Nissan has launched the official site for the upcoming GT-R that is set to be officially unveiled on October 24th, 2007.

The site includes photos of past GT-R models to keep you entertained until the car is officially unveiled at the Tokyo Auto Show.

GT-R Global Site

Nissan is also going to start taking preorders today in Japan for the car. Thanks to the guys over at NAGTROC we now have some more info on the car:

There are three trim levels:

- Base: $66,675 alloy wheels
- Black Edition: $68,580 forged wheels, black/red leather seats
- Premium Edition: $71,870, forged wheels, side airbags, Bose,

There are 6 exterior colors:

- Super Black
- Vibrant Red
- Pearl White (30k yen option)
- Titanium Grey
- Dark Metal Grey (according to a magazine, they will only produce 40 cars a month with this color)
- Ultimate Metal Silver (300k yen option)

There are 2 interior colors:

- Black edition only gets black
- Base and Premium can choose black or grey

Wheels and Tires:

- Base GT-R comes with unnamed alloys and Dunlop Sport tires
- Black and Premium editions come with Rays wheels and Bridgestone RE070s (run flat).

Other:

- The chassis code is CBA-R35
- Weight is ~1590 kg/3500 lbs
- Premium edition comes with a Thatcham class immobiliser and alarm (optional on the Base and Black Edition)
- Premium edition comes with a Bose sound system (optional on the Base and Black Edition)
- Premium edition has seat heater
- Side airbag system is optional on all 3 trims

Engine and Drivetrain:

- The engine designation is VR38DETT (Twin Turbocharged 3.8-liter V6)
- The engine performance of the 3 trims is the same
- There is no Manual transmission option

Optional:

- Titanium muffler (10 kg lighter)
- Anti-theft immobilizer 250,000 yen

There will be 160 high performance centers throughout Japan specialized in servicing the GT-R with GT-R specific mechanics (written in the preorder material).

I can't seem to find the link to the site. Can you provide one please?

Never mind, I think I just found it.

http://www.r35gtr.com/

Here is the link to Nissan's site:
http://www.gtrnissan.com/

I can't find the horsepower ratings anywhere besides in the rumors section that was totally incorrect. I wish they would release the full specs on the engine.

I have heard 550, but who knows what will happen due to emissions.

"The Nissan GT-R development team has made another run at the Nürburgring record books this morning--and the Porsche 911 Turbo is no longer its target. Sources intimately familiar with Nissan's latest test sessions inform us that the group is now gunning to beat the Porsche Carrera GT--a remarkably lofty goal considering that that Walter Röhrl reportedly piloted a Carrera GT around the 'Ring in 7 minutes 28 seconds. Another Carrera GT, driven by Horst von Saurma, managed a lap time of 7:32.

Our sources tell us that, thus far, the Nissan has fallen short of the Carrera GT's record-time, but not by much. Our mole tells us that some wet sections of the track slowed them down, and that with optimum track conditions, some heroic driving could still reel in the Porsche Supercar. Nissan reps would not divulge any specific lap times, but they hinted that something under 7:35 may have been achieved. Regardless, it's clear that Nissan's goal of overtaking the 911 Turbo has been achieved in a big way. "

HOLY CRAP.

http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2007/9/24/9070924.013/9070924.013.Mini6L.jpg

^thats alot of damn buttons on the wheel!! :Eyecrazy:

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6241/p6dc3.jpg

http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2007/9/24/9070924.013/9070924.013.Mini6L.jpg


To be honest, from this angle, the interior looks like crap. It looks really old.

[QUOTE=camaro194;2075864]
Engine and Drivetrain:

- The engine designation is VR38DETT (Twin Turbocharged 3.8-liter V6)
- The engine performance of the 3 trims is the same
- There is no Manual transmission option
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No Manual Transmission! What a load of crap.

^^Well, it's a Nissan...what would you expect! Every vehicle in their lineup is pretty plain, interior wise.

Engine and Drivetrain:

- The engine designation is VR38DETT (Twin Turbocharged 3.8-liter V6)
- The engine performance of the 3 trims is the same
- There is no Manual transmission option


No Manual Transmission! What a load of crap.

It's hard to imagine a seven speed transmission in a car. It'll feel like a Semi...

that's hard to imagine that they would only offer it in an auto

^
Well with VW introducing their DSG auto-tranny, BMW having their SMG, supercars companies like Ferrari and Lamborghini having their similar auto-trannies, and even the Mitsubishi Evo X MR having a similar "DSG" tranny it isn't all that hard to imagine that other car companies would follow that trend. Car companies are just trying to focus on "What sells." nowadays not so much "Let's cater to the car performance enthusiasts."

this car is going to be a legend, and provide some serious competition to a lot of exotic cars.

very nice info, could it be AT now, and MT in the future?

It's hard to imagine a seven speed transmission in a car. It'll feel like a Semi...

I dont think 500+ hp will feel like a semi.

I have now heard some discussion that the weight will be approx 38xx lbs.

I dont think 500+ hp will feel like a semi.

+1
and the fact that it killed the 911 Turbo track time and the car is not out yet was cool too. I would love to have this car but dam $60K is out of my reach. Now if it was $40K then it might be next to the 8, if Mazda don't make the Kabura Rotary I'll be moving on. But keeping the 8.

^
Well with VW introducing their DSG auto-tranny, BMW having their SMG, supercars companies like Ferrari and Lamborghini having their similar auto-trannies, and even the Mitsubishi Evo X MR having a similar "DSG" tranny it isn't all that hard to imagine that other car companies would follow that trend. Car companies are just trying to focus on "What sells." nowadays not so much "Let's cater to the car performance enthusiasts."

Fine, but make an MT an option at least.

I popped a you know what reading the original post until

- There is no Manual transmission option

Fail.

What most people forget that transmissions like the DSG and SMG transmissions ARE manual transmissions, they are sequential manual transmissions just like those in F1 cars, The Veryon has a 7 speed DSG.

DSGs are manual transmissions that have clutches and syncros that are controlled by using paddle shifters, the auto part is an addon to the this type of transmission.

Having driven both a 6MT GTI and TT and comparing them to the DSG version, the DSG is an amazing transmission, it's much more engaging IMO, because it reacts so fast, it does what YOU want it to do.

The DSG equipped cars were not only faster in a straight line, but faster around corners because you could downshift, and it will revmatch for you, but since the shifts are so lighting quick, around tight corners where you would normally bounce off the revlimiter in say 2nd gear, you can quickly shift to third gain more momentum, then downshift back to second in fractions of a second without losing time like you would with a regular MT.

Just like an MT, if you put it in non-auto mode, it'll hold gears as long as you want, although once you hit the fuel cut it'll automatically upshift for you, but you can ride the engine near redline until it blows up and the transmission won't shift, until either you upshift or you hit the fuel cut which it'll upshift for you.

DSG is great, I am very impressed, if the DSG in the Evo X and the GTR is anything like the DSG in the GTI and TT, I won't miss a traditional shifter and clutch MT style.

MT balh! They might be useing a Holinger like the 911 it killed. If thats the case it will be a 6 speed sport. Sick IMO.

Not bad. Right in at Vette range & cheaper than the Viper.. I imagine the Aftermarket world will explode all over this car..

Yeah if it does it will be like the old G34R aftermartke. All good stuff.

What most people forget that transmissions like the DSG and SMG transmissions ARE manual transmissions, they are sequential manual transmissions just like those in F1 cars, The Veryon has a 7 speed DSG.

DSGs are manual transmissions that have clutches and syncros that are controlled by using paddle shifters, the auto part is an addon to the this type of transmission.

Having driven both a 6MT GTI and TT and comparing them to the DSG version, the DSG is an amazing transmission, it's much more engaging IMO, because it reacts so fast, it does what YOU want it to do.

The DSG equipped cars were not only faster in a straight line, but faster around corners because you could downshift, and it will revmatch for you, but since the shifts are so lighting quick, around tight corners where you would normally bounce off the revlimiter in say 2nd gear, you can quickly shift to third gain more momentum, then downshift back to second in fractions of a second without losing time like you would with a regular MT.

Just like an MT, if you put it in non-auto mode, it'll hold gears as long as you want, although once you hit the fuel cut it'll automatically upshift for you, but you can ride the engine near redline until it blows up and the transmission won't shift, until either you upshift or you hit the fuel cut which it'll upshift for you.

DSG is great, I am very impressed, if the DSG in the Evo X and the GTR is anything like the DSG in the GTI and TT, I won't miss a traditional shifter and clutch MT style.


The DSG is not sequential, which is the main reason for having two clutches. Also, it's absolutely an automatic, it's just a very good one. If it can and will shift for you it's an automatic, end of story.

This is purely opinion, but I found the DSG to be far less engaging than the MT. I felt disconnected and like I was playing a video game with the DSG. Also, the power modulation possible with a MT will never be achieved by an automatic car, not matter how advanced the system is.

DSG is only faster when it has the launch control. In the US where there is no launch control the fastest stock cars have been MT's. No matter how fast the car shifts, an excellent driver is still better in this case. Also, there have been a couple track tests with the DSG against the MT GTI, and the MT was always faster around the road course even when the DSG car was faster in a straight line.

Yeah but who the hell buys a car like this and takes it to the track? I never see F450's or Lambos on the track like $30k cars. Guess we'll just have to wait and see what Nissan has up there sleave.

the both of u are wrong....

dsg is a manual, it has gears and synchros and a clutch disc (two of them). thats a manual trans. an auto has clutch packs and valve bodies both of which the dsg has not.....

ppl track supercars all the time, do u ever track ur 8? bc i do. and i see nothing but supercars. my 8 was the cheapest car on the track. i very much enjoy getting my doors blown off by vipers zo6s porsches and aston martins...

the both of u are wrong....

dsg is a manual, it has gears and synchros and a clutch disc (two of them). thats a manual trans. an auto has clutch packs and valve bodies both of which the dsg has not.....

ppl track supercars all the time, do u ever track ur 8? bc i do. and i see nothing but supercars. my 8 was the cheapest car on the track. i very much enjoy getting my doors blown off by vipers zo6s porsches and aston martins...

Until it has a clutch pedal it's still an automatic.

Until it has a clutch pedal it's still an automatic.

So all F1 cars are autos?

Until it has a clutch pedal it's still an automatic.


Ike, I completely agree with you, in all seriousness.

(I'm being serious, in case that came across as sarcastic.)

yes well the word automatic and manual are defined as i said.

YOU can THINK its an auto all u want, but its literally a manual trans...

whateevr, internet arguing hurts my head

Wow, this thread has gone horribly but interestingly OT.

The key distinction is that these SMG/DSG boxes do not have a torque convertor and the associated driveline losses. They are manual gear boxes, albeit automatically (or paddle) shifted. I agree there's a lot of satisfaction in expertly rowing your own gears, but to say there's no advantage to SMG/DSG would just plain be wrong. F1 cars are driven by the best driver's in the world and yet they have these "automatic" gear boxes. Here's one of my favorite clips of Ayrton Senna's 1991 Manaco pole laps in a convential manual box: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUkv6P-2SAw&mode=related&search= The YouTube clip loses some of the quality, but if you watch that clip in full resolution on a big screen TV it's just insane! And today's F1 car's are turning the same if not faster lap times with less power. Granted there are many technological advances that contribute to that, but these new gearboxes are a big part of it.

