mikeyr

Tim,

No email? If you sent it to work our network ****'s may have nuked it, they usually send you a cheery note as to where you can pick up the body, but not this time.

Send it to home.

PS Anyone that starts sheep jokes around me is going to wish they hadn't.

dracoMJB

Much to my annoyance, because I was still hoping to make it, my overseas trip has been rescheduled for this weekend.

I am still supporting this event, and will put in as part of the track hire to reduce the overall cost per person, but unfortunately as I am now departing on Oct 21st I will be in the USA at the time of the Nationals : o(

Jambos

I haven't received an email yet , can you forward to lpnt@powerup.com.au

Laurence

timbo

Ok, have forwarded mails to people who said they had not received


....don't forget to respond!!

Tim Tam

There's a red rag to a herd of bulls!

While will we wish that? Because you're a baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-d man?

Revolver

ROFL - good one Tim! :D :D :D

Jambos

EZZY you better check with Shannons, I have had two conversations with them the first I was told that if Itook out cover with them I would be covered for track days but no racing.
Rang back to confirm and was told under no circumstances would Shannons cover the car on a track, he checked the quote that the other person had advised me on and it was noted that I was going to take the car on the track, He said he will advise the other person that they do not cover cars on track.
I will still come to the nationals but cannot risk my car without insurance cover.
Plus the wife would kill me if anything happened to the car.

Tim Tam

None of us will have insurance on a racetrack, which is why we're all going to be REALLY careful, right?

timbo

Just to clarify: there will be no racing. The track work will be about driving skils, education and self-improvement. Only a limited number of cars will be on the track at any one time, and well-spaced. Groups will be established, based on skills and experience.

Hymee

iTrader: (1)

And if it is not holding a race meeting (which it isn't) does it mean it is not a "racetrack" at the time, or just a private road?

When is Mt Panorama a racetrack, and when is it a public road.

Cheers,
Hymee.

takahashi

good point Hymee.

Hey Timbo, how did you go with the hotel hunting?

Jambos

I used to live 1 min walk from Mt Panorama and it is a road when the police enforce the 60km speed limit which is 90 % of the year.

Shannons have now rang me back and said they will get clarification for me.
I ensured them that I will not be racing, that we will be in groups according to skill level, (beginners for me) :D we will be well spaced out, and importantly the experienced drivers will not use us beginners as a mobile slalom course.
They said they will get back to me.

timbo

The lions have been revolting! Haven't had a chance to take the morning or afternoon off yet this week to get up there, and won't make it tomorrow....

I'm now planning next Monday.... sick day....

Revolver

Hymee, I think you'll find that if there is no enforceable speed limit (pitlane excepted) and the 'private road' is constructed for the purpose of motor racing, then for the purposes of most policies it will be found to be a racetrack, even if a 'race' is not being held.

In other words - 18jambo74 has it pretty much right. When the cops enforce the limit at Mt Panorama it is a 'road' and when they don't it is a 'racetrack'.

timbo

Fair dinkum....telepathy works! I was gonna ask for 'an opinion', but thought I'd wait. Thanks mate

Revolver

No sweat Timbo.

I could possibly be wrong if the 'non-race meeting' was being run by a recognised body (such as a registered club for instance! ) but I wouldn't want to be running the counter-argument in the case of our little shindig.

Safer to assume that the racetrack is a 'racetrack', no matter what we tell 'em we're doing.

Hymee

iTrader: (1)

How about we have an offical speed limit?

<Hymee clutches at last straw>

I know people have been covered with the "driver training" argument. Unfortunately, I have read a policy that says "not on a racetrack". The fact of the matter is it will not be a race meeting. And it peeves me no end that if I drive stupid on the road, and have a bad stack, the insurance will pay for it. If I behave on the road, and leave it for a controlled environment, I don't get covered.

I have got some quotes for plates. One for "painted" colourbond plates, one for aluminum plates with vinyl background and lettering/logo in various colour combos. So I guess we need to do some more serious planning / managing.

