Turboing the 8
04-30-2006, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by rotarenvy
I have the feeling the SC preference started as people know you can't fit a large turbo in the normal location. that and possibly due to the amount of I want SC voices on this thread wanting low down torque.
as taka realises lag isn't such a big deal once your moving. people with the greddy kit state that it is trying to boost when cruising (3-4k rpm). why do you need boost below this? only drag racing will benefit and then your risking the gearbox.
SC are inefficient and heat the air. a correctly chosen turbo will be more efficient. the axialflow unit might be the solution. have you noticed hymee's comments how the SC produces boost from idle and that his expensive motec is the answer in controlling the unstable ignition at low rpm. sounds risky to me but I'm confident he has the know-how behind him to get it right.
as taka realises lag isn't such a big deal once your moving. people with the greddy kit state that it is trying to boost when cruising (3-4k rpm). why do you need boost below this? only drag racing will benefit and then your risking the gearbox.
SC are inefficient and heat the air. a correctly chosen turbo will be more efficient. the axialflow unit might be the solution. have you noticed hymee's comments how the SC produces boost from idle and that his expensive motec is the answer in controlling the unstable ignition at low rpm. sounds risky to me but I'm confident he has the know-how behind him to get it right.
I'll be keen to drive cars with both options in the future to see how they compare in real world driving. As you say, unless you're some TLGP hero there's not a lot of dragstrip work involved in our car's lives.
04-30-2006, 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Revolver
More an old skirmish revisited Dan. Let's hope it doesn't return again.
Let us know what you end up getting and what you think of it. Some dyno figures would also be good if you're prepared to share such info.
Let us know what you end up getting and what you think of it. Some dyno figures would also be good if you're prepared to share such info.
I definetely want more power than stock
guess i will wait and see what develops in the next few months with all the various FI kits .After reading as much as possible on FI Iam confused
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05-01-2006, 12:13 AM
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All depends what you mean by reliable (and what you want to do with it).
I've spoken with a customer of the RotorMaster S/C kit who says he's very happy with it as a daily driver and hasn't had any reliability problems. I don't know anyone who's tracking or otherwise putting a lot of pressure on their car with one though.
As for the GReddy, see Gomez's earlier comments. I'm yet to be convinced that turboing is the way to go. Too many local people who seem to have the experience and expertise have abandoned T/C (either completely or for S/C) after spending quite a bit of time and $$$ developing a T/C setup. That rings enough alarm bells for me not to bother with the GReddy option and we're yet to see Ciao's or anyone else's turbo setup offered as a commercially available kit.
And then there's Hymee's third option, which we're all waiting patiently for.
I've spoken with a customer of the RotorMaster S/C kit who says he's very happy with it as a daily driver and hasn't had any reliability problems. I don't know anyone who's tracking or otherwise putting a lot of pressure on their car with one though.
As for the GReddy, see Gomez's earlier comments. I'm yet to be convinced that turboing is the way to go. Too many local people who seem to have the experience and expertise have abandoned T/C (either completely or for S/C) after spending quite a bit of time and $$$ developing a T/C setup. That rings enough alarm bells for me not to bother with the GReddy option and we're yet to see Ciao's or anyone else's turbo setup offered as a commercially available kit.
And then there's Hymee's third option, which we're all waiting patiently for.
05-01-2006, 12:28 AM
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one company has changed from turbo to SC. one! that's it.
even that company uses a centrifugal SC with a similar compressor to a turbo. probably since they couldn't fit the same size compressor on a turbo with the limited space.
how many SC rotaries do you see? the numbers of turbo renesis motors cracking 300hp is growing steadily.
even that company uses a centrifugal SC with a similar compressor to a turbo. probably since they couldn't fit the same size compressor on a turbo with the limited space.
how many SC rotaries do you see? the numbers of turbo renesis motors cracking 300hp is growing steadily.
05-01-2006, 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by EZZY
and conflict of interest too?
Originally Posted by rotarenvy
I have similar questions, so I think mirkop's comments are fine.
good to see we live in a totalitarian state where the ruling party is always right.
good to see we live in a totalitarian state where the ruling party is always right.
Originally Posted by mirkop
conspiracy i say
Ithink id funny how ezzy says conflict of interest and all of a sudden The big boss Omricon talks . There is a pattern i see
Gomez chime in and then timbo then revolver .
