of course....

You may end with some black smoke; keep an eye on it.
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yeah, i was gonna say: +25% seems a bit, well, excessive.

looking forward to seeing some other's published results ...

my load based omp map.

http://implux.net/~alz0rz/images/al20-load-omp.jpg

also, i had to extend the map to the what the 05 tables require..

http://implux.net/~alz0rz/images/al20-afr12.jpg

all look well?

You'll have to see; you may smoke at idle.....I run 3's down low and bump up the throttle based map personally; but you'll have to monitor your oil consumption to decide.

You'll have to see; you may smoke at idle.....I run 3's down low and bump up the throttle based map personally; but you'll have to monitor your oil consumption to decide.

Kane, what does your throttle base omp map look like?

because even the stock map has it pegged at step 23 at idle...

I don't have it on this laptop since I'm traveling - but mine and Jcabs are pretty close; and I burn almost exactly a quart a month.

I also premix to be safe.

I don't have it on this laptop since I'm traveling - but mine and Jcabs are pretty close; and I burn almost exactly a quart a month.

I also premix to be safe.

Ah, yep more or less where I'm at.
I see you also bump it up more dramatically after 5,500 RPM.
I also premix ~6oz Idemitsu.

So does it make sense that the OMP is at Step 23 at idle?

Is the Bank 2 injector size in the Accesstuner the Secondary injectors?

Do I need to set these injector latency for the injectors after inputing the size? or is that onl for aftermarket injectors?

Is the Bank 2 injector size in the Accesstuner the Secondary injectors?

YES


Do I need to set these injector latency for the injectors after inputing the size? or is that onl for aftermarket injectors?

You should - but if you don't know it then you may want to leave it alone unless you get some lean spots when the injectors come on - keep in mind the latency for the secondaries and the P2's is the same table; so if you are running different injectors you are going ot have to find a happy medium.

I want to ask the FI guys What do your Calc load limiter maps look like?
Are you all just setting maximum values in the upper rpm regions?

Also when adjusting the calculated load under the fuel maps and such are you all also adjusting (rasing) the calculated load scale?

for ex instead of starting from .13, are you all setting it from .15 and adjusting in increments?

Quick question for this thread - I'm using the Cobb stage 1 map, and it is a little lean under most conditions (14-15), and I don't mind it for now.

However, when I let off the throttle at higher speeds, the AFR zooms to 21.8 (max). Is that normal? I assume it's normal since I'm not pushing any gas, but I'd like to check with you guys first.

I want to ask the FI guys What do your Calc load limiter maps look like?
Are you all just setting maximum values in the upper rpm regions?

Also when adjusting the calculated load under the fuel maps and such are you all also adjusting (rasing) the calculated load scale?

for ex instead of starting from .13, are you all setting it from .15 and adjusting in increments?

this makes no sense to me. why would you change those? if anything, you'd be making the ecu take longer to start reading your values. .13 is 13percent load, .15 is 15 percent load. etc.

rt shouldn't even let you change those, really.

Quick question for this thread - I'm using the Cobb stage 1 map, and it is a little lean under most conditions (14-15), and I don't mind it for now.

However, when I let off the throttle at higher speeds, the AFR zooms to 21.8 (max). Is that normal? I assume it's normal since I'm not pushing any gas, but I'd like to check with you guys first.

that's fine. no fuel means all you have is air. afr is air to fuel ratio.

14 -15 on the stage 1 seems a bit too lean though. post your logs.

I want to ask the FI guys What do your Calc load limiter maps look like?
Are you all just setting maximum values in the upper rpm regions?

Also when adjusting the calculated load under the fuel maps and such are you all also adjusting (rasing) the calculated load scale?

for ex instead of starting from .13, are you all setting it from .15 and adjusting in increments?

Calc load limit is either (scaled if you wanna do the math) or set 'em all to 2

Load in the fuel and timing maps - need to scale from 0 to 200% For me it is 10-20-30-40-50-60-70....190-200

Alright so using some of Chases fueling and some of my own edits Im running mid 12's at WOT. LTFT at 7 and STFT deviating from -1-1.

