i dont' know if someone asked this question...
i need a help..
i am using the INT-X, and i have a lot of CELs...what happen is that i borrowed my friend COBB, and i download it to my car.
in COBB, we are using the STOCK RX8 map from COBB, no modification at all, and from the PARAMETERS, we "UNCHECKED" all the codes, and we reflash my car with the new map.
so, i went to inspection, my mechanic told me that nothing is cleared yet...there is not light at all, but the ECU is not cleared at all...can anybody help me with this?
how cobb work? does it just turn teh light off? not the sensor? i am confused because there is no engine light at all...
anybody can help?

And you drove the drive cycles right? Should flag all your readiness monitors that the inspection computer will check.

yeah - the light will come on after a few cycles .

And you drove the drive cycles right? Should flag all your readiness monitors that the inspection computer will check.

yeah - the light will come on after a few cycles .


i unchecked all codes that gave me lights, but when the inspection guy was ready, he checked it first before connected to the machine, and he said that it's not even ready at all..i have 14 CELs and they were unckecked....i have driven it for more than 500 miles, almost 1k miles....still not ready.....i wonder what i did wrong..
steven

sorry I thought you loaded the program just to delete the cel then unloaded it - ignore my post .

Where did all my responses to this go?

/\ the old 'two thread' trick !

Damnit! Foiled again!

^You just got rick rolled........


Steve you made the map in access tuner race

damn, i got it too.... i opened a bunch of threads, assumed i opened the same one twice and thought shit was getting deleted rofl

Where did all my responses to this go?

:wiggle::lol::lol:
^You just got rick rolled........


Steve you made the map in access tuner race

Al did it for me, and when i openned it, i look at it from ACCES tuner too....as MM said that if i took one of the sensor, it might not be able to clear it at all, LOL,,,,i have to look at it deeper....i hope MM can help me out here

Hey Steve..
Technically, yes, you did turn the light off. The reason why its off is because the monitor has been disabled....which determines whether the CEL illuminates. by unchecking them through the Cobb software, it tells the ECU to stop testing, or never complete its cycle...which is why you will not pass NYS/NJ inspection due to the need to have set (completed) monitors and no CEL.
I too have the CEL issue with the interceptor. Scott/Mazsport owns the rights to it, so Microtech will not release any info as to why this occurs automatically and how to fix it. - mainly the Fuel System Rich Code..
-SSA

by unchecking them through the Cobb software, it tells the ECU to stop testing, or never complete its cycle...which is why you will not pass NYS/NJ inspection due to the need to have set (completed) monitors and no CEL.

No, that isn't how it works.
When you un-check a MIL PID, it sets that function's readiness permanently at "ready".
The lack of readiness for emissions is usually from a missing or inoperative sensor for which the CEL has been turned off.
For instance, if you turn off the rear O2S MIL, it will set the flag to "ready", regardless of what values the PCM wants to see.
If you remove the sensor completely, the PCM will never check the readiness flag because it sees the sensor isn't reporting at all.

No, that isn't how it works.
When you un-check a MIL PID, it sets that function's readiness permanently at "ready".
The lack of readiness for emissions is usually from a missing or inoperative sensor for which the CEL has been turned off.
For instance, if you turn off the rear O2S MIL, it will set the flag to "ready", regardless of what values the PCM wants to see..

Wrong. The computer monitors the sensor. not the other way aound. if you had an inoperative sensor, the monitor would still complete and CEL illuminates



If you remove the sensor completely, the PCM will never check the readiness flag because it sees the sensor isn't reporting at all.

Wrong. If you remove the sensor. Mil lamp illuminates usually for circuit high. The computer MONITORS a fault and triggers the lamp. If your statement were true, then your saying all i would need to do is simply disconnect my 02's and not worry about codes (because sensor would not be reporting).

Try it.

Hey Steve..

I too have the CEL issue with the interceptor. Scott/Mazsport owns the rights to it, so Microtech will not release any info as to why this occurs automatically and how to fix it. - mainly the Fuel System Rich Code..
-SSA

It throws a CEL.....because it IS too rich...no big secret...the INTx won't run the car in parameters the stock PCM thinks is "normal"

There is no big Microtech conspiracy here ;)

Ok so is it possible to pass using the Cobb and or inter-x/Cobb combo? MM uses it most of the time so tell use can we use this idea maybe even lean out the fuel just for inspections pass then flash back to normal?

