Turboing the 8
05-01-2006, 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by kunz
Dave, why isnt Ciao allowed on the forum to share his findings/product?
I'm not really aware of the reasons behind his (permanent) ban, I just hope its not being done to kill competition by the 'powers that be' who influence the Aussie section of this forum.
I'm not really aware of the reasons behind his (permanent) ban, I just hope its not being done to kill competition by the 'powers that be' who influence the Aussie section of this forum.
As Omicron said - you want to know - PM him. He's not gonna bite you.
However, I'm happy to say I don't believe there was the kind of ulterior motive you're describing.
Anyway, as we keep saying, he's alive and well over at .com.au - he's just not welcome here.
05-01-2006, 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Revolver
You're conveniently ignoring the fact that Mazda Australia spent time and money developing some turbo prototypes but then effectively abandoned the project (read my post again - I didn't say all who had previously gone turbo had gone to S/C). Given MA's previous development and sale of the turbo NB MX5 this has some significance.
Originally Posted by Revolver
Call me stupid if you like but I also believe Joe Signorelli and his team at RotorMaster have a great deal of credibility in the business of building blown rotaries. When they too spend time and money developing a turbo option and then also abandon that project in favour of S/C, there's enough smoke for this little black duck to think there's fire.
Originally Posted by Revolver
And that doesn't even include Hymee and co. who are developing S/C for some reasons which they have explained at length in their threads.
Originally Posted by Revolver
As for the number of turbo Renesis motors cracking 300hp, I'm only aware of two (both in Qld) and I wouldn't know what kind of numbers they are developing. I know even less whether they are a reliable option for a daily driver.
Originally Posted by Revolver
Like it or not there's only been the ONE company to do the work and get a FI kit to market locally to date. The turbo supporters will have some more credibility when a proven kit becomes a commercially available option for the regular consumer (i.e. someone who doesn't have a tuner living in the garage).
05-01-2006, 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Revolver
As Omicron said - you want to know - PM him. He's not gonna bite you.
05-01-2006, 05:51 AM
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The whole thread achieved nothing....
There is a chinese saying that we are "talking war on paper".
It is so unproductive.
Revolver, could you insert your highly amusing off-topic post of the week --->HERE<----
I think it would be more interesting than what the thread is heading...
There is a chinese saying that we are "talking war on paper".
It is so unproductive.
Revolver, could you insert your highly amusing off-topic post of the week --->HERE<----
I think it would be more interesting than what the thread is heading...
05-01-2006, 06:50 AM
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OK. No more theories etc here about the identites of posters please. CIAO was banned for breaking rules. It isn't anything about competition. My posts on the axial flow thread are testament to that.
Back on topic... Turbo-ing an RX-8.
Yes, I have driven one. Only for about 10 or 15 minutes. I'm not sure if my comments would count for much here, as some would suggest bias.
Mazfix has hit the 300 mark. I cant remember the exact figure, but it was much nearer 300 than 260. Might have even topped 300. Interesting to see if the <insert locally made catback here> gives him anything. Fingers crossed.
The only thing I will say is that I am glad to go the positive displacement route, for all the same reasons why I chose to go that way. I just can't wait to get this engine dyno time.
And no - I'm not a turbo hater. Why would I spend so much time helping out (in my small way) a turbo'd 20B drag racing team? I had reasons to try out the twin-screw, and I think the reason are still valid. And it isn't 2 years yet - however, that is elapsed time. It bears no relationship to the actual time
Yes, we have spent many, many hours. But nothing like 2 years full time.
Cheers,
Hymee.
Back on topic... Turbo-ing an RX-8.
Yes, I have driven one. Only for about 10 or 15 minutes. I'm not sure if my comments would count for much here, as some would suggest bias.
Mazfix has hit the 300 mark. I cant remember the exact figure, but it was much nearer 300 than 260. Might have even topped 300. Interesting to see if the <insert locally made catback here> gives him anything. Fingers crossed.
The only thing I will say is that I am glad to go the positive displacement route, for all the same reasons why I chose to go that way. I just can't wait to get this engine dyno time.
