California ban gas ice car by 2035, UK by 2030.
08-29-2022, 02:58 AM
#76
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How does a Tax cut for the 'rich' become a deficit?, does not make any sense.
Tax cuts are supposed to be Budget revenue neutral (balanced or offset), otherwise people are stupid and don't know how it works.
Any Treasurer or (Dept of Treasury head) who approves (issues) tax cuts without reducing spending is asking for trouble.
Gov Debt is because most of the time they Spend too much or give away too much, to think that Gov borrowings are not the same as personal is just wrong also.
Those who pay tax are the ones who pay off the debt.
What are they borrowing against, their ability to service the loan whether it is Gov Bonds or directly from other treasuries.
Most don't even know what Gov debt and deficit is.
Tax cuts are supposed to be Budget revenue neutral (balanced or offset), otherwise people are stupid and don't know how it works.
Any Treasurer or (Dept of Treasury head) who approves (issues) tax cuts without reducing spending is asking for trouble.
Gov Debt is because most of the time they Spend too much or give away too much, to think that Gov borrowings are not the same as personal is just wrong also.
Those who pay tax are the ones who pay off the debt.
What are they borrowing against, their ability to service the loan whether it is Gov Bonds or directly from other treasuries.
Most don't even know what Gov debt and deficit is.
08-29-2022, 11:54 AM
#77
77 cylinders, 4 rotors...
Thread Starter
08-29-2022, 12:01 PM
#78
77 cylinders, 4 rotors...
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Taking a pragmatic view to this climategate scandal;
Unless all of the committies, organisations and industry bodies involved in the investigations were all corrupt also, and in on the climategate scam, I'd hardly call it a 'whitewash'.....
- 61 Meg of info stolen, that included thousands of emails and documents
- Of all that data that was stolen, including thousands of emails, they identified just a handful of emails that were suspect
- Unsurprisingly, most of the email content that was identified as suspicious, was taken out of context
- Eight official committities investigated the scandal, and none found any evidence of fraud or scientific misconduct
- House of Commons Science and Technology Committee conducted their own investigation and found "the scientific reputation of Professor Jones and CRU remains intact"
- The Science Assessment Panel conducted a report and had the conclusions were that "no evidence of any deliberate scientific malpractice in any of the work of the Climatic Research Unit."
- The Pennsylvania State University conducted an enquiry and the committee determined there was no credible evidence Mann suppressed or falsified data, destroyed emails, information and/or data
- An independent British investigation commissioned by the UEA cleared the scientists and dismissed allegations that they manipulated their data
- The United States EPA examined every email and concluded that there was no merit to the claims which "routinely misunderstood the scientific issues", reached "faulty scientific conclusions", "resorted to hyperbole", and "often cherry-pick language that creates the suggestion or appearance of impropriety, without looking deeper into the issues."
- The National Science Foundation closed an investigation on 15 August 2011. It found no evidence of research misconduct, and confirmed the results of earlier inquiries.
- On top of the above investigations and enquiries, there have been numerous independent investigations, all of which have concluded there was no evidence of fraud or scientific misconduct.
Unless all of the committies, organisations and industry bodies involved in the investigations were all corrupt also, and in on the climategate scam, I'd hardly call it a 'whitewash'.....
The fact that Mann is still at Penn shows all you need to know, in my opinion. The die was already cast when all this came out,, and the machine was in place. If Penn threw him overboard they would have suffered ($$$), when just the reverse should be true.
Yes , it is a very organized whitewash. And, they have circled the wagons thoroughly since then, so those kinds of problems do not arise again.
Let's break it down to the simplest question:
You think its OK for a scientist to put pressure on other scientists to align with his view, or the view of the group he represents?
I don't. That's not science, fellas.
And, why are they doing that?
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08-29-2022, 09:34 PM
#80
If you don't believe or accept the opinion and conclusion of multiple committies, industry groups, made up of scientists and experts in the field of science that investigated this supposed scandal, then why are you interested in hearing what other random people on the internet might say on this subject....?