Ok so is it possible to pass using the Cobb and or inter-x/Cobb combo?

Yep.

So if I'm tuned with the inter-x on a turbo kit NO CAT and I use the COBB With your (MM) tune I could pass inspection? If so what would we need to buy from whom and how much?

It throws a CEL.....because it IS too rich...no big secret...the INTx won't run the car in parameters the stock PCM thinks is "normal"

There is no big Microtech conspiracy here ;)

So if I'm tuned with the inter-x on a turbo kit NO CAT and I use the COBB With your (MM) tune I could pass inspection? If so what would we need to buy from whom and how much?

i know about running rich, but how can we pass emmission with that? by using COBB, i think i can pass it, but the thing is i deleted APV sensor, it's located on lower intake. i got 8 CEL just from this sensor deletion, do you think i should put it back on? if i put it back on, my turbo will not fit :dunno::(

MM, i emailed you to find out about something...can i pass emmission without putting the APV sensor back to the car?

i hope someone can solve this,,..
steven

Ok so where are we with this? MM said yes but didn't answer directly? MM can you answer my above post?

Ok so where are we with this? MM said yes but didn't answer directly? MM can you answer my above post?

yeah, i am looking forward to this one too...can you imagine that if it works, it' sbetter for him too and COBB ? because COBB will be compatible to everything, for tunning, passing emmision, etc.
it's a matter of expanding the business...

i need an answer for this....

It all Sounds great. Too bad its untrue. Believe me, I wish it will and you all can hate me for being wrong. But fact is, you will not be able to pass NYS inspection with intercepetor or with Cobb delete function. Continuous monitors need to show ready status and MIL request OFF. MM im sorry, but your information is inaccurate and now spreading to others a sense of false hope. If you knew more about OBDII you will see this. SSSPEEDFREAK, you can vouch for me on my knowledge. I wouldnt post if i wasnt so sure about this. If it does work, then its for some other reason, but the way its been explained, im 100% confident its NOT going to work. Im not bashing, hating, arguing, deformating, or have anything against any one of you. I just would like to see more genuine information rather than assumptions on this forum. If it will work, then prove it. So far, nobody has! Personal experience on my own vehicle and many of our dealership service cars have shown this. I have tried numerous tricks. as there are a few that WILL work. they have nothing to do with any kind of delete program or fouling method.
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SSA

It all Sounds great. Too bad its untrue. Believe me, I wish it will and you all can hate me for being wrong. But fact is, you will not be able to pass NYS inspection with intercepetor or with Cobb delete function. Continuous monitors need to show ready status and MIL request OFF. MM im sorry, but your information is inaccurate and now spreading to others a sense of false hope. If you knew more about OBDII you will see this. SSSPEEDFREAK, you can vouch for me on my knowledge. I wouldnt post if i wasnt so sure about this. If it does work, then its for some other reason, but the way its been explained, im 100% confident its NOT going to work. Im not bashing, hating, arguing, deformating, or have anything against any one of you. I just would like to see more genuine information rather than assumptions on this forum. If it will work, then prove it. So far, nobody has! Personal experience on my own vehicle and many of our dealership service cars have shown this. I have tried numerous tricks. as there are a few that WILL work. they have nothing to do with any kind of delete program or fouling method.
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SSA

o well, my hope is gone now...:(....so i have to go back to stock?
how did you do yours? i heard that you have REW engine in your car right? are you the one or someone else?
steven
steven

Whats going on here?
Last year I passed NYS inspection, I made my own AP map disabling a few CEL's including the catalyst efficiency one. I used a separate OBD2 scan tool that confirmed my readiness monitors before I took it in.
I was also the one to tell halimsteven he can do it and made his map for him.
I never actually saw my car being tested, but they never said anything and I got my sticker. I have another RX8 now, also with the AP disabling those CEL's, and my inspection is up next month. Can reconfirm then..