Wow, this thread has gone horribly but interestingly OT.

The key distinction is that these SMG/DSG boxes do not have a torque convertor and the associated driveline losses. They are manual gear boxes, albeit automatically (or paddle) shifted. I agree there's a lot of satisfaction in expertly rowing your own gears, but to say there's no advantage to SMG/DSG would just plain be wrong. F1 cars are driven by the best driver's in the world and yet they have these "automatic" gear boxes. Here's one of my favorite clips of Ayrton Senna's 1991 Manaco pole laps in a convential manual box: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUkv6P-2SAw&mode=related&search= The YouTube clip loses some of the quality, but if you watch that clip in full resolution on a big screen TV it's just insane! And today's F1 car's are turning the same if not faster lap times with less power. Granted there are many technological advances that contribute to that, but these new gearboxes are a big part of it.

Furthermore, F1 today completely blows compared to days of old.

I'm not denying that these new gearboxes are good, but a manual and automatic isn't defined by whether is has a clutch or a torque converter. If you have to manually disengage the clutch and select a gear it's a manual, if you push a little button and the car does the rest of the work for you it's an automatic whether it's done so with a clutch or not. I'm the one being literal here, some of you are the ones placing constarints on the definition of manual and automatic that simply don't exist. Lastly, yes, the current F1 cars are automatics.

I agree with Ike there,

manuals = doing the mechanical work ourselves (both clutch and shifter) instead of electric motors doing it for us.

Clutch = you gotta push it, its all linked mechanically
same as shifter, the shifter in the SMGs send digital signals. (expect for sequential boxes?)
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Who cares about the meanings of words? The issue should be whether or not a sports car should shift for you. That's just really out of this world for me. I have to have my own gears to shift, that's half of the fun of driving a sports car. Will they eventually have automatic steering and braking too?

You guys really NEED to drive the new Audi and VWs and compare the 6MT to the DSG.

The DSG is really really that good IMO. I wouldn't complain if I had one.

You CAN select your own gears, and you CAN upshift/downshift whenever you want. And it does it faster than you could with a normal clutch/gearbox

You guys really NEED to drive the new Audi and VWs and compare the 6MT to the DSG.

The DSG is really really that good IMO. I wouldn't complain if I had one.

You CAN select your own gears, and you CAN upshift/downshift whenever you want. And it does it faster than you could with a normal clutch/gearbox

I have, in fact I've driven the same car with DSG and manual back to back, I'll stick with MT cars... By the way, no one here is denying that they're very good automatic trannys.

I'll concede to the literal definition - they do shift automatically, so a spade is a spade. And I admit I love shifting manually also, so there's something lost with electronics/hydraulics doing the work. I just wanted to point out the technical distintion about the torque converter. I've driven the old (05 or 06 model IIRC) M3 with SMG and it was a POS based on my limited test drive. Supposedly BMW's new SMG is much better and I'd still like to get a drive in a truely well done setup. I do believe it's the way of the future, like it or not.

F1 today definitely has some faults (e.g. controlled tires, very strict aero and other technical regulations), but it's still my favorite form of motor racing. I particularly like the new knock-out qualifying format. In a sense it's pretty much the true race!

I have, in fact I've driven the same car with DSG and manual back to back, I'll stick with MT cars...

I just think the DSG is really really impressive, much better than I had ever thought it would be.

That and I thought the 6MT in both the GTI and the TT are sloppy, and the clutch wasn't the greatest either, it felt more engaging with the DSG than with the 6MT.

Maybe it's just those two cars, but the 6MT in those cars are pretty blah.

F1 today definitely has some faults (e.g. controlled tires, very strict aero and other technical regulations), but it's still my favorite form of motor racing. I particularly like the new knock-out qualifying format. In a sense it's pretty much the true race!

There's one big thing missing from F1 today that's pretty important to auto racing IMO. There's no actual racing going on! Well, it's getting better, but a few years ago it was quite stale.

Now this is racing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl2tIFxSEGA

RIP Gilles Villeneuve

I have, in fact I've driven the same car with DSG and manual back to back, I'll stick with MT cars... By the way, no one here is denying that they're very good automatic trannys.

So I guess you'r not going to get the EvoX :evil_laug

So I guess you'r not going to get the EvoX :evil_laug

The Evo X will be available in MT and AT.

What!?

Mitsubishi isn't stupid, that's what.

Correction its Shitsubishi ;)

"The Japanese press is reporting that the GT-R's twin-turbocharged 3.8-liter six-cylinder engine (designated VR38) will produce up to 550 horsepower. Initially, it will be mated only to a sequential automatic gearbox with paddle shifters on the steering wheel. Eventually, Nissan also plans to offer a manual transmission and already is developing uplevel V-spec and Evo variants, according to the local media."

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=122781

Maybe it's just those two cars, but the 6MT in those cars are pretty blah.

It's impressive because of how crappy the manuals are from audi/vw.

I'm with Ike, I drove the DSG GTI, and yeah it's smooth and blah blah, but who cares. I though I was going to fall asleep.

But back to the GTR, dunno just doesn't do much for me. I regularly sit in traffic with 911 Turbos and they seem to be going the same speed as me.. So who really cares.

People like the ones who post stuff like this all over the net and people who post good things in it.

It's impressive because of how crappy the manuals are from audi/vw.

I'm with Ike, I drove the DSG GTI, and yeah it's smooth and blah blah, but who cares. I though I was going to fall asleep.

But back to the GTR, dunno just doesn't do much for me. I regularly sit in traffic with 911 Turbos and they seem to be going the same speed as me.. So who really cares.

C'mon man, if that's really how you feel then you would be driving something slow and boring that gets great gas mileage.

Anyhow, I think the DSG is too smooth. You barely even know it shifts, even when going full out. A small jerk when shifting would actually make it better IMO. After the initial novelty wears off it really is like playing a boring video game. If I were to own one I'd give it 2 days before I stopped using the stupid little buttons on the steering wheel and just drove it like a regular old automatic 95% of the time.

Wonder who the first buyer will be...

Until it has a clutch pedal it's still an automatic.

I completely agree if someone makes a gearbox without a proper shifter and the pedals, I don't care if it can shift in .01ms it doesn't matter. I'm sure this is great for the track but it is still an AUTOMATIC not a "clutchless" manual, a very very advanced auto. indeed, but still an auto. IMO nothing can replace the "fun" factory of an old school gearbox.

Wonder who the first buyer will be...

Me, lol, I wish. But I want the GTR to be my next car.

Wonder who the first buyer will be...

I'm on the list at my nissan dealership but I'm taking it off since there's no manuel tranny.

All these definitions of manuals vs. auto have merit to me. The one thing that is the deciding factor is the transmissions impact on engine responsivness and control. It's much harder to drive a conventional (torque converter) automatic smoothly on the track even with the manual shift modes because the torque converter creates a lag between when you step on the gas and when the car starts putting power down. It makes it very hard to modulate the gas and time your corner entry and exists. A conventional manual and a singing and dancing electro-hydraulic actuated clutch transmission both still have the direct connection between the transmission and engine which provides that direct throttle response and allows for smoother track driving.

To me if it has a torque converter it's an auto and if it has a clutch it's a manual regardless of who does the shifting since the mechanics of the transmission are essentially the same concept. Flappy paddles or three pedals makes no difference to me as long as it feels good doing it.

Of course I'd be interested to find out how it is parallel parking a flappy paddle DSG without being able to feather the clutch...

Thank you!

As a diehard manual fan, the thing that REALLY pisses me off about the GT-R is actually not the transmission so much as the weight. 3800lbs! It doesn't matter hwo fast it goes. This is TOO MUCH for a car with serious sporting pretentions.

Will they eventually have automatic steering and braking too?

Umm... they already do. It's called electronic stability control... and ABS!!

I do agree however that nothing compares with the fun factor of an MT. Heel-toe downshifts 4 > 3 > 2 as you're flying into a corner... Nothing quite like it...

The weight is pretty staggering though... What gives?

Oh, and thanks for the F1 vids! The Monaco qualifying lap was terrifying... So fast and NO room for error.... The French GP vis was also very exciting...

who said its 3800 lb?

who said its 3800 lb?

Thats been the expected weight for a long time if you've kept up with all the rumors with this car, I've heard anywhere from 3300 (a lightened version) - 3800.

However, if nissan isn't lying about the times around the track this car is making (which they've done in the past with the GTR series) then either the horspower is way underrated or the car is lighter then people expect.

yo i heard from my cousin's roomate's sister its gonna be 5300lb yo

damn it!!!! that kabura better have a twin turbo rotary under the hood when it comes out!

I'd buy a god damn GT-R as opposed to a kabura, jesus..........

the interior looks like crap, the priced to compete with 'higher-powered' cars which is what i really like, but I seriously doubt a lot will be around the 'tuner scene'

it will def. be like the nsx.

but I love the damn NSX, and I certainly love the r34, so I will love this car too,

which begs the question, why did I buy the rx8?

I wish I could answer that

but I love the damn NSX, and I certainly love the r34, so I will love this car too,

which begs the question, why did I buy the rx8?

I wish I could answer that

because mommy could afford it.

but I love the damn NSX, and I certainly love the r34, so I will love this car too,

which begs the question, why did I buy the rx8?

I wish I could answer that

- Base: $66,675 alloy wheels
- Black Edition: $68,580 forged wheels, black/red leather seats
- Premium Edition: $71,870, forged wheels, side airbags, Bose,

1/2 the price maybe...

Add me to the camp that equates Manuals with Clutches and Auto's with TQ's. I'm in the camp that the auto rx8 is a cruel joke to stick drivers. I'm also in the camp that knows that a high end computer operated MANUAL transmission is the fastest, most adaptable form of transmission for any racing conditions really. I enjoy working a clutch adn lever, but would not be disapointed if my car of choice felt it necesary to maximize performance. Would've thunk people would cross a car off it's list for being faster then they thought it would be? Yes it will be faster over any distance with this tranny over a real stick.

It really comes down to what you expect out of a car. If you want it to be FUN, then an MT would probably be best.... You can practice your shifter work around town and have a blast.

If on the other hand, you're going for balls to the wall speed... The elecronically actuated trans would probably be better.

On the other hand, a truly excellent driver is faster than most of these electronic gadgets, so I don't see why it wouldn't be the case for shifting as well... With the right underlying components... Then again, 99.9% of drivers are not truly excellent... So it makes sense for manufacturers to put in these high-performance auto trannies, whatever acronym you want to label them with... So quit bitching, they said they will have an MT eventually..

On the other hand, a truly excellent driver is faster than most of these electronic gadgets, so I don't see why it wouldn't be the case for shifting as well... With the right underlying components... Then again, 99.9% of drivers are not truly excellent... So it makes sense for manufacturers to put in these high-performance auto trannies, whatever acronym you want to label them with... So quit bitching, they said they will have an MT eventually..



HA HA HA HA HA HA, that is one of the funniest things I have heard. These things shift quicker then superman. Somehing like 30ms...

