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Old 09-08-2022, 04:41 PM
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i dont want a smart home or ev. this is proof they can shut your hvac down, not let you charge your expensive af ev (cause our infrastructure cant support it) or they can just shut your car down with a keystroke. no thanks to any of that ****
A "smart" home has nothing to do with if people can control your environment. I get it though.. things you don't understand can be uncomfortable. A lot of these IOT "internet of things" devices require access from 3rd parties in order to be managed remotely. As long as you buy the correct product and don't enable this functionality then you're fine. My house isn't heavy on the automation.. I do have automation built into lights and climate control. In regards to peoples thermostats being managed by their power company. They have to link their personal account with their power company in order for this functionality to happen. without that "handshake" between the power company and your personal device.. it cannot be controlled. In a previous job in the smart meter industry... we could tell what equipment was being run at what time in your house. This type of info is used to build power usage models for a region. But actually, controlling equipment inside your house isn't an option.
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I said I was done posting here, but since you asked 'how' and the "stupid" inference bugs me, here goes.

I don't usually post crap that isn't true.
I spend a lot of time reading about the things I post.

I avoid the partisan websites on both sides.
Usually the sites I use online end in '.org' and not '.com', and have many footnotes and accredited links to other articles and organizations related to the topics I'm looking into.
If I post articles from .coms, it's usually for brevity's sake, Cliff Notes per se.

A lot of TL/DR here.

Before the availability of the internet I used libraries frequently to keep up with books, magazines, and newspapers.
It's so much easier now IF you don't frequent echo chambers.

The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center is one of the sites that goes in depth into tax issues affecting Americans helping them to understand the tax issues.

While it can be said that tax cuts don't directly add to the deficits like spending does, it adds to the deficit.

Here's the header of the article, the 'Cliff Note' of their analysis.
If you care to read the details, the link follows.



https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/brie...budget-outlook

Well no wonder US Debt (deficit) is out of control,
You (Governments) do not give Federal Income tax cuts unless you can afford to do so and it is Offset by expenditure cuts elsewhere within budget.
Thats is basic bookkeeping.
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Back closer on thread subject.

Interesting to see how Governments will handle this and what public will do or think if EV's become mainstream.

In EU and UK if a hybrid (say a Prius) or any EV has a car accident or in a chain collision shunt where the car won't drive off it stays exactly where it lands
until authorities arrive with appropriate tray top truck(s) and staff to slide car onto tray with appropriate personnel protection from possible electrical shock.
On a busy freeway say like the A1 traffic is restricted for hours until car(s) can be cleared and then road surface cleaned.
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Janet Yellen just said that the Biden Admin will end the use of all gasoline and gas....really what possibly could go wrong.
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Janet Yellen just said that the Biden Admin will end the use of all gasoline and gas....really what possibly could go wrong.
well she and his puppeteers are complete idiots.
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Janet Yellen just said that the Biden Admin will end the use of all gasoline and gas....really what possibly could go wrong.
Link?
I can find no evidence of that.
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Originally Posted by BigCajun
Link?
I can find no evidence of that.

https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy0939

“Our plan – powered by the Inflation Reduction Act – represents the largest investment in fighting climate change in our country’s history. It will put us well on our way toward a future where we depend on the wind, sun, and other clean sources for our energy. We will rid ourselves from our current dependence on fossil fuels.”

In markets where we could not help lower prices by expanding supply, we have aimed to mitigate the pain directly, through cost relief.

That last sentence is a whopper. Man!



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https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy0939

“Our plan – powered by the Inflation Reduction Act – represents the largest investment in fighting climate change in our country’s history. It will put us well on our way toward a future where we depend on the wind, sun, and other clean sources for our energy. We will rid ourselves from our current dependence on fossil fuels.”

In markets where we could not help lower prices by expanding supply, we have aimed to mitigate the pain directly, through cost relief.