What I would like to work on next are the cruising afr's. I notice when I keep the car above 4400 rpm's for a while and loops change it goes rich into the low 13,s and high 12's... what do I edit to get that leaner for cruising situations?

that's fine. no fuel means all you have is air. afr is air to fuel ratio.

14 -15 on the stage 1 seems a bit too lean though. post your logs.

Here are my logs.

log1 - The first of my logs, it's basically at idle
log6 - A bit at idle, then a bit under drive. I didn't push the car past 6k on this one I believe
log10 - I did this one today, with the intention of reaching 8k rpm.

If there's a certain way I should have done the logs, please let me know. Also, if you need to see my fuel maps, I can SS or copy them for you. It is the Cobb stage 1 map though.

those are useless.

Roger, is there a specific procedure I am supposed to do for logs?

I was going to do the MAF scaling based on Kane's thread.

well, for this purpose, just floor it.

Alright so using some of Chases fueling and some of my own edits Im running mid 12's at WOT. LTFT at 7 and STFT deviating from -1-1.

What I would like to work on next are the cruising afr's. I notice when I keep the car above 4400 rpm's for a while and loops change it goes rich into the low 13,s and high 12's... what do I edit to get that leaner for cruising situations?

my solution here has been to keep the rpms below 4200 when cruising. :wiggle:

but that does limit your top cruising speed.

well, for this purpose, just floor it.

Will do. I thought I just had to reach the max RPM i could reach, which is around 8100, 8200. Fortunately, the AFR drops to around 12 at that rpm.

I'm seeing the patterns between the maps and the resultant values. Is 14-15 afr that bad for idle to low load in a NA engine? I plan to get tuning from MM in spring, but I'm trying to learn as much as I can in the mean time.

look at the map, it's set for 14.7 for those light loads.

Yep, and I'm pretty much at 14.7 most of the time, sometimes at 15. That's why I was confused when you were saying it's too lean.

figured you were talking about wot.

Oh no, I was just throwing it out there that I was at 14-15 most of the time under normal conditions. Sorry!

or set 'em all to 2

Do you understand what you are telling them to do by this?
Very bad idea.

Load in the fuel and timing maps - need to scale from 0 to 200% For me it is 10-20-30-40-50-60-70....190-200

BTW - Fuel and timing can go up to 400%.

This thread is huge and unwieldy, very difficult to search. Can we close it and have people start their own threads for separate issues?

This thread is huge and unwieldy, very difficult to search. Can we close it and have people start their own threads for separate issues?

lol

Its only 6 pages! Unwieldy?
Try mucking your way through a 46+ page thread (http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=162263) that has significantly more information in it!

It's 12 pages

and that one should be locked too. Why have a tuning subforum when almost everything is going to be buried in one or two threads? It defeats the purpose

It's 12 pages

Huh?

I've found that a lot of the best and most informative threads on this forum are basically roving conversations on a subject that wind out to 50 pages. Really, the only difference between 50 1 page threads and 1 50 page thread is that you have to search the forum to find the 50 threads and you search the thread to find the info within the 50 pages. Also the information tends to be more indepth and offer more coverage than knee jerk responses to questions. Granted, thread topics have a tendency to meander. Therefore you just have to read everything.

It's 12 pages if you use the default posts per page.

I think most use the 50 posts per page setting??

this makes no sense to me. why would you change those? if anything, you'd be making the ecu take longer to start reading your values. .13 is 13percent load, .15 is 15 percent load. etc.

rt shouldn't even let you change those, really.


Kane thanks for the reply.

Myriad, I need to change those values because my load scale is larger now, I'm running FI.

Two approaches:

1) Set the lowest possible load and the highest possible load and interpolate the scale.
2) Take the top 4 load values and linearly scale those values out to your top load.

#2 is what I do.

This thread is huge and unwieldy, very difficult to search. Can we close it and have people start their own threads for separate issues?