I hope we can find someplace where we can be social and can mix. We will need to have a central messaging point set up so everyone can check the "timetable" and any last minute changes etc.

Cheers,
Hymee.

AMG

How about the open road limits of the Northern territory, and the time NT roads were used for the Aussie cannonball run......race track or open road. I think the definition may be more along the lines of CAMS/FIA sanctioned event/approved track.

takahashi

How about a Yahoo group thing?
http://groups.yahoo.com/

It is easy. I have made one
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rx8oznats/

The group email is rx8oznats@yahoogroups.com
One email is send from a member - all members will receive that email - no need to check the sites!

I have started to send invites to people in the list that Timbo gave me.
All you need to do is to sign in with your Yahoo names and go through the prompt.

MAKE SURE you SELECT your usual email to receive the messages - so the email goes to the usual email address rather than the Yahoo mailbox!

It should not be too hard.

Revolver

Understand your frustration Hymee but you gotta remember insurers are control freaks. They're happy to cover public road damage 'cause they reason that the enforcement of speed limits and other road rules lessens the chance of damage (which of course ignores the fact that public roads present hazards like traffic coming in the opposite direction, etc whereas cars on race tracks are usually going the same way and obeying strict safety rules!! ). And of course, that is the mass market activity which their business is based on - basic rule of insurance: the broader the premium pool for the same class of risk, the greater the likely margin.

Insurers find the prospect of relatively untrained drivers being let loose on a track an alarming prospect that they'd rather not have to deal with - hence the kind of policy you mentioned where the location dominates, rather than the activity. It is just a perceived higher risk with a much smaller premium pool so if you can get cover it is usually prohibitive - a bit like insuring a maxi yacht for the Sydney-Hobart.

Revolver

You've really got to check the policy but I guess some might use CAMS definitions.

As for the NT - that is a special class of public road, which you could not call a race track unless it is being used as such for a motor sport event - like the Cannonball run (which regrettably ended in tragedy). Same argument could apply to Tasmanian roads during the Targa, even though posted speed limits apply when the event is not being run. Ditto Mt Panorama and Melbourne Grand Prix track.

I suppose we could debate this all day. I certainly haven't looked up any specific law on it and to an extent I'm shooting from the hip based upon experience in the field.

The point I was trying to make is that it is safer for all to assume that they are not covered unless they are sure their policy does cover this kind of activity on a racetrack. The guy who's getting Shannons to confirm has the right idea. I'd simply add to make sure you get it confirmed in writing!

Wildcard

I'm not in favour of a speed limit on the track. People just have to have enough common sense to drive within their limits, and be willing to accept the consiquences if they can't. It's no different to driving on the road.

ZOOMBY

Im with u wildcard(well said), one of the main reasons I am coming is to see what my car can really do legally and sensibly. In saying this I will not be out there thrashing the ***** off my car because I have a lot of respect for the car and do not want to cause any damage to it full stop.By no means do I agree with Imposing a speed limit, if you can't control your car you shouldn't have it especially after paying $$$$$.$$. People should now there driving ability(to some extent), at the same time not under estimate the power of their RX8.

Revolver

Guys, no one is suggesting putting a speed limit. We're just debating whether or not we're likely to be covered by insurance for the event.

As you know, I say not but everyone's free to check with their insurers.

I agree that everyone just needs to be sensible and wear the fact that if they break it, they fix it.

takahashi

I received some critism on the Yahoo group idea. It is not meant to be a branched out site.

I was using it to plan a certain feature of the site that we can steal

I can see that you are using all the email outside the Yahoo in the site. I guess
it is wonderful, as you can read the important notice everyday, rather
than having to check into RX8club.com, ausrotary.com or the
rx8club.com.au site. Just my thinking. So it is not a disaster if
the Yahoo Group thing does not work out.

And I think it is used strictly as Nationals matters only. Right? We
can chat on the forum since this site does not increase your post
count

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