mdr

Of course it is in another league it is $100K more money also.
Who wouldn't want one?
It is fantastic car and they have put things in it that frankly make me wonder how much money Nissian are losing on each one sold.

Unless the lotto drops for me or the market shoots up 70% or so, I will not be buying one, can't justify spending that amount of money on a car unless it is purely for investment purposes and I knew it is was going to increase in value at 20% a year.

skc

Looks like I will start saving my pennies now for the new GTR.

In the meantime we are looking at upgrading the family car to possibly a X5...still researching our options.

skc

erx8s

X5 ...............Nah go for the new X6


Cheers
Michael

thisllub

If it is like other Nissans the warranty claims won't be cheap.
Either they are making money or is is a loss leading brand - building exercise.

I pick money maker.
Porsches should be so cheap.

mdr

I would agree until you look at the electronics in that car.
Some of the stuff they are doing with it is light years ahead of any other car on the market.

enforcer

...are you guys serious? The designers have dragged the R35s shape out of an Executives arsehole. Besides, how do you justify spending an extra 100K on a car like that, when you can't use the HP (legally) 99% of the time anyhow?

erx8s

Trevor the GTR 35 would make a great covert unmarked police car , Everyone would try and drag you at the lights

However youd have to make sure your boys did not leave the key in the car like those other guys who had their police car stolen

enforcer

What the bad guys don't know is that its not speed, but it comes down to simple driving ability with the added bonus of lights and sirens. Whilst there may be many cars which are faster than police cars, it doesnt mean you can outrun them.

Police are highly trained driving professionals and have back up available - everywhere. Their skills are over and above advanced drivers and combined with technology it dosen't pay to try to outrun them at the lights.

And it dosen't pay to try to steal one... http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.c...article/352292

enforcer

..and the real answer to your question Michael is no. The government dosen't give us enough money to buy big boys toys!

thisllub

No point running if it is your car.

They also don't have to pay for the damage to their cars.
I remember a story I heard my father tell one of his police colleagues when I was a child about how he terminated the pursuit of a couple of armed robbery suspects. They should never have pointed the sawn-off shotgun at him.
I don't think either car would have been worth much as salvage value.

enforcer

I didn't realise your Dad was a copper thisllub, I'm sure he'd have a few more beauties like that up his sleeve.

Why is it Michael whenever you and I get involved in a thread it coms back to the boys in blue?

Back on topic...no-one will convince me the GT dosen't look neater or have the same uniqueness factor than our RX8....I concur its got a lot of grunt, but like some people say...size dosen't matter....

thisllub

One of his friends was a great story teller.
The best story I remember was about an allegedly rabid dog that was terrorising an old lady.

This senior constable is a bit of an animal lover and decides to ignore the pleas to shoot the dog and convinces the dog to get in the back of the wagon.
He takes the dog to a quiet bit of bush behind the local tip and opens the door but the dog refuses to go.
The rest is obvious.
In an attempt to get the dog out the door blows shut leaving him locked up in the back with a large pissed off dog.
It took the local station quite a while to find them. Back in the 1960s there were no GPS systems and tracking devices like there are now.

rotarenvy

yeah right... thats why the fools think they can break the law and endanger the public. police are some of the worst drivers on the road. I've lost count of the number of times I have seen police vehicles break the law for no reason other than they are **** drivers that think they have the right to do whatever they want.

enforcer

This thread is going downhill and is going way off topic...but to defend what your saying here goes. You give the police a broad based spray, but you don't drill down to time, date and place and the statement isn't backed up with facts. I bet you London to a brick the instances you are talking about were witnessed when they were attending to an urgent job of some sorts.

Now take the example of someone flogging the crap out of you and you needed help - quickly. You wouldn't expect the police to be driving at a leisurely speed to get to you would you?

One step further, someone was breaking into your house while you are at home. It's not burglary, it's called a home invasion. God forbid they have a weapon. You had better make sure you have your wits about you, and have a solid course of action because I assume you will call the police for help? The question remains.... when do you expect them to be there?

I'm not saying these were the exact examples of what you are talking about, but they provide a bit of an insight into what police officers face....every single day.

enforcer

Phew...back on topic, I saw that electronics panel too Monte and whilst I was initially impressed to start off with, I can't help thinking its engineered to impress techno heads, or friends and family sitting in it for the first time.