Yeah F1 drivers suck, so they need a computer to shift for them?

It's a bit more fun to shift with a clutch, but it's also a bit more fun to drive faster.

if it does not come with MT. I will not even consider it.

No matter how much me (and my bro) likes it.

HA HA HA HA HA HA, that is one of the funniest things I have heard. These things shift quicker then superman. Somehing like 30ms...

Yeah F1 drivers suck, so they need a computer to shift for them?

It's a bit more fun to shift with a clutch, but it's also a bit more fun to drive faster.

Not so funny... It's been shown time and time again that in the hands of experienced drivers manual M3s are faster than the SMG counterparts around a track, and it has been shown with the new GTI as well. Even in a straight line the quickest stock M3 and GTI (without launch control) times I've seen have been manuals.

As well, an F1 car shift in 30 ms, the new 430 Scuderia in 60ms, the FXX in 80ms. Most other SMG, DSG etc, do it somewhere in the mid 100ms range. And now you know.

The SST trans in the 2008 Evolution MR is far more advanced than the german DSG trans, for starters it allows left foot braking during throttle use, the DSG won't

all the reviews have been extremely positive, the SST outlaps the manual

As well, an F1 car shift in 30 ms, the new 430 Scuderia in 60ms, the FXX in 80ms. Most other SMG, DSG etc, do it somewhere in the mid 100ms range. And now you know.

SMG (BMW) is 80-120ms (depending on generation), DSG (for VWAG) is around the 50ms mark. Just wanted to correct your numbers a bit

Remember 1000ms makes a second :) so if anyone claims they can shift in 0.1 seconds let me know :)

After working out with my gyro ball, I can shift gears faster than these f1 trannies with my manual 8. Although, I do have redline mt-90.

The SST trans in the 2008 Evolution MR is far more advanced than the german DSG trans, for starters it allows left foot braking during throttle use, the DSG won't

all the reviews have been extremely positive, the SST outlaps the manual

What's your source for saying the SST outlaps the MT?

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/16/2008-nissan-gt-r-unveiled-on-cover-of-motor-trend/
0-60 3.5s
1/4 mile 11.7s
top speed 192mph

wonder what the tunners will do after they get their hands on it

- Base: $66,675 alloy wheels
- Black Edition: $68,580 forged wheels, black/red leather seats
- Premium Edition: $71,870, forged wheels, side airbags, Bose,

1/2 the price maybe...

Are these for U.S. prices or Japan market prices?

After working out with my gyro ball, I can shift gears faster than these f1 trannies with my manual 8. Although, I do have redline mt-90.

Uh so you can clutch/shift 10 times in a 1 second?

That is the SLOWEST one, the fastest one would do 25 shifts (engaging and disengaging the clutch each time) in 1 second

no offense but i forsee alot of dead people from this car. If anyone has driven a z06 its just scary fast. and in the wrong hands can be deadly. if alot of fanboi fast and furious nerds buy this car its going to be deadly.

and no offense to you gtr lovers but i think the z06 has WAY more style.

this wont last long if this car is faster than a Z. chevy will retune the z06 or put a blower on it. *from what people at our chevy store say its already been talked about heavily*

http://www.motorauthority.com/images/Odds/2007/10/Motor_Trend/motor_trend_cover_dec.jpg

holy god, I really really want one of these!! but with the extra 60k I think I could buy a 20B swap it in and make it work @.@

no offense but i forsee alot of dead people from this car. If anyone has driven a z06 its just scary fast. and in the wrong hands can be deadly. if alot of fanboi fast and furious nerds buy this car its going to be deadly.

and no offense to you gtr lovers but i think the z06 has WAY more style.

this wont last long if this car is faster than a Z. chevy will retune the z06 or put a blower on it. *from what people at our chevy store say its already been talked about heavily*

except that Z06 cant even beat an STi on the track. and STi has what about only 2/3 of Z06's hp.

Im completely opposite of you, I think Z06 looks like crap, just like all of its older brothers.

I dont really like the new GT-R either.

the tranny shifts faster than any human being, but I still wont buy it unless they have MT option.

holy god, I really really want one of these!! but with the extra 60k I think I could buy a 20B swap it in and make it work @.@

Im fairly sure with 20b you can get to the stock GT-R's performance.

but as soon as tuners around the world lay their hands on the new GT-R ...

I am really concerned about the weight of this car. I think we can all agree the Nissan is not very good about keeping their cars very light *cough Z cough*.

I am fairly sure (and correct me if i am wrong) a Z weighs in at about 3200-3400lbs?

They both are baised of the same platform yet the the GTR has a lot more hardware under the hood (turbos, intercooler, pipeing,).

A not so light AWD system.

It is longer and wider than a Z.

It will also have more of the conveyances that come with a 70K car (sunroof, electric everything, sat. nav. nice stereo system)

That figure of 3500lbs is starting to look kind of optimistic.:uhh:

I am really concerned about the weight of this car. I think we can all agree the Nissan is not very good about keeping their cars very light *cough Z cough*.

I am fairly sure (and correct me if i am wrong) a Z weighs in at about 3200-3400lbs?

They both are baised of the same platform yet the the GTR has a lot more hardware under the hood (turbos, intercooler, pipeing,).

A not so light AWD system.

It is longer and wider than a Z.

It will also have more of the conveyances that come with a 70K car (sunroof, electric everything, sat. nav. nice stereo system)

That figure of 3500lbs is starting to look kind of optimistic.:uhh:

its about 3.5K lbs. a bit more if you want the premium package. but it will be under 3600.

I think even it is 3600 lbs, its still *light weight*, I would get this over any Porshce or even Ferrari.

no offense but i forsee alot of dead people from this car. If anyone has driven a z06 its just scary fast. and in the wrong hands can be deadly. if alot of fanboi fast and furious nerds buy this car its going to be deadly.

and no offense to you gtr lovers but i think the z06 has WAY more style.

this wont last long if this car is faster than a Z. chevy will retune the z06 or put a blower on it. *from what people at our chevy store say its already been talked about heavily*

Wow... Are you for real? "In the wrong hands" any car is an accident waiting to happen. In this respect a Volvo Lead Sled would be much more dangerous... At least a GT-R will stop when you slam on the brakes at 100mph :lol2:

As for the shifting speed debate... 100ms shift on a manual trans is not that outrageous. And no you will not be shifting 10 times in 1 second. There is no reason to do this since you need to wait for the car to speed up or slow down enough to need a gear change.... Any physically, it is much easier to make one 0.1s shift every half a second or so, than 10 0.1s shifts in a row... Once you get the action into "muscle memory" I'm sure 0.1s can be possible, maybe a little less even. Personally I think I am somewhere around 0.3 (and am working on getting that number down...).

BTW, shifting speed is not the end all and be all for driving fast. The smoothness of the shift is much more important. A talented driver can adjust to the needs of the track based on weather, etc... Hence my claim above (which I maintain!) that a good driver should be faster in an MT than in the auto-ish trans...

As for the styling... I am not a big fan of the R35's styling. I think the R34 was much meaner-looking, and sexier... And btw, the Z06 has a fat ass... Not to mention that everyone and their grandmother drives a vette...

C6 killer maybe, ZO6 killer....not likely.

its about 3.5K lbs. a bit more if you want the premium package. but it will be under 3600.

I think even it is 3600 lbs, its still *light weight*, I would get this over any Porshce or even Ferrari.


No wayyyyyy..... F430 for me. Heck I still take a 997 Turbo. It's not about how fast one can round the 'Ring (after all do you drive that every moment?) It's the overall driving feel. I've also a feeling that the Porsche and Ferrari will hold better value at Barrett-Jackson than a Skyline. Gosh I see so many imported clunky R32s here. :icon_no2: Sure they are prolly faster than a 993 but guess which one would rather drive? Same with this after 10 years.

except that Z06 cant even beat an STi on the track. and STi has what about only 2/3 of Z06's hp.
What track would that be? I'd love to see that information.

And while we're on the topic of made up facts, where did you get your weight for the GT-R from?

C6 killer maybe, ZO6 killer....not likely.

not on the drag strip, but its a more capable car @ nurburgring

Ill have a 911 turbo above it still, but I would want a 20b Turbo rx8 more

No wayyyyyy..... F430 for me. Heck I still take a 997 Turbo. It's not about how fast one can round the 'Ring (after all do you drive that every moment?) It's the overall driving feel. I've also a feeling that the Porsche and Ferrari will hold better value at Barrett-Jackson than a Skyline. Gosh I see so many imported clunky R32s here. :icon_no2: Sure they are prolly faster than a 993 but guess which one would rather drive? Same with this after 10 years.

Whatever floats your boat... I would take a Skyline over an equivalently-priced Ferrari or Porsche any day.

not on the drag strip, but its a more capable car @ nurburgring

I've never seen independent testing of either the Z06 or GT-R on the nurburgring. It sounds like you have this info?

We all know manufactures lie or embelish, swap tires, etc etc, so I don't think trusting the manufacturers claims is the right way to judge. Besides, IIRC, Nissan lied about the R34 GT-Rs time at the ring

What track would that be? I'd love to see that information.

And while we're on the topic of made up facts, where did you get your weight for the GT-R from?

+1

No chance in hell a STi beats a Z06 at the race track. Anyone who thinks thats even a fair car comparison wouldn't even know what a track looks like.

+1

No chance in hell a STi beats a Z06 at the race track. Anyone who thinks thats even a fair car comparison wouldn't even know what a track looks like.

Hillbilly racetrack...

http://www.rockymountainroads.com/nebraska/i-080_wb_exit_020_01.jpg

^ yea, that would definitly work, to lose your license, an arm or a leg that is

75... sexy!

except that Z06 cant even beat an STi on the track. and STi has what about only 2/3 of Z06's hp.


Put the pipe down and step away from the internet.

Put the pipe down and step away from the internet.

STI = 4WD
Z06 = 2WD

I am sure there are tracks where the STI has the advantage when the Z06 can't put down its power...

hahah, so we've gone from the Z06 can't beat an STi on the track, to I'm sure somewhere, sometime, in a galaxy far far away, and STi beat a Z06.

Good on you.

STI = 4WD
Z06 = 2WD

I am sure there are tracks where the STI has the advantage when the Z06 can't put down its power...

You know, you're 100% correct. Maybe a race at Road America after a few inches of fresh snow.


I can't believe some of you are even entertaining this idea. It's absurd. And let's not even get into ricer math about what you can do to a STi to get it to beat a Z06.

So all F1 cars are autos?

Actually, F1 Cars have clutch engagement paddles on the steering wheel.
http://www.f1technical.net/articles/envi/images/steering-bmw.jpg
1. Pit lane speed limiter
2. Differential +
3. Engine push
4. Gear upshift
5. Traction control +
6. Engine push setting switch
7. Clutch lever
8. Traction control
9. Team info inlap
10. Burn out
11. Multifunctional switch
12. Lambda 13. Diagnostic
14. Wing angle info switch
15. Clutch
16. Differential selective switch
17. Team radio
18. Traction control -
19. Gear downshift
20. Engine break
21. Differential -
22. Neutral
23. Display page change

I think this tranny should be called a manumatic.

