Revolver

Actually, it's not hearsay. He's not purporting to prove something by relying on what someone else has told him. He's claiming to have personally observed his car travel 600 odd kms on a single tank of petrol.

Given what we all know of our respective car's economy and the careful measurement and reporting of fuel economy by various people who owned their car for some time (e.g. Timbo), I just don't believe that.

10l/100km is simply unobtainable in this car in the ordinary course of driving (which is what he seems to be claiming he was doing at the time). I'm prepared to accept that kind of economy might just be possible in certain conditions (e.g. smooth flat highway at a constant speed at ideal revs) but otherwise it's a claim that flys in the face of everything I've ever read about fuel economy in this and other forums, and that's coming from someone who isn't exactly red hot about the whole issue.

FishoftheWeek

I've done under 10l/100km, sticking to the limit on Victorian highways.... and it was a business trip so I've got the log book to prove it.

Driving around town I'm lucky to see it get past 400k before the light comes on though.

Cromax

Again, I say this as someone who is tiring of the scepticism of a few people on this site (I can count them on ONE hand)

Where are Timbo's reports? I've never seen them before. Did he measure and report on his fuel economy in a lab? or general road driving? Is he a physicist? I want to know this if you're using it as evidence. I'm not doing a search, you provide it as you're the one who brought it up!

The stats the company I work for provided to the public from the road testing was 12-14.1L/100km in July 2003 (which was fridgedly cold ... I remember hitting thick black ice that year in the metro area) at the usual test circuit, and I do admit, 10L/100km on the test circuit they use is very much unacheiveable as it's very hilly and windy in places ... and they didn't include their highway circuit in their test stats for their own reasons (they only usually include them for economy cars). The article released to the public can be found here .

My car gets driven mostly 6-7am in the mornings, at night (9pm-ish when I finish work) and after most people's lunch hour. So I don't see much traffic.

Beleive it or not, it happened ... 608km and the car stalled as I rolled into the service station ... FYI most of the k's were clocked in the wee hours of the morning. I have had similar economy before, but this is the best I've ever acheived (I have a feeling I pulled a couple of 580k tanks back and forth from adelaide when the car was new). In Melbourne city traffic, I have acheived 420km off my current tank, which is still over a 1/4 on the dial, and will most likely have at least another 50km left.

Now I've wasted enough time on this.

Cromax

You don't even know what hearsay is!

auzoom

Nate's is so obviously much larger...

Which definition of hearsay should we go by ? http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=e...earsay&spell=1

I will stick to the one that was in context at the time rather than deflect from most recent unprovable statement.

I couldn't give a rats left ******** what the RACV state the fuel economy is of the RX-8 because they, like the ADR81/01 results that Mazda quote, are not everyday driving habits.

In actual fact, i have yet to openly state that your statement was BS. I have purely stated that I find it hard to believe anyone could get that economy. I then continue with an exaggerated statement to make a point that I believe that it may be possible (as Revolver went on to state) under specific, yet hardly realistic, everyday conditions.

DrewMan

hearsay 3rd party information

not perceived with by one of your own senses

inadmissible evidence

several exceptions tho but well get into that later

Cromax

Well ... your head's huge, you know what they say about men with big heads! I'm not the one who drove around like a ******** and then smashed a wheel on a kerb! Ha! I obviously have less to prove than you.

Ok, I'll make it easy for you before you get hurt and I'll try to make it for you to understand. Hearsay is always going to be from a third party. That is why it is called hearsay. ... as in hear and then say! Get it? It's second hand evidence ... not from the horse's mouth.

In this case, it's not hearsay ... it is a fact as it has been observed by myself. In a court, it would probably be admissible, however I'm not a lawyer so I'm only speculating on that. However in any case, it is just one piece of data ... which is why, without looking at my own logbooks, I think my average is about 450km a tank.

I couldn't give a rats if you give a rats right ******** to be perfectly honest! I just replied to revolver's indirect quote to something that I obviously haven't seen, or cannot recall seeing, and gave him one that was equally as useless.

Was your criticism asked for though? Who are you to say it's hardly realistic in every day conditions. Are you a physicist or a mathematician of some sort and have you thoroughly studied this?

Domza

back in your boxes people.

JAT1

im going to start filling my tank with $50 bills, it might be cheaper

Cromax

Oil should be at around $30 a barrel. They should start drilling in places like Canada in the next few years ... it's the arabs that are keeping the price high. You can breathe easy when that happens.

JAT1

and why does fuel jump 15c a litre when we have a long weekend, surely production costs do increase that much?

Cromax

Yeah, it is actually to offset production costs over the long weekend period. Petrol is still produced during the weekend.

EZZY

are you calling andrew a ********? nice, thats another way of maintaining a friendship... (if there was a friendship to start with anyway)
and since when it is okay to laugh at ppl's mis-fortune?