SSA sure knows his way around an inter-x! Also he does have access to the inspection equipment. Both him and I had this very same conversation siting in his 340hp Rx8 (nice ride you gave me) and he also mentioned Dave from KDR is also racking his brain over it.

So that's why when MM says so simply "Yep" I asked how, who, how much?

It all Sounds great. Too bad its untrue. Believe me, I wish it will and you all can hate me for being wrong.


Now, I am not in NY so maybe they have more sophisticated scanners. But. Some of our locals have actually passed emissions, turbocharged, with the AP masking the codes.

So that's why when MM says so simply "Yep" I asked how, who, how much?

www.mazdamaniac.com

My cars pass emissions all the time in many States* in all different states of tune.
All the PCM needs to know is that the sensor is physically present. The readiness flag will be set in a couple of drive cycles and the MIL will be off.

SSA - I don't know you or your "credentials", nor do I care. I just know what works and why.



*States where AP-equipped have passed emissions tests while turbo'ed include: Maryland, Pennsylvania, California, Arizona, Ohio, New York, Maine, New Mexico, Washington and Virgina. There may be more, but those are CONFIRMED.

Now, I am not in NY so maybe they have more sophisticated scanners. But. Some of our locals have actually passed emissions, turbocharged, with the AP masking the codes.



www.mazdamaniac.com

i think NY and NJ are preety strict toward emissions. i think i have to look into it myself deeper....people who have experience, please share it
steven

The "standards" are all the same for States that only require an OBD test.

Im going to try and get my car inspected tomorrow i have been driving around with my DTC cleared through cobb (advanced parameters in ATR). I have no CEL and when i get home im going to check my OBDII port with my scanner tool to see if my monitors are showing ready. If the monitors show ready im pretty sure I will pass. Im turbocharged as well.

SSA you mentioned there are a few tricks that do work......what are they share them with us.

My cars pass emissions all the time in many States* in all different states of tune.
All the PCM needs to know is that the sensor is physically present. The readiness flag will be set in a couple of drive cycles and the MIL will be off.

SSA - I don't know you or your "credentials", nor do I care. I just know what works and why.



*States where AP-equipped have passed emissions tests while turbo'ed include: Maryland, Pennsylvania, California, Arizona, Ohio, New York, Maine, New Mexico, Washington and Virgina. There may be more, but those are CONFIRMED.

So it is clear that I have to put the apv sensor back into my car,o boy ..

^^ Possibly. The APV isn't part of the OBD readiness test, so it might not care. Why would you take out the APV sensor/motor on a street car?

^^ Possibly. The APV isn't part of the OBD readiness test, so it might not care. Why would you take out the APV sensor/motor on a street car?

first thing first, thank you for the reply and the advice

that's a good question. what happen is that my turbo is Mazsport, and in order for the turbo to be fit in, i have to take it off because it's on the way. when we take it out, we left it open....:(
APV is not part of OBD? that gives me code of P2004, P2009 and other things...

is it a good thing? i have been running like that for more than 20k miles with the turbo...
i will not know until tomorrow if the system is ready or not.
i have driven it for more than 1k miles....the strange thing is O2 sensor is ready because i have catless...if i just have that, i will pass the emission, but the other codes are my problem....
do you have an opinion MM?

The part will generate a code, but it is not a readiness flag by itself.

Why don't you just borrow an AP from someone and try it? Worst case scenario, you just apply for a one-year exemption.
In fact, you could just show the receipt for buying an AP as your "repair cost"!

The part will generate a code, but it is not a readiness flag by itself.

Why don't you just borrow an AP from someone and try it? Worst case scenario, you just apply for a one-year exemption.
In fact, you could just show the receipt for buying an AP as your "repair cost"!

Jeff you're making this WAAY to difficult.

Solution: Sell all of your things, take out the biggest loan possible, divorce your wife, sell your children, pack what little you have in your ocho de coche and move to mexico. They have little to no emission restrictions, cosmetic and pharmaceuticals are cheap.

Yo, literalmente, sobre la mierda mis pantalones esta mañana antes de crear el caos en el inodoro.