Now if Nissan intro'd a 7 speed gearbox with F1 paddle shift and a carbon gearbox that could change gears in 65ms then I would pee myself. This would be Ferrari territory.

Lower right had paddle - Clutch Paddle
Drink Button - Press Button, recieve beer.
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb82/cparish07/FerrariSteeringwheel.jpg

SHOWOFF, thanks for the pic, cool stuff...

For the rest of you - wtf? I admit I have never seen a Z06 race an STI. Either give me lap times or STFU cos until then it's all speculation... And BTW, what driving conditions do you see more often? Road Atlanta? Or a snow/ice/rain-slicked road?

Anyway, the R35 will rape the Z06. Nuff said.

For the rest of you - wtf? I admit I have never seen a Z06 race an STI. Either give me lap times or STFU cos until then it's all speculation... And BTW, what driving conditions do you see more often? Road Atlanta? Or a snow/ice/rain-slicked road?

Anyway, the R35 will rape the Z06. Nuff said.

Too funny.

From Top Gear's testing since everyone on this site likes to reference them:
Chevrolet Corvette C6 (not even the Z06) - 1.26.8

Subaru Impreza STI - 1.30.1

No speculation needed. And "snow/ice/rain-slicked road"...we're talking track times not bs on the street.


edit: that C6 time may be the Z06...not 100% sure one way or another, someone correct me...

Anyway, the R35 will rape the Z06. Nuff said.

Er, what? The quoted quarter mile and 0-60 times of the Z06 that I have found fit right in with the GTR numbers on that magazine cover. Plus, the Z06 is a pretty impressive handler as well. Where do you keep getting this information from? The Fast and the Furious? Need for Speed? Juiced 2: Hot Import Nights?

^^That's where I think he's getting it from. His mom must have bought him some games and movies for his sweet 16.

More pics
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb82/cparish07/08_nissan_skyline_whl_500.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb82/cparish07/08_nissan_skyline_rint_500.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb82/cparish07/08_nissan_skyline_r34_500.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb82/cparish07/08_nissan_skyline_ip_500.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb82/cparish07/08_nissan_skyline_int_det_500.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb82/cparish07/08_nissan_skyline_int_1_500.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb82/cparish07/08_nissan_skyline_int_2_500.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb82/cparish07/08_nissan_skyline_eng_500.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb82/cparish07/08_nissan_skyline_crg_500.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb82/cparish07/08_nissan_skyline_act_prf_500.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb82/cparish07/08_nissan_skyline_act_f34_500.jpg

Red Devil - thanks for the lap times. Let's wait for a comparison with a Skyline ;-) Let's not get into how reliable Top Gear times are... But yeah, it's really not any surprise that the Z06 is faster... It costs twice as much as the STI... And the STI is a 4dr sedan.

My comments about the R35 raping the Z06 were not based only on performance. Yes, their straight line numbers may be the same. The reasons I think the R35 is better:

- One of the most advanced 4WD systems on the planet = monstrous amount of traction
- Great looks! :-D The Z06 has a fat ass... I do prefer the R34's style to the R35's, but it's still a nice looking car.
- Exclusivity - as I mentioned above, freaking everyone has a 'vette..

And for your information... Not all people who are into japanese cars are 16 year-old with a crush on the fast and the furious... Yes I watched the movies. So have you. BTW, "tokyo drift" was a crappy movie made awesome by the Keiichi Tsuchiya cameo.

I would buy the Skyline over the Vette... You might not. Whatever. As far as I'm concerned the R35 is superior.

Sweet! More pics... You know what? I take back what I said, it's a very nice looking car in its own right. May be very different from the R34 but I shouldn't complain about change...

I bed the US model will get yellow corners and the first mod people do once they buy it is put on the clears :lol: Speedo to 340kph (212mph).. Sweet!

.... hmmmm ..... the styling has me, kind of "i don't know" ish. The Skyline was a sick car at first sight. I'm not feeling the same with this new GT-R.

.... the front and the roof .....

for me... Skyline > Vette for the same reasons as CnnmnSchnpps. Too me that Skyline looks hot, plus you can tow 3 girls with you, compared to just 1 girl with the vette. :)

I'm not old enough to drive a Vette. When I retire and want to feel like I'm 25 when I'm 65 I'll maybe think about parking it next to my low mileage Lincoln Town Car or my Buick whatever...

^= +1 ... But don't tell my gf :lol:

Not a big fan of the front either, but I'm sure body kits will be available soon enough. The rear is a great new look but still keeping with the tradition. Rock on!

^ at least a front bumper.

The front's reminds me of the current gen Eclipse. So I am cold on that one. The rear is a bit too busy. And once again, Nissan has proved that they completely suck and delivering a nice steering wheel. This one looks like an Altima unit minus one spoke. I bet black or darker colours would hide away the disjointed lines. Nice rims!

The front's reminds me of the current gen Eclipse.

+1

Also, the headlights remind me of the last generation Celica.

Basically, the styling just screams "generic Japanese sporty car." It just doesn't look like it should cost anywhere near what the actual price tag will be. I miss the 90's when you could pay $30k for an RX-7 or even a 300ZX and everyone would think it was an exotic that costing many times that.

I always thought the FD was closer to 40k sticker price. Add in inflation, rising costs for safety, emissions, and the techno gadgetry people demand, plus the fact that many in the target audience are in awe of the skyline heritage, and will pay just for the name, and the price doesn't seem so ridiculous IMO.

Red Devil - thanks for the lap times. Let's wait for a comparison with a Skyline ;-) Let's not get into how reliable Top Gear times are... But yeah, it's really not any surprise that the Z06 is faster... It costs twice as much as the STI... And the STI is a 4dr sedan.

My comments about the R35 raping the Z06 were not based only on performance. Yes, their straight line numbers may be the same. The reasons I think the R35 is better:

- One of the most advanced 4WD systems on the planet = monstrous amount of traction
- Great looks! :-D The Z06 has a fat ass... I do prefer the R34's style to the R35's, but it's still a nice looking car.
- Exclusivity - as I mentioned above, freaking everyone has a 'vette..

And for your information... Not all people who are into japanese cars are 16 year-old with a crush on the fast and the furious... Yes I watched the movies. So have you. BTW, "tokyo drift" was a crappy movie made awesome by the Keiichi Tsuchiya cameo.

I would buy the Skyline over the Vette... You might not. Whatever. As far as I'm concerned the R35 is superior.

I am going to have to agree with you. Given the choice i would take the GTR.

However, i don't see how it could take a Z06 around a track.

Lets assume that the GTR weights 3500lbs and makes 450hp, that would put it at about 7.78 pounds per hp.

The Z06 weights in at 3160lbs and makes 505 crank hp so that puts it at 6.26 pounds per hp.

Thats not a small difference when you talk about going around a race track.

This is also not taking into account what each makes at the wheels, and a AWD system eats up a more power than a RWD layout.

Thats if the GTR weights 3500lbs, and i don't think it will.

I don't see how a car that weights almost 400 pounds more and has 50 less hp is going to go around a track faster than a Z06.

It is not like the GTR badges give it some magical power over physics.

That said, i REALLY want one. :lol2:

the porche 911 has better power to weight ratio than the cayman S, but the cayman S has faster lap time around nurburgring, it sure didnt out accelerate the 911 to get the better time.

one of the knock against the c6 vette's platform is that it feels nervous and unpredictable at the limit, so its not amongst the best sports cars at cornering. Its still a great handling car, just not at the elite level.
The porche 911 turbo also has inferior power/weight ratio than the z06 yet it also has a faster nurburgring laptime. the unofficial time of the GT-R is a few ticks faster than the 911 turbo according to autoblog. this was discussed earlier in this thread a few pages back, or in another GT-R thread in general automotive

That's it? We waited years upon years for that thing? <shrug>
The interior gives me a headache..

the porche 911 has better power to weight ratio than the cayman S, but the cayman S has faster lap time around nurburgring
Not true. Cayman S is faster on some slower/tighter courses, but not Nurburgring...

Not true. Cayman S is faster on some slower/tighter courses, but not Nurburgring...

im not trying to argue with you over specifics but i read it in autoweek
http://caymans.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!B84FB80606762126!143.entry

not on the drag strip, but its a more capable car @ nurburgring

The GTR may beat the ZO6 but not destroy it. Give the ZO6 a little room so the LS7can stretch it's legs and you might have a different outcome. I just don't see the big deal when it comes to the GTR, Nissan will finally bring a car to the US that can outshine the Z. Don't get me wrong I respect the GTR as it is a very capable machine but at the same time I think the GTR is being thrown into an already crowded class of super cars.

shrug, to each hes own. i think what will ultimately make or break its legacy will depend on what tuners can do with it. i think the GT-R is more known for its tunability than its stock performance. well see, i like it but its too much $ for me, id rather put that kinda dough toward a condo

I do wonder how much more the tuners will be able to get out of the GTR's engine. I'm guessing their of course will be chassis and suspension mods as well, although the GTR seems to already stick to the road like it's tires are wraped in glue.

shrug, to each hes own. i think what will ultimately make or break its legacy will depend on what tuners can do with it. i think the GT-R is more known for its tunability than its stock performance. well see, i like it but its too much $ for me, id rather put that kinda dough toward a condo

That's true, in stock form the Evo and STI were outperforming the GTR Skylines for a while before production ceased. The thing that the GTR had for a while was tunability, but that edge went away towards the end of its production and it was time for a major update.

Put the pipe down and step away from the internet.

maybe you should step away from the internet and watch some real proof from some people @ best motoring.

STI = 4WD
Z06 = 2WD

I am sure there are tracks where the STI has the advantage when the Z06 can't put down its power...

if you lose, you lose, the car of choice is yours, isnt it?

I am going to have to agree with you. Given the choice i would take the GTR.

However, i don't see how it could take a Z06 around a track.

Lets assume that the GTR weights 3500lbs and makes 450hp, that would put it at about 7.78 pounds per hp.

The Z06 weights in at 3160lbs and makes 505 crank hp so that puts it at 6.26 pounds per hp.

Thats not a small difference when you talk about going around a race track.

This is also not taking into account what each makes at the wheels, and a AWD system eats up a more power than a RWD layout.

Thats if the GTR weights 3500lbs, and i don't think it will.

I don't see how a car that weights almost 400 pounds more and has 50 less hp is going to go around a track faster than a Z06.

It is not like the GTR badges give it some magical power over physics.

That said, i REALLY want one. :lol2:

Sometimes it has more to do with aerodynamics, the body structure, etc.

Most important thing, what the car was *originally* build for.

In this case, the GT-R, was designed to be a super sports car. who can turn well on even high speed driving. Well Porshce was their target car so go figure.

Vette .... another pathetic attempt from Chevy .... *muscle car*

All I can say is that is an UGLY interior =/

All I can say is that is an UGLY interior =/

yea looks kinda weird

but you never know, it might look better if its in *person* :)

Vette .... another pathetic attempt from Chevy .... *muscle car*

Wow...that's dead wrong. The base C6, and the C6 Z06 have very little in common and shared architecture. So much so that the Z06 probably shouldn't even be called a Vette.

I find myself sticking up for the Z06 so much on this site...sigh. It's way more than a "muscle car".

