejects auto industry challenge to E15 | The Detroit News | detroitnews.com
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Examiner Editorial: To protect ethanol, Obama seeks to inflate meat prices | WashingtonExaminer.com
“A federal appeals court Friday threw out a challenge by automakers and other groups to a new fuel with a higher blend of ethanol that could damage engines.
The U.S. Court of Appeals in a 2-1 decision rejected a suit brought by Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, Global Automakers, the Grocery Manufacturers Association, the oil industry and other groups that sought to overturn the Environmental Protection Agency’s approval of E15 -a fuel that includes 15 percent ethanol.”
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U.S. court rejects auto industry challenge to E15 | The Detroit News | detroitnews.com
08-19-2012, 11:08 AM
#2
Administrator
yup. and a bunch of the "green" folk who worked to get ethanol used more are now seeing the economic and environmental impact of ethanol and trying to get the program stopped. they pushed it and now they are against it. hell even Big Al is against it nowadays
“It is not a good policy to have these massive subsidies for [U.S.] first-generation ethanol,” the former vice president declared at a green energy business conference in Athens sponsored by Marfin Popular Bank.
“First-generation ethanol, I think, was a mistake. The energy conversion ratios are at best very small,” he said. “It’s hard once such a program is put in place to deal with the lobbies that keep it going.”
He linked his own support for the original program to his presidential ambitions.
“One of the reasons I made that mistake is that I paid particular attention to the farmers in my home state of Tennessee, and I had a certain fondness for the farmers in the state of Iowa because I was about to run for president.”
“First-generation ethanol, I think, was a mistake. The energy conversion ratios are at best very small,” he said. “It’s hard once such a program is put in place to deal with the lobbies that keep it going.”
He linked his own support for the original program to his presidential ambitions.
“One of the reasons I made that mistake is that I paid particular attention to the farmers in my home state of Tennessee, and I had a certain fondness for the farmers in the state of Iowa because I was about to run for president.”
08-19-2012, 11:25 AM
#3
Extraordinary Engineering
Ethanol fuel from food is an example of local optimization: Focus on doing what you can do with no thought of the upstream or downstream effects.
Real issue: The large population of humans put too much pressure on every part of the ecosystem.
As countries such as China and India with their huge populations start generating a real middle class wanting our lifestyle the pressure on the food and fuel systems will intensify.
There are and will continue to be commodity price spikes which may inconvenience us price-wise in first world countries but will devastate the poor populations of third world nations.
This has been exacerbated by record droughts in many food producing nations. http://www.google.ca/imgres?hl=en&sa...,r:0,s:0,i:100
These are global effects of overpopulation and global climate change and belong well outside of the 2, 4 or 6 year cycles of American politics.
No comment on American politics allowed
World governments seem incapable of mitigating the obvious downsides of our current situation.
Real issue: The large population of humans put too much pressure on every part of the ecosystem.
As countries such as China and India with their huge populations start generating a real middle class wanting our lifestyle the pressure on the food and fuel systems will intensify.
There are and will continue to be commodity price spikes which may inconvenience us price-wise in first world countries but will devastate the poor populations of third world nations.
This has been exacerbated by record droughts in many food producing nations. http://www.google.ca/imgres?hl=en&sa...,r:0,s:0,i:100
These are global effects of overpopulation and global climate change and belong well outside of the 2, 4 or 6 year cycles of American politics.
No comment on American politics allowed
World governments seem incapable of mitigating the obvious downsides of our current situation.
Last edited by DarkBrew; 08-19-2012 at 11:37 AM.
08-19-2012, 07:50 PM
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I think everyone agrees on that. But society as a whole is selling out the future for what we can get now. This is just one symptom of a bigger global problem. The fact that ethanol doesn't even benefit most cars yet costs taxpayers and consumers so much in so many ways, is really infuriating. Definitely one of those "how the hell do they get away with this?" issues.
08-19-2012, 09:36 PM
#6
Ethanol is promoted by the corn lobby, greenies don't want anything that burns.
08-24-2012, 01:22 PM
#8
"Some estimates say that the US will likely lose nearly 40% of its corn crop, and possibly more, which means that the price of corn will continue to rise. The price of feedstock will be too high to sustain ethanol production, especially now that it no longer enjoys a blending credit."
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Drought and the Second Ethanol Crash
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Drought and the Second Ethanol Crash
08-24-2012, 01:24 PM
#9
"Thanks to federal government mandates, oil refiners are losing millions of dollars every quarter. As a result, two refineries in the Philadelphia area have already been shut down, and a third is scheduled to close this August. Thousands of jobs have been lost, and if all three facilities go offline, the East Coast will have lost 50 percent of its refining capacity."
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Ethanol mandates killing Pa. jobs, hiking gas prices | WashingtonExaminer.com
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Ethanol mandates killing Pa. jobs, hiking gas prices | WashingtonExaminer.com
08-24-2012, 01:57 PM
#10
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Ethanol fuel from food is an example of local optimization: Focus on doing what you can do with no thought of the upstream or downstream effects.
Real issue: The large population of humans put too much pressure on every part of the ecosystem.
As countries such as China and India with their huge populations start generating a real middle class wanting our lifestyle the pressure on the food and fuel systems will intensify.
There are and will continue to be commodity price spikes which may inconvenience us price-wise in first world countries but will devastate the poor populations of third world nations.
This has been exacerbated by record droughts in many food producing nations. Google Image Result for http://heavenglow.com/engine/austin_tx_usa/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Countries_by_agricultural_drought.png
These are global effects of overpopulation and global climate change and belong well outside of the 2, 4 or 6 year cycles of American politics.
No comment on American politics allowed
World governments seem incapable of mitigating the obvious downsides of our current situation.
Real issue: The large population of humans put too much pressure on every part of the ecosystem.
As countries such as China and India with their huge populations start generating a real middle class wanting our lifestyle the pressure on the food and fuel systems will intensify.
There are and will continue to be commodity price spikes which may inconvenience us price-wise in first world countries but will devastate the poor populations of third world nations.
This has been exacerbated by record droughts in many food producing nations. Google Image Result for http://heavenglow.com/engine/austin_tx_usa/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Countries_by_agricultural_drought.png
These are global effects of overpopulation and global climate change and belong well outside of the 2, 4 or 6 year cycles of American politics.
No comment on American politics allowed
World governments seem incapable of mitigating the obvious downsides of our current situation.
04-05-2016, 11:17 AM
#11
///// Upscale Zoom-Zoom
Has anyone seen E15 show up at any pumps yet?
04-05-2016, 11:42 AM
#12
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wow bringing an old thread back to life. its been up to 10% in my area for a while now
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