The part will generate a code, but it is not a readiness flag by itself.


i don't really get this part.....:scratchhe i still have a problem to understand about the radiness and the flag things.....i am trying to learn these all..sorry..:wallbash:


Why don't you just borrow an AP from someone and try it? Worst case scenario, you just apply for a one-year exemption.
cost"!

this is what i have been doing. i borrowed my friend's AP. now i have INT-X with AP together. i have been boosting it ,:yelrotflm....what my friend did was he downloaded the RX8 stock map, and in advance parameters, we unchecked the codes that show up. so basically, the cobb is not tuned at all, just using the stock map. then, i reflash it with the updated MAP.
the lights are off, but i don't know if it's ready or not. i will need to buy the OBD2 reader

buying [/I]an AP as your "repair cost"!

i will need to do this...LOL....or, i will need to change my whole set up of turbo..:tear:

MM, can you help me out on this, can you try to solve it? i will pay if you require me to do so....you can email me the cost, and i will pay for it. you just need to create a map for me which will make me pass the emission....:sad:

at least, this thread will help people who need to pass emission.
steven

In case my post was missed.

I PASSED New York State emissions with the AP masking my CELs.

and steven, ken has a obd2 tool that will show the readiness monitors.. no need to buy one.

In case my post was missed.

I PASSED New York State emissions with the AP masking my CELs.

We ignore you because RX8 club loves to argue even when something is proven.

I know that, which is why I reposted.

Steve you can have them check your readiness monitors at any autozone also they have the same tool its an obdII scanner. Al passed your situation is a little different because of the sensor we shall see.

Steve you can have them check your readiness monitors at any autozone also they have the same tool its an obdII scanner. Al passed your situation is a little different because of the sensor we shall see.

I was responding to the earlier claims that in NY you can't pass emissions inspection with the DTC disabled by the AP.

I told steven the same thing about the sensor, it's possible the sensor not being there sets off other scenarios were the readiness monitor won't be set. But we took care of ALL CEL's.
He also has all the readiness monitors that were not set when he went to get the inspection done, everything BUT the O2 Sensor flag were "Not Ready".

Oh and I also told him it might be the way the Interceptor-X is interfaced with the stock ECU that doesn't let some readiness monitors be set. Ken, I bet you can pass inspection easily since you're using the AP.

Ok can we all get together some time and try this with someones AP? I don't care if I need to buy one or watever but I'd love to try it. When we do it will the lights ever come back on? I also have the DTC sighn disabled on all the time? It came on after a dyno section after the turbo was put on and never went away? I haven't driven more then 20miles since but how do I fix this? I don't think with that on I would pass either?

MM, so are the prices for the COBB any better? If we have the inter-x what more could the COBB offer that the inter-x doesn't?

^ Ohhhh see you know more then me about the situation.I was just saying if he could get to an autozone where they have one of those scanners he could check the readiness state i live kinda far away from him. I think i worded my statement funny i was trying to say i know you can pass with the DTC's disabled through AP because you did it lol.

If we have the inter-x what more could the COBB offer that the inter-x doesn't?


^thats a lengthy discussion lol.

Ok can we all get together some time and try this with someones AP? I don't care if I need to buy one or watever but I'd love to try it. When we do it will the lights ever come back on? I also have the DTC sighn disabled on all the time? It came on after a dyno section after the turbo was put on and never went away? I haven't driven more then 20miles since but how do I fix this? I don't think with that on I would pass either?

MM, so are the prices for the COBB any better? If we have the inter-x what more could the COBB offer that the inter-x doesn't?

working on this, and i will post it tomorrow...as now, i am trying to get the scanning tool to find out if my things is ready
steven

MM, so are the prices for the COBB any better?

The AP by itself is $495. With my tuning it $594.

If we have the inter-x what more could the COBB offer that the inter-x doesn't?

Seriously?

Just thought I should confirm this once again.

I run no cat.
I made my own map in Accesstuner that disables the catalyst efficient CEL.
I passed NYS inspection a few days ago.
In fact, the only reason I nearly failed was because of my window tinting, but in the end they looked over it.

you are referring to P0420 right?