Wow...that's dead wrong. The base C6, and the C6 Z06 have very little in common and shared architecture. So much so that the Z06 probably shouldn't even be called a Vette.

I find myself sticking up for the Z06 so much on this site...sigh. It's way more than a "muscle car".

Well, I know what the Z06 is about.

but if u ask me to rate it, it is still in the muscle car category.

Meaning, I dont mind to have 1 for free. but if you want me to buy it. nahhhhhHHH

Well, I know what the Z06 is about.

but if u ask me to rate it, it is still in the muscle car category.

Meaning, I dont mind to have 1 for free. but if you want me to buy it. nahhhhhHHH

To each his own. I'd never purchase the GTR, but I'll respect it for what it is.

To each his own. I'd never purchase the GTR, but I'll respect it for what it is.

my accord is still faster.

Anyone else think it looks like a Tiburon?

To each his own. I'd never purchase the GTR, but I'll respect it for what it is.

I'll never get it unless they have MT option. :Eyecrazy:

I wouldn't consider the vette a muscle car. It's bordering more on Supercar with Viper and Ford GT.

the z06's handling is not on par with the best in the world, but its definetly a real sports car and very capable on any type of track

my accord is still faster.

My friend's Yaris is da fastest !

nycgps,

im going to try to be respectful here.


HAVE YOU ACTUALLY DRIVEN A 06-08 z06 yet. believe me there is no way stock for stock the Sti can hold the Z's jockstrap in anything. ive driven both cars.. and yes if its a very tight course a z06 wont get the power down.. but who drives like that?

im saying this from a person who OWNS a 07 black z06.

you dont know what your talking about.


gooodday.

dude, a z06 stock vs an STI stock, do you really need to compare? everyone knows the z06 is gonna win, god how smart can you be

nycgps,

im going to try to be respectful here.


HAVE YOU ACTUALLY DRIVEN A 06-08 z06 yet. believe me there is no way stock for stock the Sti can hold the Z's jockstrap in anything. ive driven both cars.. and yes if its a very tight course a z06 wont get the power down.. but who drives like that?

im saying this from a person who OWNS a 07 black z06.

you dont know what your talking about.


gooodday.

*sigh*

I never drove one I know.

but it was published on one of the best motoring video. STi kicked the Z06's ass. I was surprised too.

maybe not all the tracks. especially ones with a lot of straights.

Dont make it sound like I made stuff up. go look at the video

*sigh*

dude, a z06 stock vs an STI stock, do you really need to compare? everyone knows the z06 is gonna win, god how smart can you be

maybe u should watch the video first, then you talk ?

god, how smart can I be? I dont know. but I watched the video, and that was the result.

*Flame Suit Equipped*

I'm talking about straights, my bad man, and, I hate to say this over and over, but 1 video doesn't really justify it as a whole, but hell, a corvette vs an STI, stock vs stock..............STI win just doesn't compute

I'm talking about straights, my bad man, and, I hate to say this over and over, but 1 video doesn't really justify it as a whole, but hell, a corvette vs an STI, stock vs stock..............STI win just doesn't compute

I know it doesnt make sense to some.

but a win is a win, it doesnt have to make sense. right ?

if its a straight line .... I swear my life the z06 will win (if the drivers are serious lol)

And what tires did the Z06 have in the best motoring review? If the answer is run flats then there you go.

its stock for stock. as always.

3 laps run. I think it was the tsubaka(spelling) track.

I know it doesnt make sense to some.

but a win is a win, it doesnt have to make sense. right ?

if its a straight line .... I swear my life the z06 will win (if the drivers are serious lol)

congrats, you keep your life lol

i watch every episode of best motoring i dont remember any episode of best motoring or hot version that has z06 vs sti, but unless its raining like crazy, i dont see how its possible the sti would even come close to the z06's lap time at tsukuba.

it dosnt make sense because they usually pit cars of the same performance class together, its highly unlikely theyd have stock z06 vs sti on best motoring or hot version in the same race.

i watch every episode of best motoring i dont remember any episode of best motoring or hot version that has z06 vs sti, but unless its raining like crazy, i dont see how its possible the sti would even come close to the z06's lap time at tsukuba.

it dosnt make sense because they usually pit cars of the same performance class together, its highly unlikely theyd have stock z06 vs sti on best motoring or hot version in the same race.


It was the S204 STI and it was the slowest of all the cars on the track in the time attack. The Suby held up the pack for 3 laps so it got the win.

It was the S204 STI and it was the slowest of all the cars on the track in the time attack. The Suby held up the pack for 3 laps so it got the win.

haha, I guess by nycgps' logic, this thing could smoke a Z06 too...
http://www.rakemag.com/today/yoivanhoe/archive/hay%20wagon.jpg

It was the S204 STI and it was the slowest of all the cars on the track in the time attack. The Suby held up the pack for 3 laps so it got the win.

A win is a win, right ? :)

haha, I guess by nycgps' logic, this thing could smoke a Z06 too...
http://www.rakemag.com/today/yoivanhoe/archive/hay%20wagon.jpg

it could be. if the Z06 is not moving. :Eyecrazy:

Uhmm...just to get back on topic for a sec. :yesnod: Has any1 seen this?

Curb Weight: 3792 pounds

http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071017/FREE/71017001/1065

Maannnn...whaaatt a porker!!! Guess that's to be expected right? <Ahem> Carry on.

Uhmm...just to get back on topic for a sec. :yesnod: Has any1 seen this?

Curb Weight: 3792 pounds

http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar.../71017001/1065

Maannnn...whaaatt a porker!!! Guess that's to be expected right? <Ahem> Carry on.

Not surprised considering the portliness of the Z/G35c...

Uhmm...just to get back on topic for a sec. :yesnod: Has any1 seen this?

Curb Weight: 3792 pounds

http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar.../71017001/1065

Maannnn...whaaatt a porker!!! Guess that's to be expected right? <Ahem> Carry on.

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http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071017/FREE/71017001/1065

man.. just go to the homepage and click on it yourself
http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage

its got a transaxle mounted on the back, interesting, but how did they make it so heavy? But that just means more potential for a lighter GTR. There are awful lots of gadgets in the GTR, aluminium trim, power seats, etc etc.

it pulls 0.99g too!
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the R-34 is 3672.9 lbs, seems they were never nimble, but this new one really is porky
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/395/Nissan-Skyline-R34-GTR.html
on best motoring they've said that what really makes good handling is linear and predictable progression, what made them not like the c6 vette was due to its unpredictable handling near the limit.

The thing about best motoring is that the results are almost ALWAYS off. In 75% of the races Tsuchiya wins or that one old guy...no matter what car they drive..
type r civic vs STI....civic wins
modded rx8 vs modded civic...civic wins

I love best motoring..but i dont take their results to mean anything

The thing about best motoring is that the results are almost ALWAYS off. In 75% of the races Tsuchiya wins or that one old guy...no matter what car they drive..
type r civic vs STI....civic wins
modded rx8 vs modded civic...civic wins

I love best motoring..but i dont take their results to mean anything

off topic : which ep shows type r civic beat STI?

On topic : GT-R was never light, but its potential keep it on the top of the list. and with all the luxury stuff they have in there ... maybe if you take all the stuff out like leather seats and stuff. not hard to get 100 lbs off.

Uhmm...just to get back on topic for a sec. :yesnod: Has any1 seen this?

Curb Weight: 3792 pounds

http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071017/FREE/71017001/1065

Maannnn...whaaatt a porker!!! Guess that's to be expected right? <Ahem> Carry on.

My worst fears have been confirmed. Nissan just could not keep the weight down.

But still thats just more car to love! :evil_laug

off topic : which ep shows type r civic beat STI?



None of them... The WRX and Type R's are neck and neck though.

Woww... 3800lbs? That's like sticking 5 extra people in the 8 (not including the driver)... Porker is right... I'm hoping alot of that is luxury stuff that can be gutted...

Woww... 3800lbs? That's like sticking 5 extra people in the 8 (not including the driver)... Porker is right... I'm hoping alot of that is luxury stuff that can be gutted...

except that the GT-R still has the horse to run.

While the 8 .... it could move but, dont expect it to *shine*

except that the GT-R still has the horse to run.

While the 8 .... it could move but, dont expect it to *shine*

you can hide weight by heaping more hp and tq. but you cannot escape physics when it comes to driving dynamics. I bet the Elise will school this GTR around Col de Turini.
that is why cars these days are getting more powerful - to offset its increased weight.

yeah the 3792lbs weight just made me give up on the GTR. Hello Z06! with its quite lean 3132lb weight...

600lbs Lighter! You can't tell me that all wheel drive and LESS power is going to help makeup for that are you?

The unmasking of it... makes me want them to put the mask back on it as well. I'm rather disappointed. Even if they came out with a version thats 300lbs lighter with all fancy carbon fiber this and that - for the price you would pay for all that extra you could buy the Z06 and buy some insane mods and get into 600+HP territory and STILL have money left over.

SMG (BMW) is 80-120ms (depending on generation), DSG (for VWAG) is around the 50ms mark. Just wanted to correct your numbers a bit

Remember 1000ms makes a second :) so if anyone claims they can shift in 0.1 seconds let me know :)


A good driver takes 100 (absolute minimum) to 200 milliseconds to complete each shift, and longer as the race wears down and he gets tired.

A lot slower than an F1 gear box at 30-50 milliseconds but a lot faster than me!

As for the shifting speed debate... 100ms shift on a manual trans is not that outrageous. And no you will not be shifting 10 times in 1 second. There is no reason to do this since you need to wait for the car to speed up or slow down enough to need a gear change.... Any physically, it is much easier to make one 0.1s shift every half a second or so, than 10 0.1s shifts in a row... Once you get the action into "muscle memory" I'm sure 0.1s can be possible, maybe a little less even. Personally I think I am somewhere around 0.3 (and am working on getting that number down...).

What he said...but I'm not a fast shifter at all.

yeah the 3792lbs weight just made me give up on the GTR. Hello Z06! with its quite lean 3132lb weight...

600lbs Lighter! You can't tell me that all wheel drive and LESS power is going to help makeup for that are you?

The unmasking of it... makes me want them to put the mask back on it as well. I'm rather disappointed. Even if they came out with a version thats 300lbs lighter with all fancy carbon fiber this and that - for the price you would pay for all that extra you could buy the Z06 and buy some insane mods and get into 600+HP territory and STILL have money left over.

AWD does wonders for traction and handling...much more fun to drive on public roads because you'll never fishtail even with all that power.

I agree that the GT-R looks like crap...I wanna see what JDM upgrades will do to its looks.

Amarican cars suck sorry! My opinion is my opinion.

I wanted to write this thing off completely when I head 80k, but at 60k for the base, it's starting to look quite interesting....I'm not saying I can afford to buy one but others will be tempted will which means a larger aftermarket industry so we shoudl see lots of interesting upgrades in terms of power, weight, looks.

you can hide weight by heaping more hp and tq. but you cannot escape physics when it comes to driving dynamics. I bet the Elise will school this GTR around Col de Turini.
that is why cars these days are getting more powerful - to offset its increased weight.
And the 8 can school a Z06 in an auto-x. Now put the same Elise on the Ring against the GT-R and see what happens.