:yelrotflm

true.

this thread is for one thing only: free maps. but there's only one map. and that's pretty sad if you ask me. go on nearly any other car forum where the members do any sort of tuning whatever, and you'l find map after map after map and reviews.

there aren't even any real solid reviews from members of the mazdamaniac maps. i'm sure they're all awesome. but i'd still like to see some thoughtful reviews from people who actually use them. maybe we could see some logs. :dunno: all we get is a lot of this: :bowdown:, some of this: :crying:, and a fair amount of this: :anger:

in any case, i know a lot of people are scared to try doing tuning alone. and i sympathize. but there's enough info here on this forum to keep you from fucking your car up too bad. And if you're real nervous about something you want try, post your concern and members will, if nothing else, brainstorm with you. SO you're not really alone. Hell, use this thread to post concerns. Some experienced tuners are following. Obviously MM is following it. If no one else can help, despite his being a bit rough around the edges, he;l tell you if you're going to blow something up.
i want to see data. :ugh2:

my solution here has been to keep the rpms below 4200 when cruising.

Or, you could properly scale your 40 - 70 g/sec MAF range.


Load in the fuel and timing maps - need to scale from 0 to 200% For me it is 10-20-30-40-50-60-70....190-200

This is how I do my fuel maps:

not a bad idea.

Hmm - interesting; I am guessing your boost transition areas don't have any issues?

I map try that on the new motor and see how it responds.

Chase, that area where it bogs rich; Jeff is right - find it, log it and run it through Baseline - J.Cab had a similar issue and we got it resolved.

Would it be possible for someone to please post their Turbo Timing maps up in excel or csv format!!

Need it for comparison & Adjustments to mine

all very helpful info. i have actually used and am running some of the settings you have posted here with some minor adjustments. question. im looking for a kind of "band aid fix" for my CEL. i have a dual res midpipe that has the O2 bung thats supposed to trick the computer, ya right. nonetheless its actually saying that its running too lean, suprisingly enough.i have messed with the AFR a little bit wich took care of the too lean condition but now it has kicked a too slow response from the secondary O2. has anybody come up with some settings that can eliminate the CEL on a catless setup? yes i know the system is designed to run with a cat and i can deal with the light if i have to i was just hoping for some input on the matter cuz i know im not the only 1 with this problem.

Just go to "Advanced Settings" and turn off the rear O2 sensor PIDs.

im more of a tinkerer, definately not a tuner! i will pay someone for professional tuning but i figured i would wait, hopefully i will be going boost when uncle sam gives me back some money. so for now im really just trying to get a better understanding of whats going on and how the settings apply to real world driving. whats nice with the access port is if it doesnt work the way you want you can always just switch the map back. all this info is helpful and very interesting to me. thanx

You are a freakin genius problem solved

Bump, if we are running ATR can we really share the maps, I thought they were locked to the S/N of the Cobb? I'll check tonight to see if I can upload some and if any of you guys can load them. At your own risk of course :lol:

I sure they are not locked to a single device .. or how would you be able to download them from the Website ... anyways let's try it ....
My car is out of commission right now ... but I'll upload a tune with

- Closed loop rpm exit - lowered

MM now on the other hand ... his tunz are locked.

I'm gonna give it a shot myself..

168628

Right ..... you need to delete the .zip extension on the file name.

Lowered Closed Loop Exit to 4000 rpm from 6000 rpm
Increase RPM Rev Limit to 10000 rpm from 9000 rpm

WCS, hows the turbo build going? sorry for thread jack..

WCS, hows the turbo build going? sorry for thread jack..

It's going, slow and steady, I can only work on the car during the weekend.
I've just about got everything disassembled.

One of the exhaust manifold bolts was either cross threaded at the factor or I ruined it when removing it .... anyways I had to get a friend (he's a machinist) to re-tap the threads in the housing.
This got completed today ... a real load off my back.

Still have to install the new injectors, pressure test the radiator, fit the inter cooler and widen the section where the oem cold air intake was located.

I'm trying to be finished by the end of March.

I've had another forum member Bumblebeerx8 helping me out a LOT (thanx dude!), Kane as well has been providing much guidance, Steve the owner of Overdrive a local performance shop has helped plenty.

The project has been a real pleasure ... I'm learning tons and I've met some awesome people ... everyone wanting to help me anyway they can.

Okay I'll try it, what base map did you start with?

So..... are we wanting PTM files, or the map data? I am still confused.

Okay I'll try it, what base map did you start with?

RX8 2005 MT - Stock Style Mode MTv100.ptm
Found here (http://www.accessecu.com/accessport/mazda/RX-8Maps.html)

So..... are we wanting PTM files, or the map data? I am still confused.