Iam sure more than Ezzy see this pattern , i do
Ihaver seen the video of cioas car in full flight and really moves
It lookjs like the best option for turbo .You can see thre power
So far i see there is only Rotor master , Which I really dont like and cioas which is doing test poilishing i think ,Why would you pay 13k on a kit , I would just do suspension mod and maybe brakes then power upgrade
for the price of ciaso turbo , you can get suspension mod and brakes under 12 k
I think hymee is done a great job for rx8 with the scanaliser , but i think he choose the wrong of induction .I have a s5 rx7 and the best part of a rotary is the constan surge of power through the revs and the power build up
Rotor master is only p[owerful in the high revs .a turbo gives a good low midrange push , thats why i own rotaries
Mirkop can you PM me with Ciaos email and update s please ?
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Taka is right too when he say the power under 3k is not nessecsary
if you can clutch good it doesnt matter .Axial supercharger looks like is nearly finished and is compact as well . it will be intesrting to see the price of this type of fi
if you can clutch good it doesnt matter .Axial supercharger looks like is nearly finished and is compact as well . it will be intesrting to see the price of this type of fi
05-01-2006, 01:14 AM
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Please give me a link to where a tubro 8 has been racing (I mean racing as in doing 20 laps race, and in different circuit)....
So far there are track days with the turbo 8... some reported issues that need to be addressed.
It is still only a "street" solution. I yet to see anything that allows me to spend my money on at all :p
My mod continue and if that means i have a fun NA - so be it and it is at least very fulfilling to drive.
Boy was that fun testing my car yesterday.
Just doing alignment settings, tyre pressure and damper adjustment testings is more than enough fun for me
Please give me a link to where a tubro 8 has been racing (I mean racing as in doing 20 laps race, and in different circuit)....
So far there are track days with the turbo 8... some reported issues that need to be addressed.
It is still only a "street" solution. I yet to see anything that allows me to spend my money on at all :p
My mod continue and if that means i have a fun NA - so be it and it is at least very fulfilling to drive.
Boy was that fun testing my car yesterday.
Just doing alignment settings, tyre pressure and damper adjustment testings is more than enough fun for me
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good job Taka.
Ciao says he uses tyrack testing ,but you are right 20 laps is the test .Maybe ciao can take video of his test track session and i will be feel more confident of the turbo setup , or any type of setup with fi
Ciao says he uses tyrack testing ,but you are right 20 laps is the test .Maybe ciao can take video of his test track session and i will be feel more confident of the turbo setup , or any type of setup with fi
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05-01-2006, 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by sprootz
Too many coincidence of this .
Ithink id funny how ezzy says conflict of interest and all of a sudden The big boss Omricon talks . There is a pattern i see
Gomez chime in and then timbo then revolver .
Iam sure more than Ezzy see this pattern , i do
Ihaver seen the video of cioas car in full flight and really moves
It lookjs like the best option for turbo .You can see thre power
So far i see there is only Rotor master , Which I really dont like and cioas which is doing test poilishing i think ,Why would you pay 13k on a kit , I would just do suspension mod and maybe brakes then power upgrade
for the price of ciaso turbo , you can get suspension mod and brakes under 12 k
I think hymee is done a great job for rx8 with the scanaliser , but i think he choose the wrong of induction .I have a s5 rx7 and the best part of a rotary is the constan surge of power through the revs and the power build up
Rotor master is only p[owerful in the high revs .a turbo gives a good low midrange push , thats why i own rotaries
Mirkop can you PM me with Ciaos email and update s please ?
Ithink id funny how ezzy says conflict of interest and all of a sudden The big boss Omricon talks . There is a pattern i see
Gomez chime in and then timbo then revolver .
Iam sure more than Ezzy see this pattern , i do
Ihaver seen the video of cioas car in full flight and really moves
It lookjs like the best option for turbo .You can see thre power
So far i see there is only Rotor master , Which I really dont like and cioas which is doing test poilishing i think ,Why would you pay 13k on a kit , I would just do suspension mod and maybe brakes then power upgrade
for the price of ciaso turbo , you can get suspension mod and brakes under 12 k
I think hymee is done a great job for rx8 with the scanaliser , but i think he choose the wrong of induction .I have a s5 rx7 and the best part of a rotary is the constan surge of power through the revs and the power build up
Rotor master is only p[owerful in the high revs .a turbo gives a good low midrange push , thats why i own rotaries
Mirkop can you PM me with Ciaos email and update s please ?
05-01-2006, 01:50 AM
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I really dont know what happened with Ciao but I really would like to see his ride along with the some stats on his turbo.
