kersh4w

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its fail because the 370z has 330hp. its fail because the bmw 335i has 330hp. its fail because the new camaro is going to have a shitload of more horsepower.

it'll have more horsepower than the 2011 rx8, but it wont handle anywhere near as well so.. yeah. it still fails. although, unless mazda pulls something out of its *** the new rx8 is going to fail against the 370z. unless 4 seats is your only selling point.

i was kind of liking it till i saw that profile view. it still looks fat. look at the front. ... they need to squish it down at least 6"

devildog1679

It also fails because the Camaro V6 will have 300hp and will cost about 4K less.

Decat

Are you kidding? The '67 was by far the bast looking year, especially the convertible......... Sorry I am totally biased my dad and I restored a '66 fastback and then a '67 Convertible, still love the '67 convertible look and personally think it was all downhill after that.

9krpmrx8

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Torque Rules, Not Horsepower.

XlYesterdaYlX

i think ill stick with the camaro.

CarAndDriver

I finally saw my first 2010 Mustang and (drum roll), it was a rental Stang! How appropriate. Just like countless versions before, that car is going to be pimped to Hertz and the whole fleet crack gang.

Vlaze

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The Stang looks like *Gasp* the same facking thing. It's got nothing on the Camaro. All that awaited hype to reveal another cookie cutter.

alienRX8

you wont all stick with the camaro when Ford puts in that 5.0L Coyote V8 in the mustang like they already confirmed.

i still like the looks of the camaro more on the outside but inside the mustang looks better

Vlaze

iTrader: (14)

Oh yes I will. It still looks like **** regardless of power, and it's still a Ford. They can easily compete with upgrades and weight, point is why drive it if it looks and feels like ****, same old ****.

alnielsen

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That's how the Taurus became the largest selling car in the U.S.

dillsrotary

Anyone drive a new Mustang? Or are we just fanboys?

CyberPitz

You DO remember what forum you're on, right?

TBH, I'm curious to hear driven results as well.

alienRX8

at least the magazines speak well of the 2010 mustang, they say it is pretty well balanced and it feels great in the corners plus its the lightest of the muscle car crowd. The only downside being its not IRS but you only notice that when the road is not smooth.

dynamho

I like the new Mustang.
I read about the Coyote V8. The pairing should be interesting if it happens.

CarAndDriver

Yeah, have read the same things. Unfortunately, the US has pretty crappy roads. So much for finding non-bumpy pavement.

I think the V6 is pretty wimpy compared to the Camaro base V6, even if the Camaro starts a bit higher.

rubberduckie

Saw a couple at the dealership which I frequent for work... like the more aggressive outer appearance, and the interior is nicer. But the 09 interior was so horrible, IMHO, that this refresh brings it only up to ugly.

All these companies are going back to retro because that is actually when they had success?

renesisgenesis

They are directly mathematically related. HP is torque/time. Oh and just so you know, a car with 600 torques and 200 bhp would be absolutely slaughtered by the same car with a motor giving 600 bhp and 200 torques.

So...actually it looks like, if anything, bhp rules, not torque; but really, they both rule because they are both related in the same mathematical equation.

YaXMaNGTO

You making up new units of measurement, renesisgenesis? I think the term youre looking for is "lb-ft" pronounced "pound-feet".

tor·ques (tôr′kwēz′) noun
a ring of hair, feathers, or modified skin around the neck of an animal or bird, of a distinctive color or form

CyberPitz

I, in no means, enjoy the looks of either the new Mustang or the new Camaro, but on paper and what people are saying, the 'Stang seems to have grabbed the roots again. No sissy car like what has been released in years past. That's good for the car. They've been the *** end of jokes for quite a while.

JRichter

Lol, but "torques" is how I commonly hear it referred to in British automotive programming.