Revolver

Precisely my point FOTW.

As I conceded, in ideal highway conditions, it's probably doable but never in ordinary around town driving.

Revolver

I'm not going to provide you with jackshit. There's a search button - use it.

You're the one that shot your mouth off in the first place making a claim that most of us who have lived with the car a lot longer than you will find almost impossible to believe. You're just dirty because some of us here have finally had enough and are prepared to call you on this stuff.

Oh, and I can count on more than one hand the number of people who have privately told me what they think of your general behaviour in here. I've told you myself previously but you just can't seem to help yourself.

And where do you get off calling a longterm and respected member of this forum a ********?

Brettus

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I'll jump in - just to stir things up some more.

Cromax - have you tested your speedometer for accuracy ?

Revolver

I did a quick search.

Timbo's reported best was 9.7l/100km achieved on the highway doing the speed limit for fear of plod. Average over 30K plus was up in the 12's.

There are one or two others who claim 10l/100km but these all seem to be highway driving at steady speed and revs.

So Cromax either achieved this feat in similar conditions (i.e. no stop start driving) or he's mistaken. Either way, I still struggle to accept 600kms is achieveable on one tank unless the whole 600kms was steady highway driving, which doesn't seem to match Cromax's reported pattern of use during the course of that magic tankful.

Hmm, I was never much interested in this kind of stuff but such a startling claim does make you think.

The trouble is, it's so easy to come on here and say what you like. When it's questioned, all of a sudden the "claimant" expects scientifically proven evidence to refute the claim.

Cromax's claim obviously triggered my BS detector and whatever he might think, I'm betting I'm not alone there.

If anyone else can corroborate the claim of 600kms between refills, please let us know.

Mind you, when all's said and done, does anyone here really want to achieve that kind of mileage in a car built for fun?

FishoftheWeek

No.

Fear of Mr Plod was the reason for my sub 10l/100km run too. If it were any other state, Mr Plod wouldn't have bothered me so much, but it was Victoria, and I didn't want to be shot.

6th gear at 100km/h cruise was not a lot of fun.... especially when psychotic truck drivers tried to overtake doing what seemed like 102km/h

Rotor Convert

Oh for crying out loud this is ridiculous....


Well done Missy for being the sensible one on this thread and Revolver for sticking to his guns regarding the sane ideals around fuel economy.

Can someone please explain to me why we are even bothering discussing this and why some feel it their right to beat their chests and insult others over fuel. COme of it!

IMHO the Hay plain should be attacked at speed and with gusto......it's boring and dull and only good for going fast.......yes their are police....... aren't there everywhere??? Cameras etc.

I reckon most of us get the same economy....420-430 kms around town and then the light comes on with 10l still in the tank.....so you could squeeze another 70kms maybe?? But really if your car does anything close to that then you are normal....anything amazingly over that and well....you are just plain lucky and dull....we know you don't drive your car properly!

labrat

I was one of the people who pre-ordered an RX-8 in 2003. As such, we were treated to the launch and a test drive with a driving instructor hired by Mazda. During my turn, he said his aim in driving in traffic is to turn every drive into a smooth experience - "mush" was the word he used. I thought it was great advice, and I've tried to do that. It's not "nanny driving" to attempt to anticipate the traffic flow; it's not "nanny driving" not to leap away from the lights like a startled gazelle at every opportunity, and it's not "nanny driving" to keep a decent distance from the car in front. I use the power to take advantage of holes in the traffic (when safe to do so). Not infrequently, I also use the performance of the car to get away from morons in high-powered falcodores who delight in getting up my hammer. It's easy - just accelerate at full pelt into a corner and see them left behind.

Just to reiterate: driving to the traffic, the road conditions and the speed limit is not "nanny driving", it's smart and it's good road manners. It's also driving properly.

WhiteRain

i just love it when i exit a couple of consecutive corners and have to wait a few years for that tailgating falcodore or doofmobile to show up in my rear view mirror.

And before people ask, no I don't have evidence to back that up. It just feels like an eternity

auzoom

how long did ou search for to dig that one up!? In actual fact I had absolutely nothing to prove. No one but me around

Guess I must be the only one who would consider the use of the word hearsay in this context as synonymous with "rumour", "Gossip" and "Bullshit", which remarkably you happen to know exactly where to find the definitition of.

Fair enough. In the light of previous comments I just assumed it was aimed at me

I think revolver answered that

Minute you posted. If you dont like it either dont post or add "Please dont criticise me" at the start and end of all your comments.

Someone who has been reading and posting here AND driving an RX-8 for 2 years ... And rotary engined cars for 14 Years. FWIW I was talking to a guy at ProMaz who has an FC RX7 which has an aftermarket ECU. That FC gets about the same economy as the majority of the RX-8 community, around 350-400k/tank around town and 5-550 on the freeway.