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09-02-2022, 07:07 AM
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09-02-2022, 08:07 AM
#82
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How does a Tax cut for the 'rich' become a deficit?, does not make any sense.
Tax cuts are supposed to be Budget revenue neutral (balanced or offset), otherwise people are stupid and don't know how it works.
Any Treasurer or (Dept of Treasury head) who approves (issues) tax cuts without reducing spending is asking for trouble.
Gov Debt is because most of the time they Spend too much or give away too much, to think that Gov borrowings are not the same as personal is just wrong also.
Those who pay tax are the ones who pay off the debt.
What are they borrowing against, their ability to service the loan whether it is Gov Bonds or directly from other treasuries.
Most don't even know what Gov debt and deficit is.
Tax cuts are supposed to be Budget revenue neutral (balanced or offset), otherwise people are stupid and don't know how it works.
Any Treasurer or (Dept of Treasury head) who approves (issues) tax cuts without reducing spending is asking for trouble.
Gov Debt is because most of the time they Spend too much or give away too much, to think that Gov borrowings are not the same as personal is just wrong also.
Those who pay tax are the ones who pay off the debt.
What are they borrowing against, their ability to service the loan whether it is Gov Bonds or directly from other treasuries.
Most don't even know what Gov debt and deficit is.
I don't usually post crap that isn't true.
I spend a lot of time reading about the things I post.
I avoid the partisan websites on both sides.
Usually the sites I use online end in '.org' and not '.com', and have many footnotes and accredited links to other articles and organizations related to the topics I'm looking into.
If I post articles from .coms, it's usually for brevity's sake, Cliff Notes per se.
A lot of TL/DR here.
Before the availability of the internet I used libraries frequently to keep up with books, magazines, and newspapers.
It's so much easier now IF you don't frequent echo chambers.
The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center is one of the sites that goes in depth into tax issues affecting Americans helping them to understand the tax issues.
While it can be said that tax cuts don't directly add to the deficits like spending does, it adds to the deficit.
Here's the header of the article, the 'Cliff Note' of their analysis.
If you care to read the details, the link follows.
https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/brie...budget-outlook
09-02-2022, 04:05 PM
#83
77 cylinders, 4 rotors...
Thread Starter
09-02-2022, 04:05 PM
#84
77 cylinders, 4 rotors...
Thread Starter
If you don't believe or accept the opinion and conclusion of multiple committies, industry groups, made up of scientists and experts in the field of science that investigated this supposed scandal, then why are you interested in hearing what other random people on the internet might say on this subject....?
09-02-2022, 04:19 PM
#85
77 cylinders, 4 rotors...
Thread Starter
That is your opinion.
A lot can happen in 13 years.
In 1961 President Kennedy ordered NASA to put a man on the moon by 1970.
It happened in 1969.
When money meets technology a lot can happen.
Where is the money to come from?
Obviously as in the case of Musk and Bezos, they're not investing their hundreds of billions into anything from which they won't profit.
2 examples are Starlink, which has been a good thing, but space tourism?
As soon as the billionaires turn their attention to, and figure out how to make more billions from EVs and renewable energy, it'll happen.
Until then the government is trying to do something using the cumbersome, inefficient method of public works, because to do nothing is whistling past the graveyard.
If we choose to wait for private businesses to do something, then we can see from past experience with power supplies and petrol refining we'll be waiting until it's a real crisis and they start actually losing money.
As long as they're making billions in profits every quarter, they ain't doing jacksh!t.
California right now has 80,000 charging stations, they have targeted 250,000 by 2025.
I'm sure it'll happen, and the improvements to the grid will also.
I also get tired of the "but my taxes are paying for it!" laments.
Your taxes are paying for a lot of things.
Are you paying extra taxes to pay for it?
Do you want an itemized list?
I'd imagine there is one available somewhere that can approximate it.