GT-Rs were never really light cars. But that takes ABSOLUTELY NOTHING away from the fact that this thing has almost shattered Porshe's entire stable of cars. No small feat. Porky or not. Like the GT-Rs before it, this thing can and will put on a serious show.

I'm sorry to sound like a fanboi (actually, I'm not feeling the looks of this car), but this thing IS turning in times and numbers. In the end, that's what counts right?

in my opinion the WORST thing about the upcoming GTR are all the 17 year old GranTurismo kids who tote the car as the 2nd coming of Jesus, and sit late at night and masturbate in their parents basement to the GT-R logo.

I know it will be fast - but there are other cars that peak my interest I would rather spend the money on. Would I want one? HELL YES. Would I spend $80K+ on one? Probably not.

In an argument about cars I don't think there can ever be a clear winner, so much is based on personal opinion, preference, and first hand experience. General statements from kids that say "OMGz!!! teh GTR is going to kill EVERYTHING out there, every other car is SHIT except the GTR" piss me off. Take note these are the kids that drive a $1000 riced out civic :)

GT-Rs were never really light cars. But that takes ABSOLUTELY NOTHING away from the fact that this thing has almost shattered Porshe's entire stable of cars. No small feat. Porky or not. Like the GT-Rs before it, this thing can and will put on a serious show.


It's entirely possible that I missed something posted in this thread, but all I have seen are 0-60, 1/4 mile, and a claimed ring time from Nissan, who has lied about ring times before. I don't know if I would go so far as to say it's almost shattered Porsches entire stable.

AWD does wonders for traction and handling...

Yeah, it's fantastic at masking the defficiencies of a sub par driver. Same reason why at the track most will tell you that a STi or EVO makes a hero out of beginner. Point being, it may be easier to drive, but that doesn't make it superior.

You'll get the full benefit of AWD from stoplight to stoplight accleration. Once you're moving, no benefit, imo.

you can hide weight by heaping more hp and tq. but you cannot escape physics when it comes to driving dynamics. I bet the Elise will school this GTR around Col de Turini.
that is why cars these days are getting more powerful - to offset its increased weight.

Im sure if Nissan wants to they can engineer something like Elise, or even better.

but they did not choose that route. gotta be a reason.

Just wait until the car is release. then we'll see.

Cuz what we're doing now is "Guess"

impractical pure light weight sports cars dont sell. practicality sells.

its going to be known as a big hp street car like the supra.
it wont take long before 700hp or 1000+hp GT-Rs are common place terrorizing public roads. Good modding potential and advanced AWD technology will probably make it out perform just about anything on the road including the Z06 in terms of handling and acceleration for the average joe drivers. I have a feeling that like the R32,R33 and R34 GT-Rs, the majority of them on the road wont be stock.

Im not a track warrior, so this appeals to me more than a lot of other pure sports cars. but if I am shopping at that price point ill be seriously considering a M5. :)

As always, I can afford one, but I will NOT get it unless it has the MT option !

impractical pure light weight sports cars dont sell. practicality sells.

its going to be known as a big hp street car like the supra.
it wont take long before 700hp or 1000+hp GT-Rs are common place terrorizing public roads. Good modding potential and advanced AWD technology will probably make it out perform just about anything on the road including the Z06 in terms of handling and acceleration for the average joe drivers. I have a feeling that like the R32,R33 and R34 GT-Rs, the majority of them on the road wont be stock.

Im not a track warrior, so this appeals to me more than a lot of other pure sports cars. but if I am shopping at that price point ill be seriously considering a M5. :)

Agreed, for a road cruiser the GTR will be a great car and on par with the new M3 in price. And I'm sure it will be a great track car also. I guess maybe I'm a bit more of a purist when it comes to chassis architecture and drivetrains...so this doesn't hit the mark for me...and I could care less about 700 or 1000bhp. I'd probably kill myself at the track with that much power.

haha regarding manual transmission, i used to think the same way, but since I graduated last year... 1 year of driving a 6mt around the stop and go washington DC beltway (2nd worst traffic in the nation) tend to change your mind about manual :p

This thing is a beast, how you go wrong with something as fast or faster than a 911 Turbo for under 80k?

Edmunds has two stories up on itt oday, worth a read.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=123067
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=123066

haha regarding manual transmission, i used to think the same way, but since I graduated last year... 1 year of driving a 6mt around the stop and go washington DC beltway (2nd worst traffic in the nation) tend to change your mind about manual :p

NYC aint that better you know.

I have to stuck in traffic every day at LEAST 1.5 hours.

I'd have to be VERY VERY lucky to be able to go to work/school without traffic.

"The centerpiece of the interior is a multifunction display in the dash that Nissan tells us was developed in conjunction with Polyphony Digital, the same company that developed the Gran Turismo video games for the Sony PlayStation.
The centerpiece of the interior is a multifunction display in the dash that Nissan tells us was developed in conjunction with Polyphony Digital, the same company that developed the Gran Turismo video games for the Sony PlayStation."

lol

And the 8 can school a Z06 in an auto-x.


No it can't.

This thread is priceless. It has so many of the things we love to see on the Internet.

First you have the comparison of the STi and the Z06 because the STi happened to beat the Z06 on one track on one day under some shady circumstances.

Next we have the linguistics war over the meaning of "automatic" and "manual". It's incomprehensible to me that someone can somehow say that a more appropriate definition for "automatic" is "contains a torque converter" than "it shifts by itself". I'm all for these new cars getting DSG-like transmissions as I'm a big fan, but if it means we have to get into these discussions over terminology everytime I think I may start hitting people in the face with giant dictionaries.

Next we have people discussing the modability of a car that 99% of us cannot afford even in stock trim.

Next we have the magazine racing of track times from unofficial/unreliable sources in some odd attempt to prove what the bestest, most fastar car is!1!!

And then finally, we have me who sits in judgment of all you silly n00bs mocking you for wasting your time on the Internet with trivial pursuits. The irony of course being I am sitting here, doing the very same thing.

Good times.

^^^ :) some lap times for relatively powered cars


C6 Corvette Z06 7:42.99 by Jan Magnussen - 160.207 km/h
Ford GT 7:42 - 160.519 km/h
Porsche 997 Turbo 7:40 - 161.217 km/h
Bugatti 16/4 Veyron 7:40 - 7:40 - 161.217 km/h
Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren 7:40 by Klaus Ludwig - 161.217 km/h
997 Porche GT3 7:39 - 161.575 km/h
Nissan GT-R 7:38 by Suzuki
Porsche Carrera GT 7:28 - 166.652 km/h -

its pretty darn impressive and speak a lot about of the engineering and fine tuning.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=123066#38

I notice the GT-R time is the only one without a calculated track speed. Where did you get that number from? The autoblog article said it could do 7:44 with most times coming in the 7:55-7:58 range.

I notice the GT-R time is the only one without a calculated track speed. Where did you get that number from? The autoblog article said it could do 7:44 with most times coming in the 7:55-7:58 range.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=123066#38

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/09/25/but-wait-theres-more-nissan-gt-r-at-the-ring-gunning-for-th/

As always, I can afford one

Don't you live with mommy and daddy?

Yeah, it's fantastic at masking the defficiencies of a sub par driver. Same reason why at the track most will tell you that a STi or EVO makes a hero out of beginner. Point being, it may be easier to drive, but that doesn't make it superior.

You'll get the full benefit of AWD from stoplight to stoplight accleration. Once you're moving, no benefit, imo.


Yes...what he said...RWD makes for learning how to drive better...AWD makes for stupid fast feel-like-a-hero driving...when I had my STi with Zeal coilovers I could take right turns like a ninja but I still suck at driving fast on the track!

BIG discrepancy between the alleged 7:38 and "...But Mizuno suggested the GT-R could get anywhere from 7:44 on up, with most laps coming in between 7:55 and 7:58". Who's right? 3800 pound car with "only" 470 hp is not turning almost 997 GT2 lap times; 7:38 is smoke and mirrors.

Nice try by the G35 fans here to refute the just-under-8 minute-mark numbers, btw.

the two sources could both be right, best lap vs whats normally expected. no one is refuting any numbers. in the edmunds article they said earlier this year it was running 15 seconds behind the 911 turbo, they are constantly tweeking it and improving it. who knows when the qoutes were from?

im just qouting from a reputable source, edmunds which is a lot more reputable than some random hater on the internet trying to make a conflict out of nothing :) by your logic who thinks power and weight is everything. i suppose the 1000hp veyron should be crushing everyone due to its superior power to weight ratio :uhh:

I read it was 7:35!

Calling b.s. on fantasy land 'ring times hardly makes one a random hater; posting thousands of times on a board which you're not even an owner makes one a random parent's-basement-dwelling dork, however.

As for your Veyron and power to weight logic, there's only so much you can do to defy the laws of physics and 2 tons+ is hard to make a pure sportcar crusher out of. I'm surprised with all the auto racing video games you play you haven't figured that out yet. Oh yeah, almost forgot a :) to match yours.

ok, whatever you say dude, soo much hate.
but you vs edmunds.com, i chose to believe edmunds for now. :)

posting thousands of times on a board which you're not even an owner makes one a random parent's-basement-dwelling dork, however.


It's always the ones that have no real arguments that go for the personal attacks. Thank for proving yourself a douche. At least the rest of us make an effort to speak English.

Now back on topic... I WANT! (Not that I can afford it as yet... Maybe with the bonus a couple years from now.. assuming the market doesn't take a dive :lol2: )

Another thing I just realized... Now that the Skyline will be sold on the US market, its exclusivity factor will go down quite a bit... Still not as common as a Vette or a Porsche (at least for a couple years...). But seeing one on the road two years from now is definitely not going to be as sexy anymore.... DOH :spank:

It's always the ones that have no real arguments that go for the personal attacks. Thank for proving yourself a douche. At least the rest of us make an effort to speak English.
Has the previous poster retained counsel already? Or are you just some nitpicking prick english teacher?

As for arguing, nope. I'll speak for myself and simply say I doubt the 7 minute 30 something second claims given what the competition has to pare weight down to in order to achieve like-kind times. I'll admit I'm more and more intrigued by the GT-R though, and am curious as to what the car's actual track time will be. Also curious about how Nissan expects a fair amount of people to walk into showrooms with $80,000+ checks in hand; and along with that doubt comes the realistic glimmer of hope that there may be serious discounts sometime after its 1st year of production, pending a test drive that proves this car doesn't share ride and handling characteristics with the Z/G, of course.

I dont like the looks of the car, it is too heavy if the JDM weight 3,800 lbs the us spec car will come close to the 4,000lbs mark, love the HP and the exhaust tail pipes

I dont believe the performance they are claiming, I will wait till some independent tests

This is still a pre-production car, remember the rx-8 runing the same time as an NXS around laguna seca?

It's always the ones that have no real arguments that go for the personal attacks. Thank for proving yourself a douche. At least the rest of us make an effort to speak English.