And no - I'm not a turbo hater. Why would I spend so much time helping out (in my small way) a turbo'd 20B drag racing team? I had reasons to try out the twin-screw, and I think the reason are still valid. And it isn't 2 years yet - however, that is elapsed time. It bears no relationship to the actual time
Yes, we have spent many, many hours. But nothing like 2 years full time.Cheers,
Hymee.
05-01-2006, 07:41 AM
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Somebody is selling a GReddy kit out of the box here in OZ for $5500 - not sure if it is still available:
https://www.rx8club.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1107
That's pretty cheap. Coupled with the fixes MazdaManiac has come up with
https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-major-horsepower-upgrades-93/definitive-greddy-turbo-fixes-here-they-81825/
some of the US guys are getting close to 300HP at the wheels. I did see someone on the US forum with 13.1 timeslips on slicks with a modified Greddy kit.
The Mazsport guys are also getting really good results (~340HP at the wheels) with the InterceptorX and a modified greddy kit.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...3&page=1&pp=15
The next 12 months are shaping up pretty well in terms of FI developments I think!
Taka: I don't know why you are so scared of blowing your engine, with the money you have spent on track mods so far you could have bought a brand new replacement motor if yours went south
Seriously though - aren't new Renesis engines about 3k?
https://www.rx8club.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1107
That's pretty cheap. Coupled with the fixes MazdaManiac has come up with
https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-major-horsepower-upgrades-93/definitive-greddy-turbo-fixes-here-they-81825/
some of the US guys are getting close to 300HP at the wheels. I did see someone on the US forum with 13.1 timeslips on slicks with a modified Greddy kit.
The Mazsport guys are also getting really good results (~340HP at the wheels) with the InterceptorX and a modified greddy kit.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...3&page=1&pp=15
The next 12 months are shaping up pretty well in terms of FI developments I think!
Taka: I don't know why you are so scared of blowing your engine, with the money you have spent on track mods so far you could have bought a brand new replacement motor if yours went south
Seriously though - aren't new Renesis engines about 3k?
05-01-2006, 05:18 PM
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As requested, I'm going to ignore the peanut gallery. 
rotarenvy, you make some valid points and I guess time will tell whether turbocharging or supercharging is the way to go. It may just be that both are equally valid depending on what you want the car to do. I mean, there's a big difference between the guy who wants max power to go racing (or perhaps just fluff his ego) and the guy who just wants a more mild power and torque increase for a reliable daily driver setup.
I read all this stuff and just think it's all so much talk. Most of us can't really be sure about what we're on about until we've test-driven some cars with these varying setups.
rotarenvy, you make some valid points and I guess time will tell whether turbocharging or supercharging is the way to go. It may just be that both are equally valid depending on what you want the car to do. I mean, there's a big difference between the guy who wants max power to go racing (or perhaps just fluff his ego) and the guy who just wants a more mild power and torque increase for a reliable daily driver setup.
I read all this stuff and just think it's all so much talk. Most of us can't really be sure about what we're on about until we've test-driven some cars with these varying setups.
i can see now that only money and time will tell whats best for the RX8 and the hip pocket
05-01-2006, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan 8
....i can see now that only money and time will tell whats best for the RX8 and the hip pocket
. However, you wouldn't want to buy any turbo without checking that it is provided with silver service after sale support, for example. You don't want to end up with some half cooked jobbie either. You'd hate to spend a lot of money and wind up with a sour taste in your mouth.Caveat Emptor, buyer beware. Don't take pot luck when forking out serious coin.
05-01-2006, 10:20 PM
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I have been in contact with Caio. After he was banned i have been following up on his turbo project. He has the tranny issue sorted and he is on the road again. I posted this a while back in the major horsepower section but it just kinda fizzled out and no one payed attention to it. Infact all that really happend was the attacks on Caio. Its over! Forget about it. Only Ciao himself knows the real answer. However, I feel it is wrong to talk about/attack someone like this and he doesnt even have the ability or chance to defend himself.
05-01-2006, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Gomez
I agree with you Dan . However, you wouldn't want to buy any turbo without checking that it is provided with silver service after sale support, for example. You don't want to end up with some half cooked jobbie either. You'd hate to spend a lot of money and wind up with a sour taste in your mouth.
Caveat Emptor, buyer beware. Don't take pot luck when forking out serious coin.
