DARKMAZ8

I am sick of Mazda and their half *** attemps at Mazdaspeed. Sure they all have turbos but they're still watered down bigtime. What really pisses me off is the fact that they have the potential but never use it. On top of everything there's hardly any aftermarket for them.

All I want is a car that will put the speed in Mazdaspeed.

ASH8

Here are a few pics of the Mazdaspeed 3 (Euro)..
https://www.rx8club.com/general-automotive-49/mazdaspeed-3-geneva-motor-show-82820/

DARKMAZ8

Looks like a cool car but I feel that Mazda should go back to its roots and lighten the Mazdaspeed cars and then worry about power. The ms6 for example weighs 300kg more then the v6 version. That 300kg would have made the ms6 go like stink. I know the awd adds weight but Mazda should find ways to cut weight in other areas. In short, Mazdaspeed should be a no comprimise nameplate not a fashion statement. ms cars should not come with leather, power seats, pw, sunroof, ect. and a/c should be an option. It should be built for the enthusiast.

snizzle

I agree. The MazdaSpeed nameplate is just not up to the levels of the likes of SVT, SRT, etc.

NgoRX8

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I agree with you Maz.

TALAN7

I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY! Mazdaspeed is not up to SVT, M, AMG, levels of performance. In my opinion they are overpriced also. I think the problem is because Mazda's making them thieselves. If it was an outside company putting the performance in them they would probably fly.

ASH8

I also agree DM..

It is about time Mazda became serious and offered "real" alternatives, I have often wondered if Mazda's Web-Tune factory (Japan) could be offered world wide in some form, with a more comprehensive list of genuine parts made available aftermarket, even expanding that to a real "build" of your car before its made, to whatever specs that are available at the time, why not some type of web based template where Mazda distributors could offer "real" limited production runs of a particular model based on a group of clients wants/needs, and then as a group vehicles are ordered after down payments are received.

I just thing Mazda and their distributors could offer more to those who are prepared to pay for the privilege, yeah, I know then there are OEM parts supply issues also with this type of custom ordering, but, they could be overcome.

Here in Australia, we are offered very little choice, and pay a premium price for what we get.

Think outside the norm.

Does anyone think a scheme like this would work and succeed...pie in the sky?
Or, is it already available?

khtm

I agree 100%. Jeeeeez Mazda!

Ike

It has become clear that Mazda is absolutely clueless when it comes to the tuner/sport compact market, moreso than any other carmaker out there it seems.

buzzardsluck

https://www.rx8club.com/general-automotive-49/mazda-reports-operating-profit-rise-31-percent-82713/

^^With those numbers, I doubt they are questioning the direction of the company.

I do however agree w/everyone else. It would be cool to see a limitied production "racing" car.

What car company really does this though right now?

Ike

I don't want a racing car I'd like to see a serious performance car from them that isn't confused as to its purpose.

DARKMAZ8

Maybe Mazda should consult other shops instead of Racing beat. Looking at RB's product line you will see simularities between the two.

snizzle

They are trying to appeal to everyone.... it probably makes better business sense for them but pisses off the enthusiast at the same time.

DARKMAZ8

MS products shouldn't appeal to everyone. That's what the regular line up is for.

rx8wannahave

I agree...they should do better, but I think right now they are just trying to gain more market share. They are taking it slow (to slow for us of course) and like you all their standard cars are missing 25-50HP let alone their MS offerings.

I think in time they will do better...they just seem to always be a step behind in outright power.

Think of the MS8 (if it ever comes) out...I'd bet they fix up the looks, do some suspension work, and add about 35HP or so. I could be wrong (I hope so) but history tells otherwise.

What would I do? a MS should come with 100 more HP then stock so there is no mistaking it's a MS!

snizzle

I just said it makes better business sense for them in the same way that someone chooses the V6 Altima over the V4. You've gotta admit, mspd versions are little more than a trim level up rather than truely performance oriented.

A ***** to the wall no frills performance version (which is what mspd SHOULD be) would certainly sell less. Regardless, I think that's what it should be about but they are taking a more conservative approach.

dupa12345

ok .. on top of all that who came up with the badge mazdaspeed .. it makes no sense .. doesnt sound right .. doesnt rol of the tounge easily .. sux

btw .. i saw the rs4 at chicago auto show .. droooll ... it was .. droolll .. awesome ... drooll

yes before i realized i was standing in a small pond of my own drool

for comparison .. i think i spend about 2 minutes in ms6 .. and to be honest most ppl didnt even know the difference between it and the other 6s

DARKMAZ8

Ok I understand your point but I also feel that Mazda would sell a **** load of bare bones peformance cars if they made them. For 1, they would be cheaper since in essence it's just a base car with a modified motor, suspension, ect.
The 2nd reason why it would sell like hotcakes is because the tuner crowd would actually embrace a mazda product and this type of exposure would help more then hurt imo.

If Mazda builds it, they will come.

yiksing

Give MAzda or Mazdaspeed a break, at least they are not like Toyota who couldn't even be bothered with the sports car market anymore.

Ike

Whether you like it or not it's pretty tough to question what Toyota is doing with their product line.

DARKMAZ8

Mazda ads always say "everything we make has the soul of a sports car". I don't think it's asking Mazda too much to practice what they preach.

snizzle

Except that they're boring. Good quality cars they certainly are. I guess seing the Camry in Nascar changes everything

I'd say the majority of their lineup is sporty if that means anything. The 6 looks pretty mean compared to the rest of the sedans in its class and had me considering a sedan for a while . Now the soul of sports car.... yeah, no. Especially after I drove it in comparison to the 8.

DARKMAZ8, i think most everyone is in agreement with you here. Mazda needs to step up to the plate with their MSPD lineup.

rx8wannahave

Yeah, Toyota is a heck of a car company...like Honda, but while Honda has some soul in them Toyota seems dead inside. Honestly, I'm not attracted to any of their products because while I understand they offer great value I have come to expect "fun to drive" character from a car which is something that Toyota is lacking.

I hear they are going to build the Supra again...so we shall see if they wake up in that department...hopefully, they put effort into it like they are doing with their trucks.

I think all of us here pretty much love Mazda, but most of us agree they need to do better and be more aggressive in the HP deparment.

Animagix

well... they do have the MR-Spyder <-hahaha

snizzle

HAD the Spyder