The politicians in favor of clean renewable energy call it the Green New Deal based on FDR's New Deal, which put an extraordinary amount of tax dollars into Federal infrastructure, which during the incredibly difficult times of the Great Depression, (Ooh, gas is so expensive for my big azz SUV!! WAH! )
helped put people back to work, giving them income, allowing them to put money back into the economy and yes, PAY MORE TAXES.
In order to do all the things required to make improvements to the grids and other methods to implement cleaner, renewable energy possible, it will require manpower, meaning JOBS, many high paying, skilled jobs that will put money back into the economy and pay more taxes back into the monolithic public works.
FWIW and in the vein of full disclosure. the company I work for makes millions off the gubment, ensuring everyone has access to clean water, putting out actual fires, cooling nuclear reactors, both public power supply and USN vessels, etc., etc...
MOAR TAXES, ARGHH!!
Competition from renewable energy efforts may make the ginormous multinational petroleum companies invest in greener alternatives. (Which some are actually researching atm, cause $$$$)
You skipped the scientific Royal Society article, which mentions, and has many other links to scientific climatology studies.
I assume you couldn't find any emails discrediting that.
The 50 astronauts and scientists are likely part of the red hat crowd imo, and as was stated before, those beliefs have become part of their tribal identity.
You can cherry pick email responses and articles that question studies, some of which may have merit exposing questionable results.
I'm sure there are plenty in the echo chambers you must frequent that have cemented your confirmation biases.
Rejecting the science, seeking out examples which are in the vast minority, being convinced everyone is being lied to for nefarious reasons, (DEEP STATE!! blah blah)
and if reading all the sources I linked and the scientific rabbit hole it leads to, considering other rationale for the investment in cleaner, renewable energy, (which thanks to huge amounts of Big Oil lobbyist money thrown at politicians for 40+ years to not do so, another topic not discussed) doesn't sway you, then this whole discussion is a waste of time.
As I said before, especially given your inane mass hysteria analogy at the beginning, this is nothing if not a political thread.
I'm done wasting my time posting here.
A lot can happen in 13 years.
In 1961 President Kennedy ordered NASA to put a man on the moon by 1970.
It happened in 1969.
When money meets technology a lot can happen.
Where is the money to come from?
Obviously as in the case of Musk and Bezos, they're not investing their hundreds of billions into anything from which they won't profit.
2 examples are Starlink, which has been a good thing, but space tourism?
As soon as the billionaires turn their attention to, and figure out how to make more billions from EVs and renewable energy, it'll happen.
Until then the government is trying to do something using the cumbersome, inefficient method of public works, because to do nothing is whistling past the graveyard.
If we choose to wait for private businesses to do something, then we can see from past experience with power supplies and petrol refining we'll be waiting until it's a real crisis and they start actually losing money.
As long as they're making billions in profits every quarter, they ain't doing jacksh!t.
California right now has 80,000 charging stations, they have targeted 250,000 by 2025.
I'm sure it'll happen, and the improvements to the grid will also.
I also get tired of the "but my taxes are paying for it!" laments.
Your taxes are paying for a lot of things.
Are you paying extra taxes to pay for it?
Do you want an itemized list?
I'd imagine there is one available somewhere that can approximate it.
The politicians in favor of clean renewable energy call it the Green New Deal based on FDR's New Deal, which put an extraordinary amount of tax dollars into Federal infrastructure, which during the incredibly difficult times of the Great Depression, (Ooh, gas is so expensive for my big azz SUV!! WAH! )
helped put people back to work, giving them income, allowing them to put money back into the economy and yes, PAY MORE TAXES.
In order to do all the things required to make improvements to the grids and other methods to implement cleaner, renewable energy possible, it will require manpower, meaning JOBS, many high paying, skilled jobs that will put money back into the economy and pay more taxes back into the monolithic public works.
FWIW and in the vein of full disclosure. the company I work for makes millions off the gubment, ensuring everyone has access to clean water, putting out actual fires, cooling nuclear reactors, both public power supply and USN vessels, etc., etc...