Now back on topic... I WANT! (Not that I can afford it as yet... Maybe with the bonus a couple years from now.. assuming the market doesn't take a dive :lol2: )

Another thing I just realized... Now that the Skyline will be sold on the US market, its exclusivity factor will go down quite a bit... Still not as common as a Vette or a Porsche (at least for a couple years...). But seeing one on the road two years from now is definitely not going to be as sexy anymore.... DOH :spank:

thanks, all he does is make personal attacks, don't even bother to step down to hes level.

Due to its cost it probably wont be too common. I think it looks good, but not that great. but the previous iterations of GT-Rs never really looked that good either, they are more in the evo and wrx school of philosophy.

I dont believe the performance they are claiming, I will wait till some independent tests

manufacturer estimate are usually conservative, historically especially for the GT-R. I dont think its hard to believe considering when the 911 turbo with SMG weighing in at 3572lb according to yahoo autos making 480hp does 0-60 in 3.4s and quarter mile in 11.6s, at 200lb more the GT-R being .1 second behind the 911 turbo seems plausible.

as for the nurburgring time, the z06 has 505hp weighing in at 3132lb according to yahoo, thats 25 more hp and more than 400lb lighter than the 911 turbo, yet the 911 turbo is 3 seconds faster 7:40s vs 7:43s. apparently theres more to track time than just simple hp and weight.

but well see when more tests come out

3800 hp, 470 hp, 3.5 0-60, 7:35 ring lap. Something in this equation sounds fishy.

I want to see The Stig take a lap in stock trim on Top Gear.

manufacturer estimate are usually conservative, historically especially for the GT-R. I dont think its hard to believe considering when the 911 turbo with SMG weighing in at 3572lb according to yahoo autos making 480hp does 0-60 in 3.4s and quarter mile in 11.6s, at 200lb more the GT-R being .1 second behind the 911 turbo seems plausible.

as for the nurburgring time, the z06 has 505hp weighing in at 3132lb according to yahoo, thats 25 more hp and more than 400lb lighter than the 911 turbo, yet the 911 turbo is 3 seconds faster 7:40s vs 7:43s. apparently theres more to track time than just simple hp and weight.

but well see when more tests come out

nissan has always embellished of the lap times of the GTR cars saying they were quicker then they were, however, they've been conservative about the power of the vehicle and its potential, we'll see with this new one. Regarding the 911 turbo, porshe uses slicks for the ring, Chevy used a stock zo6, with the stupid run flats it comes with...my bet is that number would be better with slicks

also, please stop calling it a skyline or an R35, the GTR is now a seperate entity from the Nissan Skyline (aka Infiniti G35/G37) which has been here since 03

The G35 is a piece of that brown stuff that floats about in the toilet bowl.

It was never, and will never be, a Skyline.

GTR is awesome. In about 10 year's time....

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/2303000-2303999/2303904_1_full.jpg


while a 911 Turbo....

http://www.abmotor.pt/imgveiculos/305049PORSCHE%20911%20TURBO%20(1995)%20Preto%2002. jpg

As you see, the Skyline or whatever you want to call it just doesn't age well.

So you see, in 10 year's time even your mother's Camry sport will sport 400hp. :)

The G35 is a piece of that brown stuff that floats about in the toilet bowl.

It was never, and will never be, a Skyline.

You clearly have no freaking clue what you're talking about and don't know anything about the history of the Skyline outside of what you learned from Gran Turismo.

You clearly have no freaking clue what you're talking about and don't know anything about the history of the Skyline outside of what you learned from Gran Turismo.

agreed, it has Always ALways been a skyline.
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Yes the V35 and V36 (VQxxDD, VQxxDE, VQxxHR) were sold under the Skyline name. However in my mind they never lived up to the legacy... There was no GT-R model. And most of the Japanese shops pretty much ignored these cars...

Earlier this year I was in Tokyo I saw a police car with "Skyline" written across the back instead of "G35". Was I in shock and awe? No, cos the car is really nothing special... Looks more like some luxury sedan than a true sports car... The same week I was in Hong Kong and saw two different R34's fly by me on two separate occasions. Now those were exciting encounters, you could hear the car coming from a mile away.

The Skyline was never meant to be a tame car. Seeing a G35 bounce around on the highway the only logical conclusion I can come to is that its suspension is made of cheese. The car is a turd.

And what is it with you people? Your only refrain seems to be that anyone who talks shit about any car is a kid living in his parents' basement and whose knowledge of cars is limited to Gran Turismo... Rather than insult me, either give me facts or get a life. Not to mention that GT4 had a pretty good amount of Skyline models including some of the classic ones.

delhi: Nice choice on the R32... Rumor has it they were built to make something like 400-500hp and then tuned way down... Although in about 10 more years that car will be over 20 years old :lol:

The Skyline has always had very tame versions, in fact the V35 Skyline is s step up from most previous versions of the Skyline. For instance you could get a whopping 140hp R34GT Sedan or if you wanted to go all out there was the 25GT-V with 193hp. No, there was not a V35 GT-R, but the car as a whole was a step up from most of the previous non GT-R Skylines.

Read and learn...

http://history.jbskyline.net/

t-25 hours and counting
http://www.gtrnissan.com/?Site=nissanusa&Area=GT-R_Home

I note that the V3x cars are conspicuously absent from the "official" timeline...

Think they will let me test drive one if I pull up in the 8? :lol2:

I note that the V3x cars are conspicuously absent from the "official" timeline...


Brilliant, now if you were only smart enough to figure out that they are only showing GT-R versions. Kooky, considering the new car is a GT-R...

this thread is full of champions....sti smokes z06, rx8 smokes z06, yet-to-be-sold car smokes z06. quite the collection of professional magazine racers. respek.

IIRC the G35 are known as Skyline GT350 or some sorts in Nippon no? It is the company that determines the model name. So in this case like the STi, it is an Impreza. Therefore those G35/GT350 are Skylines.... not GT-R. Doesn't bother me until I see hokey JDM fanbois pasting Skyline badges on their Infinitis.... quite lame.

http://carview-img7.bmcdn.jp/carlife/images/UserCarPhoto/648863/p1.jpg

wolverine, whats the oficial weight for the JDM GT-R?

If that is the price I'm seeing ($7,770,000) that's about 69K in US. Not to bad but still out of my budget.

wolverine, whats the oficial weight for the JDM GT-R?
About 3800lbs?
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/6978/p1ip0.jpg

BTW check out the date at the top.

http://carview-img7.bmcdn.jp/carlife/images/UserCarPhoto/648863/p1.jpg

a little more...

1740 kilograms = 3836.04336 pounds


http://www.spacetoday.org/Photography/Pigs/Pigtures/PigOutOften.jpg

regardless of what anyone says, this car is pure ownage, and in about 10 years, it will still be pwnage and would probably be modded to 2k +whp

I feel that the GT-R coming stateside is a great thing. If the published reports are correct IT WILL GIVE THE Z06 a run for it's money. People, you know you would all take one in a second. If you think about it, it's alike like are 8's, in that it's a pure sports car with a back seat! Bravo Nissan! Now if Mazda could muster up a Twin Turbo all-wheel drive RX8! HMMM sounds good to me!

it's a pure sports car with a back seat! Bravo Nissan!

no, its not.

Now if Mazda could muster up a Twin Turbo all-wheel drive RX8! HMMM sounds good to me!

:puke:

If I wanted AWD, I would have got an EVO or STi.

looks like corvette is not wasting any time

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=129534

looks like corvette is not wasting any time

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=129534

It can't be fast. Haven't you heard, it is a piece of American crap!!!!!!!

It can't be fast. Haven't you heard, it is a piece of American crap!!!!!!!

WHAT??? BUT ITS GOT HOOD SCOOPS!

regardless of what anyone says, this car is pure ownage, and in about 10 years, it will still be pwnage and would probably be modded to 2k +whp

I'm personally interested to see what the aftermarket does for this car. Everybody thinks this car is going to be very tuner friendly but the VQ series up until now really hasnt been that great, granted this a different kind of beast but perhaps this car is closer to being maxed out then people think....just something to think about.

I'm personally interested to see what the aftermarket does for this car. Everybody thinks this car is going to be very tuner friendly but the VQ series up until now really hasnt been that great, granted this a different kind of beast but perhaps this car is closer to being maxed out then people think....just something to think about.

If someone can get 1200whp out of a 4g63 I don't think they're going to have any troubles extracting at least a few hundred more horsepower out of the new Nissan engine.

If someone can get 1200whp out of a 4g63 I don't think they're going to have any troubles extracting at least a few hundred more horsepower out of the new Nissan engine.

I agree with you for the most part but its not like the VQ's have made alot of power before, the most I normally see is around 600 but I believe a few have hit 700. If they can only extract a a couple more hundred from the GTR thats really not that impressive, twin turbos on a z06, or a huge single on a supra and you're well over 1100 horspower and thats going to roast a GTR, even one thats been modified.

I agree with you for the most part but its not like the VQ's have made alot of power before, the most I normally see is around 600 but I believe a few have hit 700. If they can only extract a a couple more hundred from the GTR thats really not that impressive, twin turbos on a z06, or a huge single on a supra and you're well over 1100 horspower and thats going to roast a GTR, even one thats been modified.

This is a FFI car which means you can't really compare it to previous VQ engines. It would be like me saying an Evo doesn't have potential because the base Lancer doesn't have much potential.

If someone can get 1200whp out of a 4g63 I don't think they're going to have any troubles extracting at least a few hundred more horsepower out of the new Nissan engine.

you're not talking about a stock block 4g63 at that point nor one with a very useable power band outside of a dyno.

You can make a piss load of horsepower on ANY block that you can take down to just the bare block and put in forged low compression rotating assemblies. At that points its only as much a 4g63 or vq37dett as you will get the OE engine computer to control it.

1) its not a VQ, the VR38 shares very little parts with the VQ series
2) theres a huge difference between factory turbo engines vs na engines, turbo engines are designed to be sturdy to handle high boost while na engines are designed to be light to rev high and thus not sturdy and cant handle high boost. its extremely expensive and cost prohibitive to rebuild an engine. Im not sure but i highly doubt a twin turbo z06 can make 1000whp without having to rebuild the internals.
3) just about all factory turbo engines are made to be sturdy and have great aftermarket potential.

spend enough money and you can make almost any engine make 1000+whp, 4 cylinder race cars used to make over 1000hp via forced induction. after market potential refers to being able to pick up huge gains with relatively small amount of money invested. something just about all factory FI cars share.

1) its not a VQ, the VR38 shares very little parts with the VQ series
2) theres a huge difference between factory turbo engines vs na engines, turbo engines are designed to be sturdy to handle high boost while na engines are designed to be light to rev high and thus not sturdy and cant handle high boost. its extremely expensive and cost prohibitive to rebuild an engine. Im not sure but i highly doubt a twin turbo z06 can make 1000whp without having to rebuild the internals.
3) just about all factory turbo engines are made to be sturdy and have great aftermarket potential.

so you are telling me GM is casting different blocks for the FI ecotec motors found in pontiac solstice GXP than the NA ecotec motors found in the base solstice?