That last sentence is a whopper. Man!
I read her speech before I posted that question.
I didn't read anywhere in there where she said the current administration will end the use of all gasoline and gas.

That's some mental gymnastics to translate "well on our way toward a future..." into the previous statement.

Still wasting my time I see.
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Originally Posted by BigCajun
I read her speech before I posted that question.
I didn't read anywhere in there where she said the current administration will end the use of all gasoline and gas.

That's some mental gymnastics to translate "well on our way toward a future..." into the previous statement.

Still wasting my time I see.
Depends on if you take her at her word or not, I guess. With the disdain this crowd has for fossil fuel, and I think she means what she says. Not mental gymnastics at all.
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Love my ICE rotary 8, but the writing is on the wall: just like the POT (plain old telephone) line has diminished, but not died; so shall the ICE engine...for similar and admirable reasons. I'm sure the traditional platform w/b adequately supported as infrastructure is stood up to support the new.
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Well its the Biden ADMIN that is saying this, they control your world.

Rid oneself of the dependence of fossil fuels WILL NEVER HAPPEN, these morons have not got a clue how anything in production works they have never got their hands dirty like most pen pushers.
These twits don't even realise that fossil fuels are just not for gasoline or heating or cooking or transport.
FF is used in virtually everything we use or do or wear or live or work in.
FF has made this world we live in today, so what are you guys going to use when its 30 below under 3 feet of snow to heat your home...solar, wind.
Renewables will never do it, California can't even manage what they have on their grid.
Nuclear is the only way to go for power and heating and cooling.
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Love my ICE rotary 8, but the writing is on the wall: just like the POT (plain old telephone) line has diminished, but not died; so shall the ICE engine...for similar and admirable reasons. I'm sure the traditional platform w/b adequately supported as infrastructure is stood up to support the new.
Unfortunately I don't believe this will happen the way you say.

The landline phone did not have a worldwide group of zealots demanding its demise sooner than was possible or feasible. The change happened organically, in proper time, which I have no problem with.

I believe there will be massive overstep, worldwide, and then a reckoning that maybe you shouldn't put the cart before the horse. Many will be made poor and miserable as a result, and many will suffer and even die due to faulty policies, driven by zealotry and "science". Look at Europe now, furiously backtracking before winter comes, back to FF. Like our ancestors, having to prepare for winter, something not seen in the West in a few centuries.

Again, look at the c19 response worldwide. We should trust these people to make the correct decisions after their current track record? Just believe what they say? Seriously-think about this.

The biggest threat to humanity now is not Global Warming, but Global Stupidity.
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rice rabies and banning ff is 100% about control. nothing more. if these idiot "rulers" actually gave a **** about the tree hugger bs agenda they would practice what they preach. case in point resident potato just took af1 to delaware yesterday to vote in person when he easily could have voted abesentee like they love so much or drove an ev the less than 100 miles instead of flying.
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Flabbergasted just how freaking silly people really are, clearly they never learned the basics and this stupid war on carbon.
I am not against alternative fuels or battery powered cars, but the so called green benefits of electric is just bullshit.
Nuclear is the only way to go for a reliable power source with true base load, Australia has the 3rd largest in ground supply of that yellow stuff.
Manufacturing cannot use renewables as it is not reliable to operate large machinery that draws massive current/amps.
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rice rabies and banning ff is 100% about control. nothing more. if these idiot "rulers" actually gave a **** about the tree hugger bs agenda they would practice what they preach. case in point resident potato just took af1 to delaware yesterday to vote in person when he easily could have voted abesentee like they love so much or drove an ev the less than 100 miles instead of flying.
Dont you just love all these pushers of renewables who fly everywhere in their private jets and tell us plebs what we should be doing to 'save' the planet.
Do any of them practise what they preach?
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Dont you just love all these pushers of renewables who fly everywhere in their private jets and tell us plebs what we should be doing to 'save' the planet.
Do any of them practise what they preach?
everyone of them are hypocrites who dont even try to hide it or care. they are our "betters". now pick up that can citizen. its all another grift totally based on power money and control
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https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abd1705

Nonreplicable publications are cited more than replicable ones

"Our main finding is that papers that fail to replicate in (57) are cited more than those that are replicable. We find no significant change in citation trends, even after the publication of the failed replication. Notably, only a minority of publications after the failed replications were published acknowledge the failure."