Now I'm confused that you are confused.

I thought 9krpmrx8 just wanted to see if maps created/saved from one version of ATR and used on that Cobb AP device which it seems to be married too can be uploaded and used on another Cobb AP.

:dunno:

Yes, they can, or at least they 100% could at one point in time. I know Cobb made some software revisions that involved something with the serial numbers, so don't quote me.

RX8 2005 MT - Stock Style Mode MTv100.ptm
Found here (http://www.accessecu.com/accessport/mazda/RX-8Maps.html)



Now I'm confused that you are confused.

I thought 9krpmrx8 just wanted to see if maps created/saved from one version of ATR and used on that Cobb AP device which it seems to be married too can be uploaded and used on another Cobb AP.

:dunno:

Same year, and FED VS CALI can, otherwise they cannot.

Yes, they can, or at least they 100% could at one point in time. I know Cobb made some software revisions that involved something with the serial numbers, so don't quote me.


This was my thought, I have not tried it yet but i thought that they were locked to the S/N. I do know that the ATR software is licked by S/N so you cannot share the software really and create tunes.

I don't even think the ATR Beta is locked by S/N.. I think they just do that to verify downloads. I've created tunes for different APs through my own copy of ATR Beta*.

*For RX8's I own :sweatdrop

I don't even think the ATR Beta is locked by S/N.. I think they just do that to verify downloads. I've created tunes for different APs through my own copy of ATR Beta*.

*For RX8's I own :sweatdrop


Well someone sent me a version of ATR (I was too lazy to wait for Cobb) and when I created a tune with it and loaded it on my AP, it said it was locked to a S/N that did not match my AP. So I contacted Travis and by getting a new download link from Cobb and install it, I was able to create tunes and load them with my AP. But, I don't think if I send them to you guys, you will be able to load them. I guess we will find out.

Well someone sent me a version of ATR (I was too lazy to wait for Cobb) and when I created a tune with it and loaded it on my AP, it said it was locked to a S/N that did not match my AP. So I contacted Travis and by getting a new download link from Cobb and install it, I was able to create tunes and load them with my AP. But, I don't think if I send them to you guys, you will be able to load them. I guess we will find out.

Hmm, good to know. That has to be recent though because I had definitely done it in the past. Then again I was creating tunes through 1 version of ATR.

having a hard time opening the trailings table and leadings table, may i get some help?

So far i finished copy pasting

oil metering

MAF

and blue fuel map.

having a hard time opening the trailings table and leadings table, may i get some help?

So far i finished copy pasting

oil metering

MAF

and blue fuel map.

Which trailing and leading tables?

Copying and pasting? From what to what?

I'm unfamiliar with the Term Blue fuel Map, what is this?

What year Fuel Map? The are differences between some of the years and the number of Maps.

yeah ... fuel maps have colors?

I think he is talking about the one from 1st post

Yup the first page have two fuel maps

blue map is a bit leaner and the green fuel map is a little rich

when i open the leading ignition main i get number like this on excel

:1234567890123456789012345678901234567" <---example



And my ATR leading ignition main table look like this example

12345678901234567890
12345678901234567890
12345678901234567890 and so on.

also the trailing ignition main won't open on media fire it's like a lost file O.o

What software are you using?

Yup the first page have two fuel maps

blue map is a bit leaner and the green fuel map is a little rich

when i open the leading ignition main i get number like this on excel

:1234567890123456789012345678901234567" <---example



And my ATR leading ignition main table look like this example

12345678901234567890
12345678901234567890
12345678901234567890 and so on.

also the trailing ignition main won't open on media fire it's like a lost file O.o


None of this post makes any sense to me.

None of this post makes any sense to me.


How do I upload the leading and trailing ignition main and paste it on my ATR?

Ive already copied and paste the oil meter, MAF, and fuel map.

The tables look different on the leading and trailing compared to the rest.

also on the first post when i click on the trailing file nothing shows up on media fire.

im using fire fox and excel and im super confused, sorry for confusing you guys

Are you talking about copying data from your data logs into ATR?

Are you talking about copying data from your data logs into ATR?

Nope the maps trailing and leading in to my ATR then flash it in my car.