MOAR TAXES, ARGHH!!
Competition from renewable energy efforts may make the ginormous multinational petroleum companies invest in greener alternatives. (Which some are actually researching atm, cause $$$$)
You skipped the scientific Royal Society article, which mentions, and has many other links to scientific climatology studies.
I assume you couldn't find any emails discrediting that.
The 50 astronauts and scientists are likely part of the red hat crowd imo, and as was stated before, those beliefs have become part of their tribal identity.
You can cherry pick email responses and articles that question studies, some of which may have merit exposing questionable results.
I'm sure there are plenty in the echo chambers you must frequent that have cemented your confirmation biases.
Rejecting the science, seeking out examples which are in the vast minority, being convinced everyone is being lied to for nefarious reasons, (DEEP STATE!! blah blah)
and if reading all the sources I linked and the scientific rabbit hole it leads to, considering other rationale for the investment in cleaner, renewable energy, (which thanks to huge amounts of Big Oil lobbyist money thrown at politicians for 40+ years to not do so, another topic not discussed) doesn't sway you, then this whole discussion is a waste of time.
As I said before, especially given your inane mass hysteria analogy at the beginning, this is nothing if not a political thread.
I'm done wasting my time posting here.
Big Oil and Big Green are at odds with each other, but are equally powerful to influence policy. In fact, in most Western nations, it can be argued that Big Green is by far more powerful. Both are driven by $$$$.
People tend to give crappy policy a pass if its "green".
You haven't read the emails, and I have read about 75 of them. It's not a smoking gun, but it enough to make you wonder why scientists are talking amongst themselves about what to do when actual temperatures are repeatedly not adhering to the model. A lot of the questions were not about the model, or the flaws of same, but how to deal with the press and skeptics.
I am saying that the people who are making these decisions are basing them on unproven theories. Is that so radical? Are their theories proven?
And, if someone is going against current conventional thinking, (which is constantly delivered in print, TV, radio, SM, phone, etc) is he the one in the echo chamber, experiencing confirmation bias? Maybe consider that a bit.
Last edited by kevink0000; 09-03-2022 at 09:41 AM.
09-02-2022, 04:45 PM
#86
77 cylinders, 4 rotors...
Thread Starter
And back to the topic of Michael Mann, which I am responsible for introducing and taking this thread off track, I would like to add something more recent.
In 2019 he lost a defamation case he brought against a researcher Dr. Tim Ball, who questioned Mann's theories and models, and said, " He should be in the State Pen, not Penn State.”
In the case, Ball showed his climate model which included the Medieval Warm Period, which it was surmised that Mann's model altered or left out, so that the famous Hockey Stick could be formed.
The court (Canadian) repeatedly asked Mann to provide his methodology to the court, which he refused to do in open court. Mann had to pay all of Ball's fees
Also, Mann has other suits in play at this date, and without getting into deep detail, unless you want to, those are not going well either.
My point again, is that a lot of this stuff is given credibility it does not deserve. It is not by any means, settled, regardless of how many groups are saying it is. I began saying that our "leaders" are not competent to direct a transition such as this, and they are responding to dubious information. Look at the last 2 years. How did they all do with a pandemic? You trust them? I don't.
Mann accepts public funds and works for a public university. His methodology should be made public as well, in my opinion. The fact that he was willing to lose a "loser pays" court case, to primarily withhold his methods tells me he should not be outfitted with the blind trust he seems to command. Is that unreasonable?
In 2019 he lost a defamation case he brought against a researcher Dr. Tim Ball, who questioned Mann's theories and models, and said, " He should be in the State Pen, not Penn State.”
In the case, Ball showed his climate model which included the Medieval Warm Period, which it was surmised that Mann's model altered or left out, so that the famous Hockey Stick could be formed.