To get a good appreciation I would like to see it in the flesh. I suspect the thrill of seeing all of those fancy lights and gauges would wear off (or become faulty) in time....

enforcer

BTW the link Michael posted up has been removed by BBC because it 'breached copyright laws'.

Heres another to get in....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzbPiW6VY_k

rotarenvy

for any instance where police need to speed I would expect them to attend to the emergency with due care.

I won't drag the thread down any further but I can give examples if necessary that indicates that police aren't "trained driving professionals" and their skills aren't that great either.

Revolver

This is the most accurate thing anybody's said in this thread so far.

Porsche only get what they charge for their cars because people are prepared to pay it. It is a very profitable car company....

Revolver

You've been drinking too much XXXX Trev and have completely missed the point of this car.

Nothing else comes close for the price. In comparative terms it's a bargain.

And design is always subjective. I like it.

enforcer

I also defy anyone to trawl through this forum and show me if on any given day someone dosen't go off track, or emblishes on the truth.

enforcer

Design is a personal thing, and you're very right - its subjective. Diversity is a good thing for the world. The early reviews look good, but I stand my point of view on the reliability of electronic gauges, and the R35 reeks of them everywhere. Call me an old fashioned bastard, but it lights up like the inside of a space shuttle.

I understand how it basically works....light goes down a fibre optic cable detects variances with a sensor, which then measures an air gap etc. However, I think the super high temperature/high pressure environments generated by the R35 could limit the life of every electronic component in the car.

Its a well known fact the fibre optic technology used in cars can't handle the high temperature, vibrations, and pressure conditions very well, and there is a high likelihood of them failing after a couple of years.

I have no doubt that as technology improves, so will the reliability factor...but for now I still reserve my judgement.

...and no sir, I won't give up my beer.

mdr

Trev electronics are very mature in cars and very reliable over all.
Consider that Jet aircraft that fly around the world on a daily basis are doing it all by wire or electronics.

That car has some of the most sophisticated electronics in the world in it. And lets face it if there is anything the Japanese are really good at it is electronics.
The sensors in that car measure the wheels, g forces etc. and automatically adjust to the driving condition at a millionth of a second.

That car is going to be a killer on track, I can almost understand how Clarkson did his neck in going around the track as the electronics can keep it on the track under conditions that the average person cannot stand the g forces of.

Reminds me back when cart was still a racing org and they decided to put on a race at Texas Motor speedway which was a purpose built NASCAR oval track with huge 24 degree banked curves. They were going so fast and the electronics in the cars were sticking them so well the drivers were blacking out in the corners at over 250 mph during practice from too many g forces. They had to call the race and cancel racing those cars at that track.

http://www.texasmotorspeedway.com/TrackFacts.aspx

thisllub

The public perception of the police is that they are there when you don't want them and not when you do.

The police can't be blamed for this but can be blamed for how they handle this,
I have had two tickets in 20 years. One speed camera in Victoria in 1996 when I didn't realise the speed limit was 60 and one for using a mobile phone whilst driving earlier this year (something I don't approve of but had a good if not legal reason for doing in this circumstance).
On the other side of the ledger-
Last year we hosted an "after party" for my daughter's year 12.
We live on 120 acres and have only one reasonable way in and out of the property, unless you don't mind swimming fully clothed through creeks.
We informed the police of the party early in the week. Apparently some intending gatecrashers learned of the party because it was written on a whiteboard at the police station in full view of the public.
Despite our best efforts 1 gatecrasher got in.
Said gatecrasher, probably under the combined influence of amphetamines and alcohol started damaging property and decided to fight me when I attempted to kick him out.
Somehow at the last minute he calmed down and left only to return and "donut" around a fireplace with 20 or so kids nearby.
I called the police and 2 hours later received a return call to tell me it was the end of their shift and they couldn't come.
That night we had more than 200 kids at our house. Nowhere in the command area could such a potentially risky event have occured that night.
I can't reasonably imagine a situation where a greater community need for policing existed yet said request was denied.
I can imagine that these situations frustrate police officers as much as the public.
We should expect, be prepared to pay for, and get more from our police.

Schimmle

Now all we need to do is win the lottery, dump my girlfriend who actually happens to be bitching at me right now....someone make her stop...and then get a new one and buy this car. Game, Set, Match!...OMG...She's still going!

rotarenvy

the GTR is a engineering marvel but this one doesn't make me dream of owning one. I like the r34 shape even though it isn't very sporty. maybe the r35 is to clinical?