“studies that failed to replicate since their publication were on average 153 times more likely to be cited” than studies that did—mostly because their findings were more “interesting.” And this problem was found to be worst in leading journals Nature and Science."


It's a feature, not a bug, fellas.
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https://www.enago.com/academy/is-pee...rocess-a-scam/


In 2005, researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) created a software program called SCIgen that randomly combined strings of words to generate fake computer science papers. The objective of the exercise was to prove that the peer review process was fundamentally flawed and the conferences and journals would accept meaningless papers. After being notified by other researchers who were deliberately tracking SCIgen papers, journals were still quietly pulling articles as late as 2014.

In November 2014, Nature, the international weekly journal of science, published an article about peer-review rings, where peer-reviewers colluded to review each other’s work, with glowing reviews of course. Unfortunately, the unusual speed with which those reviews were performed and delivered to the journals – often within 24 hours – led the journal editors to be suspicious about the quality of work being performed.


Remember that the study of science has one big inherent flaw: scientists. A group of humans with a more or less equal distribution of positive and negative characteristics as the rest of the population.
So, don't think for a moment that because something is said by a scientist or a group of same it is automatically correct, and factual. It could be right, and it could be wrong. Throw in some politics and research money, and well, those base human characteristics might take over. You would lack wisdom to think otherwise.
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In 2005, researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) created a software program called SCIgen that randomly combined strings of words to generate fake computer science papers. The objective of the exercise was to prove that the peer review process was fundamentally flawed and the conferences and journals would accept meaningless papers. After being notified by other researchers who were deliberately tracking SCIgen papers, journals were still quietly pulling articles as late as 2014.

In November 2014, Nature, the international weekly journal of science, published an article about peer-review rings, where peer-reviewers colluded to review each other’s work, with glowing reviews of course. Unfortunately, the unusual speed with which those reviews were performed and delivered to the journals – often within 24 hours – led the journal editors to be suspicious about the quality of work being performed.


Remember that the study of science has one big inherent flaw: scientists. A group of humans with a more or less equal distribution of positive and negative characteristics as the rest of the population.
So, don't think for a moment that because something is said by a scientist or a group of same it is automatically correct, and factual. It could be right, and it could be wrong. Throw in some politics and research money, and well, those base human characteristics might take over. You would lack wisdom to think otherwise.
but ya gotta trust "the science and the experts" . if it doesnt fit the agenda change the meaning of words, the scientific process and censor opposing views. duh i thought everyone knew this after the last two weeks years
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Boy did this turn into an echo chamber.
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just the actual facts man, just the facts
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Boy did this turn into an echo chamber.
Excellent.

Not to be antagonistic to you personally, but your post is golden.

3 people somewhat in agreement, that you disagree with, is an "echo chamber".

But earlier in this string there were 5-6 including yourself agreeing with each other and the prevailing narrative in the media, academia, and elsewhere, but that wasn't an echo chamber, oh no, it was, hmmm, let me guess, an "online community".
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Excellent.

Not to be antagonistic to you personally, but your post is golden.

3 people somewhat in agreement, that you disagree with, is an "echo chamber".

But earlier in this string there were 5-6 including yourself agreeing with each other and the prevailing narrative in the media, academia, and elsewhere, but that wasn't an echo chamber, oh no, it was, hmmm, let me guess, an "online community".
​​​​​​What I see on this page is a competition for who can repeat the most propaganda, so yes it's an echo chamber. A bunch of opinions followed by "just the facts" for some reason.
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