The court (Canadian) repeatedly asked Mann to provide his methodology to the court, which he refused to do in open court. Mann had to pay all of Ball's fees
Also, Mann has other suits in play at this date, and without getting into deep detail, unless you want to, those are not going well either.
My point again, is that a lot of this stuff is given credibility it does not deserve. It is not by any means, settled, regardless of how many groups are saying it is. I began saying that our "leaders" are not competent to direct a transition such as this, and they are responding to dubious information. Look at the last 2 years. How did they all do with a pandemic? You trust them? I don't.
Mann accepts public funds and works for a public university. His methodology should be made public as well, in my opinion. The fact that he was willing to lose a "loser pays" court case, to primarily withhold his methods tells me he should not be outfitted with the blind trust he seems to command. Is that unreasonable?
09-03-2022, 09:37 AM
#87
77 cylinders, 4 rotors...
Thread Starter
And this just in:
It's always a GREAT IDEA to give up your autonomy for convenience. They will encourage this more and more as time goes on.
I am sure the rate plan these people were on gave some small financial incentive to sign up for this. I especially like the name they gave it.
Sure 78 degrees is not warm, but who judges now what is "too warm" for the grid? When will that change, and who changes it?
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ergy-emergency
It's always a GREAT IDEA to give up your autonomy for convenience. They will encourage this more and more as time goes on.
I am sure the rate plan these people were on gave some small financial incentive to sign up for this. I especially like the name they gave it.
Sure 78 degrees is not warm, but who judges now what is "too warm" for the grid? When will that change, and who changes it?
Thousands of Xcel customers locked out of thermostats during 'energy emergency'
22,000 people lost control of temperatures in their homes for hours Tuesday.https://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ergy-emergency
09-05-2022, 10:07 AM
#88
funny nobody mentioned that the same state just released a notice asking people not to plug their cars in this weekend due the high energy grid demand. 
Note that the electrical grid issue there has persisted for many decades, but now they’re suddenly going to not only fix it, but enhance it to support a magnified demand level within another decade. That will require a huge financial investment. That might as well be a huge bloody whale and every shark in the sea will be swimming in to get their fill.
but you were right Brettus; they’re not all corrupt. There’s pretty much an equal amount of incompetent, stupid people involved in the process just blindly going along with the flow as the corrupt ones. The even worse part; they think they’re smart, and they have clever words to entice and mislead other dumb people to get on board the same error boat sailing for the land of fail. That’s how they all end up heading the wrong way down a false path to a dead end result. Pretty much like many of the same things we see on this forum about the Renesis engine and such.
you think that sounds ridiculous; over in Scotland they decided to convert all the police cars over to electric in the big green push. So all the cars showed up and were ready to go, except nobody funded or installed charging stations at the police precincts for charging them. True story. Again, they think they’re smart and they have clever words to con other dumb people to merrily kum-ba-yah together on their joyous way to the land of fail.
Not just out there in the world, on this forum too.
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Note that the electrical grid issue there has persisted for many decades, but now they’re suddenly going to not only fix it, but enhance it to support a magnified demand level within another decade. That will require a huge financial investment. That might as well be a huge bloody whale and every shark in the sea will be swimming in to get their fill.
but you were right Brettus; they’re not all corrupt. There’s pretty much an equal amount of incompetent, stupid people involved in the process just blindly going along with the flow as the corrupt ones. The even worse part; they think they’re smart, and they have clever words to entice and mislead other dumb people to get on board the same error boat sailing for the land of fail. That’s how they all end up heading the wrong way down a false path to a dead end result. Pretty much like many of the same things we see on this forum about the Renesis engine and such.
you think that sounds ridiculous; over in Scotland they decided to convert all the police cars over to electric in the big green push. So all the cars showed up and were ready to go, except nobody funded or installed charging stations at the police precincts for charging them. True story. Again, they think they’re smart and they have clever words to con other dumb people to merrily kum-ba-yah together on their joyous way to the land of fail.
Not just out there in the world, on this forum too.