05-01-2006, 02:19 AM
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Man these threads have more mistery to them than Agatha Christie.
Why are people attacking posts by Ciao , mirkop and sproozt ??? i am confused
Being new to this forum can someone help straighten me out
Why are people attacking posts by Ciao , mirkop and sproozt ??? i am confused
Being new to this forum can someone help straighten me out
05-01-2006, 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan 8
Why are people attacking posts by Ciao , mirkop and sproozt ??? i am confused
I dont think I was around when all these shenanigans started
05-01-2006, 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by kunz
You're not the only one confused Dan.
I dont think I was around when all these shenanigans started
I dont think I was around when all these shenanigans started
I definetely prefer a reversable system just in case i want to bring the car back to stock .
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05-01-2006, 03:37 AM
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Kunz, mirkop is the only mone with info on cioas kit ,I would like to see more too
gomez make up your mind is it mirkop or me that is being ciao ?
i will check the .com.au to get some more info i think .
ciaos ozzy turbo thread is close on this site
gomez make up your mind is it mirkop or me that is being ciao ?
i will check the .com.au to get some more info i think .
ciaos ozzy turbo thread is close on this site
05-01-2006, 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by rotarenvy
one company has changed from turbo to SC. one! that's it.
even that company uses a centrifugal SC with a similar compressor to a turbo. probably since they couldn't fit the same size compressor on a turbo with the limited space.
how many SC rotaries do you see? the numbers of turbo renesis motors cracking 300hp is growing steadily.
even that company uses a centrifugal SC with a similar compressor to a turbo. probably since they couldn't fit the same size compressor on a turbo with the limited space.
how many SC rotaries do you see? the numbers of turbo renesis motors cracking 300hp is growing steadily.
Call me stupid if you like but I also believe Joe Signorelli and his team at RotorMaster have a great deal of credibility in the business of building blown rotaries. When they too spend time and money developing a turbo option and then also abandon that project in favour of S/C, there's enough smoke for this little black duck to think there's fire.
And that doesn't even include Hymee and co. who are developing S/C for some reasons which they have explained at length in their threads.
As for the number of turbo Renesis motors cracking 300hp, I'm only aware of two (both in Qld) and I wouldn't know what kind of numbers they are developing. I know even less whether they are a reliable option for a daily driver.
Like it or not there's only been the ONE company to do the work and get a FI kit to market locally to date. The turbo supporters will have some more credibility when a proven kit becomes a commercially available option for the regular consumer (i.e. someone who doesn't have a tuner living in the garage).
05-01-2006, 03:49 AM
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sprootz,
If you're really sold on Ciao's setup why don't you go buy one. I see little point in continuing a debate that is giving out more heat than light.
As for me chiming in - big deal. This is a public thread and I'm entitled to contribute just like you.
If you're really sold on Ciao's setup why don't you go buy one. I see little point in continuing a debate that is giving out more heat than light.
As for me chiming in - big deal. This is a public thread and I'm entitled to contribute just like you.
05-01-2006, 04:03 AM
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Dave, why isnt Ciao allowed on the forum to share his findings/product?
I'm not really aware of the reasons behind his (permanent) ban, I just hope its not being done to kill competition by the 'powers that be' who influence the Aussie section of this forum.
I'm not really aware of the reasons behind his (permanent) ban, I just hope its not being done to kill competition by the 'powers that be' who influence the Aussie section of this forum.
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Originally Posted by sprootz
Kunz, mirkop is the only mone with info on cioas kit ,I would like to see more too
gomez make up your mind is it mirkop or me that is being ciao ?
i will check the .com.au to get some more info i think .
ciaos ozzy turbo thread is close on this site
gomez make up your mind is it mirkop or me that is being ciao ?
i will check the .com.au to get some more info i think .
ciaos ozzy turbo thread is close on this site
If you, Ciao, CarlRX8, mirkop and Dan 8 were in a bar together......it'd be a very cheap shout.
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Originally Posted by Gomez
I have made up my mind. I very much doubt I am wrong on this. Here is my theory.
If you, Ciao, CarlRX8, mirkop and Dan 8 were in a bar together......it'd be a very cheap shout.
If you, Ciao, CarlRX8, mirkop and Dan 8 were in a bar together......it'd be a very cheap shout.
carefull gomez, no need to offend people. I take offence to your comment, and think a warning is due.
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Originally Posted by mirkop
carefull gomez, no need to offend people. I take offence to your comment, and think a warning is due.
I'd really love to be proven wrong.