. However, you wouldn't want to buy any turbo without checking that it is provided with silver service after sale support, for example. You don't want to end up with some half cooked jobbie either. You'd hate to spend a lot of money and wind up with a sour taste in your mouth.Caveat Emptor, buyer beware. Don't take pot luck when forking out serious coin.
So much for service and aftersales support 
05-01-2006, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by mike1324a
I have been in contact with Caio. After he was banned i have been following up on his turbo project. He has the tranny issue sorted and he is on the road again. I posted this a while back in the major horsepower section but it just kinda fizzled out and no one payed attention to it. Infact all that really happend was the attacks on Caio. Its over! Forget about it. Only Ciao himself knows the real answer. However, I feel it is wrong to talk about/attack someone like this and he doesnt even have the ability or chance to defend himself.
05-01-2006, 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan 8
From what i have read GReedy have a good name and look at the mess they made with their kit So much for service and aftersales support
So much for service and aftersales support A smorgasbord of options are now coming to fruition. No need to wait now that other FI options are on the menu.
05-01-2006, 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan 8
From what i have read GReedy have a good name and look at the mess they made with their kit So much for service and aftersales support
So much for service and aftersales support
05-01-2006, 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Gomez
Hahahaha.....all the best Mike. Please get back to us and let us know how it all goes after you have it installed and running.
it sounds like your very confident that caio's kit will fail, from what i can tell your a very sarcastic/imature person, please if you have any information as to why you think you know everything abbout caio's kit, please let me know so i can laugh along with you.
05-01-2006, 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by mirkop
it sounds like your very confident that caio's kit will fail, from what i can tell your a very sarcastic/imature person, please if you have any information as to why you think you know everything abbout caio's kit, please let me know so i can laugh along with you.
Incorrect.
I am in fact quite mature.
I know nothing at all about "the kit".
I do however very much doubt Mike will ever buy one.
He lives in Atlanta, Georgia, as you are well aware...............
05-02-2006, 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by mirkop
and becasue he lives their it means he wont purchase one, its probably such a remote place on this planet they probably never heard of express freight.
It may have escaped your notice mirkop that the "kit" you are talking about isn't even on the market for commercial sale. Bit hard to air freight a product that hasn't been released yet.
I'm not trying to be catty here. Our most recent info is that Ciao (Dave) is still testing his prototype and hasn't yet offered a separate kit for sale to anyone.
If and when he does and guys like Mike buy and fit them, we'll then have something more concrete to talk about. In the meantime, it seems to me that you just want to troll and pick fights with Gomez because he has proffered theories that there has been some identity fraud going on in this and similar threads. If you have a problem with that please take it up with Gomez and/or the mods and leave the rest of us to discuss something more real.
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Originally Posted by Gomez
Hello mirkop!
Incorrect.
I am in fact quite mature.
I know nothing at all about "the kit".
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Incorrect.
I am in fact quite mature.
I know nothing at all about "the kit".
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I find you offensive ,sarcastic and immature as well . I am sure Mirkop is on the right track .You know nothing of the kit yet you make comments such as the sarcastic ones you are famous for
Get a life !
Ciaos kit looks great and the videos speak for themselves .His kit has been complete for a while as far as i gather ,and he is only testing for longievety on the track . Not bashing Hymee but him, RP along with some others on the major horsepower section trialing superchargers have not released anything and they have all been approx 2 years in the making
We all have seen the makings and progress of Ciaos kit and have seen it go from idea to completion in a month ,with a first dyno , i beleive of 260 whp
To wait till HE is happy to release it , i think shows a level of credability
Marlew
05-02-2006, 01:36 AM
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Holy moly - there's more trolls in here than a Shrek convention. 
As I said to the last bloke, let's cool it and talk facts, not personalities.
Personally, I reckon there should be a moratorium on discussing Ciao's "kit" until it is for sale or there's something else factual to talk about (e.g. new dyno figures, etc). Hashing over old crap like how long it's taken Hymee to develop his S/C system achieves nothing.
As I said to the last bloke, let's cool it and talk facts, not personalities.
Personally, I reckon there should be a moratorium on discussing Ciao's "kit" until it is for sale or there's something else factual to talk about (e.g. new dyno figures, etc). Hashing over old crap like how long it's taken Hymee to develop his S/C system achieves nothing.