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09-06-2022, 12:34 PM
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And this just in:
It's always a GREAT IDEA to give up your autonomy for convenience. They will encourage this more and more as time goes on.
I am sure the rate plan these people were on gave some small financial incentive to sign up for this. I especially like the name they gave it.
Sure 78 degrees is not warm, but who judges now what is "too warm" for the grid? When will that change, and who changes it?
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ergy-emergency
It's always a GREAT IDEA to give up your autonomy for convenience. They will encourage this more and more as time goes on.
I am sure the rate plan these people were on gave some small financial incentive to sign up for this. I especially like the name they gave it.
Sure 78 degrees is not warm, but who judges now what is "too warm" for the grid? When will that change, and who changes it?
Thousands of Xcel customers locked out of thermostats during 'energy emergency'
22,000 people lost control of temperatures in their homes for hours Tuesday.https://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ergy-emergency
09-06-2022, 04:38 PM
#92
“Whale-oil-beef-hooked”
This has been an interesting thread to follow. The Flat Earthers comment triggered this thought…..
We seem to be in a transition time now with what feels like the end of a few empires since the 1980’s and our economic system being propped up. History does repeat.
The collapse of the Roman based European empire into the dark ages and feudalism lasted until the Chinese came along and kick started the Renaissance. Turns out much of the scientific knowledge and discovery my European ancestors gave so much credit to themselves for was retracing paths already laid down.
The trend of discrediting science for a nice firm believe in mythology is not where I want to go. I don’t think anyone now believes the sun is dragged around in a chariot or the Earth is the centre of the universe. Yet now we keep hearing “Because Science “ repeatedly when the topic doesn’t line up with personal belief ( mythology).
Agreed there are some issues in academia with entrenched thinking. My coworker just encountered some of this conformity thinking when defending his PHD thesis. There’s still more validity to a peer reviewed paper than whatever is being dredged up online to back up the “Because Science” arguments. I’ll stick to no quotes around Science.
Here’s hoping we don’t head into another dark ages due to popular demand. I’m too much of a cynic jump on the latest mythology wagon.
We seem to be in a transition time now with what feels like the end of a few empires since the 1980’s and our economic system being propped up. History does repeat.
The collapse of the Roman based European empire into the dark ages and feudalism lasted until the Chinese came along and kick started the Renaissance. Turns out much of the scientific knowledge and discovery my European ancestors gave so much credit to themselves for was retracing paths already laid down.
The trend of discrediting science for a nice firm believe in mythology is not where I want to go. I don’t think anyone now believes the sun is dragged around in a chariot or the Earth is the centre of the universe. Yet now we keep hearing “Because Science “ repeatedly when the topic doesn’t line up with personal belief ( mythology).
Agreed there are some issues in academia with entrenched thinking. My coworker just encountered some of this conformity thinking when defending his PHD thesis. There’s still more validity to a peer reviewed paper than whatever is being dredged up online to back up the “Because Science” arguments. I’ll stick to no quotes around Science.
Here’s hoping we don’t head into another dark ages due to popular demand. I’m too much of a cynic jump on the latest mythology wagon.
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09-06-2022, 06:02 PM
#93
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Thread Starter
Were those price shocks due to real shortages, or just faulty policy, like this:
09-06-2022, 06:18 PM
#94
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Thread Starter
Eisenhower made a speech that was often quoted in the 60s and 70s:
“In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.”
“Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed”
Those lines are popular, but the one that really stands out to me, that nobody mentions anymore in this age is this:
"Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.
In this revolution, research has become central, it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.
The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocation, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded.
Yet in holding scientific discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite."
I believe we are there already, globally.
“In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.”
“Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed”
Those lines are popular, but the one that really stands out to me, that nobody mentions anymore in this age is this:
"Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.
In this revolution, research has become central, it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.
The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocation, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded.
Yet in holding scientific discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite."
I believe we are there already, globally.
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09-07-2022, 09:21 AM
#96
You gonna eat that?
