Even with it...it was, ummmm...not very impressive.

I wonder if the Supra is going to be their Halo car or are they going to make it affordable??? Learn from Mazda's RX7 Toyota, unless your going for a nitch sports car don't over price the dang thing like you did the first time with the Supra to then say...opps, we overpriced the Supra.

 

Mitsu does this, it is called an Evo. All it has that is worth anything is a motor and suspension.

Maybe if we could get the performance of an Evo with the quality of a Mazda we would be set.

 

^don't forget the looks...lol

 

I don't question and fully understand why they wouldn't make a sports car just merely disappointed they didn't have something to satisfy rev-heads like us, their lineup is amazing actually, just not available to most of us. Plus why would they offer a 260 hp station wagon with an auto tranny, a 1.8 litre AWD corolla runx (not the matrix the US gets), its weird when you think about it.

 

Yeah if only they offer the option of a 2ZZGE engine in the spyder (not that the 1ZZFE ain't enough) or an altezza with the 3SGTE engine.

 

huh? Their JDM lineup sucks too. If you don't mind AT, then no need to get a Lexus IS... pick up a Crown Athlete... same platform, same engine, less price (http://toyota.jp/crownathlete/index.html). The Corolla looks like *** and doesn't even drive that sporty anyway (http://toyota.jp/corollarunx/index.html). The Mazda Axcela (mazda3) has been doing great since it's launch and the Evo Wagon is a better choice if you want AWD performance. In that price range the Legacy GT Wagon is also available as well as the Forrester STi. The Vitz is consistently ranked lower than the Mazda Demio (Mazda2) and Honda Fit.... and now the new Suzuki Swift Sport is really cleaning up (http://www.suzuki.co.jp/swiftsport/).

 

Their JDM doesn't suck, just a bit out of place like the Caldina GT4 with the 3SGTE engine, why a powerful engine in a station wagon with an auto tranny. They could have dump it into an altezza instead. They could put the 2ZZGE in the MRS but didn't. As the Mark X and other family sedan, those are quite powerful with lots of mod potential but too heavy and its a family sedan. And finally why dump the 2ZZGE in the Vitz. Its plain weird, toyota could have easily make a sportscar just by swapping different engines they currently produced into their current lineup and some of them I believe is nearly a straight bolt-on.

 

No no... I'm not saying they don't have the "parts"... I'm saying that what they put together and sell sucks. The Caldina looks like ***. The previous model looked better, but... I'd buy a Nissan Stagea, Subaru Legacy Touring Wagon 2.0GT spec.B, or a Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX Wagon. All of them look better come with a MT and are faster.

The MRS should have had the 1.8L engine tuned to 190hp that they used in the Vibe, Corolla and Lotus Elise.

The Vitz just plain and simple sucks ***. It's ugly. It got even more so with the current model... the previous one looked better. I ABSOLUTELY HATE the center instrument/gauge pod (which is also used in the Bb/Scion xB). Almost everything Toyota makes comes in AT only... WTF?! Toyota knows jack and **** about making sports cars (which is different than race cars). The Supra always sucked... big, heavy, expensive. It's GT car, not a sports car. The Celica was always underpowered except for the GT4 model... which was never sold in USDM. The Camry... bites. Basically the whole model lineup (except for the new Lexus) are Zzzz.

 

Sorry guy but I just don't' agree with you. I think for what it was the Mazdaspeed Proteg'e was a fun car. And the Mazdaspeed Miata was an absolute blast to drive and it only cost like $700.00 more than a normal Miata. The MS6 is fast, good looking with AWD and most reviews are very favorable. I think Mazda has one of the best sports car lineups on the market today. The 6 is one of the best looking family cars out now. And it is much sportier than the Honda or Toyota cars out. The new Miata is a gem as always and we all know how great the RX-8 is. I like the direction Mazda is going and look forward to seeing the cars they bring out in the future. I'm all for ***** to the wall performance cars but the FD was such a car and even if it was a wonderful car (my favorite of all time) it was still a failure for the most part. I think they have to take a more practical approach to the cars they sell now. It's not like they have lot's of money to throw around like some of the competition has.

 

Lets see..

The engine in the MSP was weak, and to this day has all kinds of problems with the ECU and tuning. There were better, faster cars in the same price range that used an NA engine (and some that used FI), it was a **** poor atempt at adding FI to a sport compact. Go to the protege forums and search the word hesitation if you don't believe me. The MSMiata had too soft of a suspension and many people still felt the regular Miata was better and more fun, it also wasn't anything special performance wise. Combine the negatives of the MS Miata and MSP, add some weight and AWD and you have the MS6.

 

I understand where you are comming from, but extra HP never kept a car from being sold...lol.

By the way, maybe the MS6 could be more but I really like it regardless. It looks better than most run of the mill sadan's, has AWD and a nice interior...and it's faster than most sadan's out there.

Just remember...

Enough HP = not enough
Too much HP = just right

lol, Mazda seems to be off by about 30-50HP in their cars depending on the model.

 

3rd in this comparo performance wise.... not bad, it is a mazdaSPEED car.

 

Yet 5th overall...

 

That's a shocker up against upscale luxury brands such as Lexus, BMW, Audi, and Infiniti.

 

I bet finishing order has soemthing to do with the wrong gas

 

I bet it has more to do with the handling, but falling on its face at the end of the 1/4 mile doesn't help. Blaming the gas is silly though, blame Mazda for not tuning the ECU properly.

 

I do think it's pretty silly to have the engine take those wastegate precautions if not running 93. It's at every station around here but 91 or higher should cut it. It would not surprise me if Mazda came out with a fix soon however. Also I think R&T guess at thier accleration times. 5.1 to a Legacy GT seems very optimistic (all times seem low except speed6), I have actually driven a "spec B'(very low mileage,respected car wasn't mine) and it felt slower than a speed6 although just my butt dyno. Coming from an 8 I thought it felt too FWD, they should make the bias toward the rear if possibly, while there at it....slim up 300-400lbs and a nice even 300 sae hp and 300tq would get me to get one. I get VERY close but after all the bickering with the dealer it wasn't sporty enough. Unfortantly we agree IKE jk

 

why is it that mazda can develop a 300hp version of the mzr all n/a for the Atlantic kart series but can't deliver the goods to the paying consumer.