By the way is there any place, where some can dyno tune my car in S.A? i live 4 hours from there. ive only got J tran in houston that will do it for $550 and Engine logics for about the same price. but houston is like 6 hours away. Oh i live in Mission TX by the way. :sadwavey:

Also i see it kinda funny why doesn;t Cobb Austin and Cobb Plano won't tune rx8 :/

Scarey

Scarey


Why Scarey? your scaring me! :wiggle:

Nope the maps trailing and leading in to my ATR then flash it in my car.

By the way is there any place, where some can dyno tune my car in S.A? i live 4 hours from there. ive only got J tran in houston that will do it for $550 and Engine logics for about the same price. but houston is like 6 hours away. Oh i live in Mission TX by the way. :sadwavey:

Also i see it kinda funny why doesn;t Cobb Austin and Cobb Plano won't tune rx8 :/

Why not use MM?

Why not use MM?

Heard He's a good tuner but the only thing stopping me is no phone support and The tune taking forever :wiggle:

Nope the maps trailing and leading in to my ATR then flash it in my car.

By the way is there any place, where some can dyno tune my car in S.A? i live 4 hours from there. ive only got J tran in houston that will do it for $550 and Engine logics for about the same price. but houston is like 6 hours away. Oh i live in Mission TX by the way. :sadwavey:

Also i see it kinda funny why doesn;t Cobb Austin and Cobb Plano won't tune rx8 :/


You need to email kane@ppo2performance.com. Also register on www.ppo2performance.com You need some education on the topic and I think there may be a language barrier here. Also, from what I have been told, MM's new way of doing the tuning seems to be way better than the way he did it before.

tuning an engine isn't a cut & paste internet game, you clearly have no business tuning it yourself

Why not use MM?

did you type this between gulps of your favorite kool-aid beverage?

tuning an engine isn't a cut & paste internet game, you clearly have no business tuning it yourself

Yup that's why i gave up lol ill read ppo2 to gain some tuning education. till then ill see if i can find a tuner in S.A

if it is NA and you come up to DFW I will tune it for free, it will cost $100 to rent the facility where we can do it without worrying about police intervention, should only take a couple of hours and you can spend additional time playing drifter king or track master if you want

if it is NA and you come up to DFW I will tune it for free, it will cost $100 to rent the facility where we can do it without worrying about police intervention, should only take a couple of hours and you can spend additional time playing drifter king or track master if you want

LOL bro last time i was in the DFW i was stuck at the dealership cause i broke my wheel studs at a drift event in mineral wells that pissed me off cause came out to 800 bucks and they charged me from swapping my track wheels with my aftermarket wheels. :// anyways im a little scared to be stuck up there again 12 hour drive :wallbash::wallbash: including gas stops and pee stops cause i have a childs bladder :yelrotflm:yelrotflm going to DFW is somthing i got to think about. S.A is easy cause my sister goes to utsa and Houston cause i got tons of family over there too. I got no one any more up north. If i do decide togo your the first one ill message and please don't blow my car up lmao jk

That's the location I am referring to. We would have it to ourselves. I was there Tuesday all by myself, burned up a set of Hankook RS3s in 6 hrs hammering it hard.

I'm still curious about how this cut a pasting was being performed and with what tool/software.

Are there others doing this?

Was this one of those open source tools?

if it is NA and you come up to DFW I will tune it for free, it will cost $100 to rent the facility where we can do it without worrying about police intervention, should only take a couple of hours and you can spend additional time playing drifter king or track master if you want

We should set something up like this, I'd like to check out your 8.

Where is Dfw? I assume that's somewhere down south?

Where is Dfw? I assume that's somewhere down south?

Dallas Fort Worth Texas lol

That's the location I am referring to. We would have it to ourselves. I was there Tuesday all by myself, burned up a set of Hankook RS3s in 6 hrs hammering it hard.

We should set something up like this, I'd like to check out your 8.

GOD DAMN! on the dyno?

@9krpmrx8 Totally down lets do it in S.A :P well if only there is a dyno you could rent, and the only Dyno i could think of is Car Boy houston i beleive NST (Non Stop Tuning) were using the dyno there. I'm sure you guys are familiar with Aaron Losey if i spelled his last name right, he holds all the drift events in Texas.