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Honda for one has said they plan to have all EV models by 2040, no more I.C. autos.
Other automakers are planning the same.
People can run around waving their arms and carrying on, but it's going to happen.
Not in my lifetime probably, but in many others here it will.
It's beyond our control, accept it and get over it.
Honda is building a $4.4 Billion EV battery plant in the U.S.
https://www.alabamanewscenter.com/20...-plant-in-u-s/
1973 and 1979 Oil Embargos are some of the things you're referring to.
Rationing and limits to how much you could buy, if you could even find any.
People probably don't know what 'Even/Odd' days were.
I do.
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09-07-2022, 10:51 AM
#97
77 cylinders, 4 rotors...
Thread Starter
More policy mistakes and someone telling a different story.
I will assert that whatever news programs most of us consume will not run this. Not narrative friendly to say the least.
Antwerp Mayor Blasts "Green Dogmatics", Admits "Bankrupt" Belgium Is "The New Greece"
"In America people are not in this ****," exclaims mayor of Antwerp, Bart De Wever during an interview on Belgian TV.
"They are now exporters of oil and gas, but they certainly weren't twenty years ago. Climate standards are not of much use if all your companies go to America and China to produce, then you are bankrupt and the climate is not yet saved. This is the green dogmatics. People should start realizing this."
The outspoken mayor held nothing back during the Flemish current affairs program De Zevende Dag.
“Oil, gas and coal were no longer allowed. No investments were allowed in reserves. Germany does not have a single LNG terminal (a terminal for liquefied natural gas, ed.). The dumbest countries, Germany and Belgium, have phased out nuclear energy in parallel. We have pushed away all energy sources, making ourselves dependent on Putin. Now we hang on to it.”
The previous government, of which De Wever's party was part, decided that the Belgian nuclear centers Tihange 2 and Doel 3 should close.
“It's a purple-green law. We now have a purple-green government. That is a recipe for catastrophe.”
Prime Minister Alexander De Croo says the country is 'in an economic war situation'.
“Everything has to be on the table.”
According to De Wever, it is time 'for bitter truths'...
“This country is bankrupt.”
I will assert that whatever news programs most of us consume will not run this. Not narrative friendly to say the least.
Antwerp Mayor Blasts "Green Dogmatics", Admits "Bankrupt" Belgium Is "The New Greece"
"In America people are not in this ****," exclaims mayor of Antwerp, Bart De Wever during an interview on Belgian TV.
"They are now exporters of oil and gas, but they certainly weren't twenty years ago. Climate standards are not of much use if all your companies go to America and China to produce, then you are bankrupt and the climate is not yet saved. This is the green dogmatics. People should start realizing this."
The outspoken mayor held nothing back during the Flemish current affairs program De Zevende Dag.
“Oil, gas and coal were no longer allowed. No investments were allowed in reserves. Germany does not have a single LNG terminal (a terminal for liquefied natural gas, ed.). The dumbest countries, Germany and Belgium, have phased out nuclear energy in parallel. We have pushed away all energy sources, making ourselves dependent on Putin. Now we hang on to it.”
The previous government, of which De Wever's party was part, decided that the Belgian nuclear centers Tihange 2 and Doel 3 should close.
“It's a purple-green law. We now have a purple-green government. That is a recipe for catastrophe.”
Prime Minister Alexander De Croo says the country is 'in an economic war situation'.
“Everything has to be on the table.”
According to De Wever, it is time 'for bitter truths'...
“This country is bankrupt.”
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09-07-2022, 10:54 AM
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It should be invested in and it will be. But the pace should be set by advancement and market, organically. Not by Governor Slickback's "Great Leap Forward" diktats.
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09-07-2022, 11:27 AM
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i dont want a smart home or ev. this is proof they can shut your hvac down, not let you charge your expensive af ev (cause our infrastructure cant support it) or they can just shut your car down with a keystroke. no thanks to any of that ****
09-08-2022, 12:48 PM
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