1) its not a VQ, the VR38 shares very little parts with the VQ series
2) theres a huge difference between factory turbo engines vs na engines, turbo engines are designed to be sturdy to handle high boost while na engines are designed to be light to rev high and thus not sturdy and cant handle high boost. its extremely expensive and cost prohibitive to rebuild an engine. Im not sure but i highly doubt a twin turbo z06 can make 1000whp without having to rebuild the internals.
3) just about all factory turbo engines are made to be sturdy and have great aftermarket potential.

so you are telling me GM is casting different blocks for the FI ecotec motors found in pontiac solstice GXP than the NA ecotec motors found in the base solstice?

you are going to have a very hard time finding any motor that will handle 1000hp on all factory internals, including the motor that comes in the GT-R. There is no magic to the motor building process because it comes with a turbo from the factory.

1) its not a VQ, the VR38 shares very little parts with the VQ series

Didn't know this, thanks for the clarification. Everything I had read, heard and looked into I thought showed a VQ38, essentially a boared out 36 with the other essential upgrades for boost.
My point was when you fully build the other VQs they still don't really perform overly well so my concern was this GTR was potentially close to it's max but if it's a completely different engine essentially this may not be an issue...no 6 speed still kills it though.

so you are telling me GM is casting different blocks for the FI ecotec motors found in pontiac solstice GXP than the NA ecotec motors found in the base solstice?

you are going to have a very hard time finding any motor that will handle 1000hp on all factory internals, including the motor that comes in the GT-R. There is no magic to the motor building process because it comes with a turbo from the factory.

we will see, i doubt it can hit 1000+whp on stock internals too since it dosnt have an iron block, but the point is, being factory turbo usually indicate that modding potential will be high. Theres bound to be a few hundred more whp to be picked up on the cheap on factory internals.
i dont know much about the ecotec motor, but i doubt its using the same stock internals as the regular version, but if the boost is real low it might. its hard to say, but for GT-R's case the internals is especially designed to be an FI engine. its no magic, but the design philosophy is usually different and stresses differnt things.
the twin turbo supra engine definetly uses differnt parts compared to the NA engine in the regular supra and is300, same goes for the bmw 335.. its not just the regular 3,0l internals found in the 328 and 325 and 330

you're not talking about a stock block 4g63 at that point nor one with a very useable power band outside of a dyno.

You can make a piss load of horsepower on ANY block that you can take down to just the bare block and put in forged low compression rotating assemblies. At that points its only as much a 4g63 or vq37dett as you will get the OE engine computer to control it.

No, but I don't recall saying anything about a stock block. However, it's not like there haven't been plenty of sub 10 sec. 4g63's with stock blocks. And yes, it is usable, to the point of making a car run the 1/4 mile faster than 99%+ of Renesis' can run the 1/8th mile in.

There are good engines to start with if you want to make big power, and there are bad ones. The 4g63 would be a good one, and the VR38 will probably be a good one as well.

Didn't know this, thanks for the clarification. Everything I had read, heard and looked into I thought showed a VQ38, essentially a boared out 36 with the other essential upgrades for boost.
My point was when you fully build the other VQs they still don't really perform overly well so my concern was this GTR was potentially close to it's max but if it's a completely different engine essentially this may not be an issue...no 6 speed still kills it though.

fully rebuilding a VQ is tricky, its a complex engine with hundreds of moving parts, its not just a matter of having a strong block and rods and heads etc, having so many parts, any part can end up being a weak-link. its hard to expect the aftermarket to have the level of engineering expertise and familiarity with such a complex engine to be able to replace everything to handle high boost. the VR38 on the other hand is designed from the get-go to with high boost in mind.

eitherway, just a 3 hours before tokyo auto show starts

the gt-r website has a countdown thing... they sent an email saying you can watch the unveiling live, but not sure if the countdown is just till the show or unveil... both maybe?

Official GT-R TMS 2007 REVEAL THREAD!!! OPEN for BUSINESS!!!!!!!

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Engine
• VR-series twin-turbocharged 3.8-liter V6.
• 480 hp @ 6,800 rpm. 430 lb-ft torque @ 3,200–5,200 rpm.
• Dual overhead camshafts with variable intake-valve timing.
• Cast aluminum cylinder block with high-endurance/low-friction plasma-sprayed bores.
• IHI twin turbochargers, one per cylinder bank.
• Pressurized lubrication system with thermostatically controlled cooling.
Drivetrain
• ATTESA ET-S All-Wheel Drive (AWD) with independent rear-mounted transaxle integrating transmission, differential and AWD transfer case.
• Rigid, lightweight carbon-composite driveshaft between engine and transaxle.
• Electronic traction control plus 1.5-way mechanically locking rear differential.
• Vehicle Dynamics Control (VDC-R) with three driver-selectable settings: Normal (for daily driving, controls brakes and engine output), R-Mode (for ultimate performance, utilizes AWD torque distribution for additional vehicle stability) and Off (driver does not want the help of the system).
• Hill Start Assist prevents rollback when starting on an incline.
DisclaimerVDC-R cannot prevent accidents due to abrupt steering, carelessness, or dangerous driving techniques. Always drive safely.

Transmission
• 6-speed Dual Clutch Transmission with three driver-selectable modes: Normal (for maximum smoothness and efficiency), Snow (for gentler starting and shifting on slippery surfaces), and R mode (for maximum performance with fastest shifts).
• Fully automatic shifting or full sequential manual control via gearshift or steering wheel-mounted paddle shifters.
• Dual clutch design changes gears in less than 0.5 second (0.2 second in R mode).
• Downshift Rev Matching (DRM).
• Predictive pre-shift control (in R mode) based on throttle position, vehicle speed, braking and other information.
Wheels and Tires
• 20 x 9.5" (front) and 20 x 10.5" (rear) super-lightweight forged-aluminum wheels with Gunmetal Gray finish.
• Exclusively developed nitrogen-filled Bridgestone® RE070A high-capacity run-flat summer tires, 255/40R20 front and 285/35R20 rear.
• Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS).
• Optional exclusively developed nitrogen-filled Dunlop® run-flat all-season tires, 255/40R20 front and 285/35R20 rear (includes Bright Silver wheels).
Brakes
• Brembo® 4-wheel disc brakes with 4-wheel Antilock Braking System (ABS), Brake Assist, Electronic Brakeforce Distribution and Preview Braking.
• Two-piece floating-rotor 15-inch front and rear discs with diamond-pattern internal ventilation.
• 6-piston front/4-piston rear monoblock calipers.
Steering
• Rack-and-pinion steering with vehicle-speed-sensitive power assist.
• 2.6 steering-wheel turns lock-to-lock.
Suspension
• 4-wheel independent suspension with Bilstein® DampTronic system with three driver-selectable modes: Normal/Sport (for automatic electronic control of damping), Comfort (for maximum ride comfort), and R mode (engages maximum damping rate for high-performance cornering).
• Electronically controlled variable-rate shock absorbers. High-accuracy progressive-rate coil springs.
• Front double-wishbone/rear multi-link configuration with aluminum members and rigid aluminum subframes.
• Hollow front and rear stabilizer bars.
Body/Chassis
• Exclusive Premium Midship platform with jig-welded hybrid unibody.
• Aluminum hood, trunk and door skins. Die-cast aluminum door structures.
• Carbon-reinforced front crossmember/radiator support.
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Standard Features

Exterior
• Wide-beam headlights with High Intensity Discharge (HID) low beams.
• LED taillights and brake lights.
• Dual heated power mirrors.
• Flush-mounted aluminum door handles.
• Body-color rear spoiler with integrated center high-mounted stop light.
• UV-reducing tinted glass.
Audio/Navigation/Performance Monitor
• Digital Bose® audio system with AM/FM/in-dash 6-CD changer and 11 speakers including dual subwoofers.
• HDD Music Box system, including hard drive with 9.4 GB for audio storage.
• MP3, WMA and DVD audio capable. In-dash Compact Flash card reader.
• HDD-based GPS navigation with touch screen.
• Driver-configurable performance monitor, developed with Sony® Polyphony, with graphical readouts of vehicle data and driving data displayed on a total of 11 screens.
• 7-inch WVGA high-resolution color-LCD display for audio, navigation and performance monitor.
Interior
• Automatic Temperature Control (ATC).
• Electronic analog instrument cluster with multi-function trip computer and digital gear indicator.
• Power front windows with one-touch auto-up/down feature.
• Intelligent Key system with pushbutton start. Power door locks.
• Cruise control.
• Tilt/telescoping steering column.
• Bluetooth® Hands-free phone system with voice recognition.
Seating/Appointments
• Leather upholstered front seats with perforated Alcantara inserts.
• 8-way power front seats with entry/exit switch for rear-seat passengers.
• Driver-shaped bucket seat.
• Dual individual rear seats.
• Heated front seats.
• Leather-wrapped steering wheel and shift knob.
• Drilled aluminum pedals.
Safety/Security
• Nissan Advanced Air Bag System (AABS) with dual-stage supplemental front air bags, seat belt sensors and occupant-classification sensor.
• Driver and front-passenger side-impact supplemental air bags and roof-mounted curtain supplemental air bags.
• Front seat belts with pretensioners and load limiters.
• Nissan Vehicle Immobilizer System.
• Vehicle Security System.
DisclaimerPlease keep in mind that air bags are a supplemental system and must be used in conjunction with a seat belt. Never let children 12 and under ride in this vehicle unless the front passenger air bag on/off switch has been installed. Side air bags and side curtain air bags are designed to inflate in higher severity side collisions and inflate on the side of the vehicle impacted. Please see your owner's manual for more details. Inflated air bags shown for illustration purposes only. Actual air bags deflate after deployment.
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TOKYO (Oct. 24, 2007) - Nissan Motor Co., Ltd., today announced the launch of the Nissan GT-R, a new multi-dimensional performance machine that lives up to the concept of “an ultimate supercar for anyone, anywhere, at anytime”. The Nissan GT-R features a newly developed Premium Midship package, including the world’s first independent transaxle 4WD developed independently by Nissan. The Nissan GT-R will be available in Japan mainly through Nissan High Performance Centers nationwide from December 6th.

The Nissan GT-R was developed with a new understanding and appreciation of the Earth’s natural forces – gravity, inertial force and aerodynamics – and translates those forces into a completely new design, maximizing tire grip and airflow.

Basic vehicle dynamics and integration with the driver have also been examined, resulting in new componentry and creating a Human-Machine Interface (HMI) never seen before in the marketplace. All of these theories have been integrated to balance “speed and efficiency,” “high-output with environmental consideration” and “high performance and safety.”

Taking these factors into account, Nissan created the all-new Nissan GT-R, which offers advanced high performance for secure and enjoyable driving by minimizing the effects of climatic, road condition or driving technique limitations. The Nissan GT-R offers ultimate performance for virtually every driving situation – whether it be the Nurburgring circuit, to snow, rain or urban areas – all manageable by the GT-R driver through advanced technology and driving dynamics.

The Nissan GT-R’s unique characteristics are instilled not just in the vehicle’s design, but also through a specialized production process. Carbon fiber, aluminum and steel components are assembled with a special high-precision process, which includes a series of vibration tests. Engines and transmissions are assembled by a single craftsman in a “clean room” environment and upon completion, every GT-R undergoes a battery of comprehensive tests to ensure the proper operation of all vehicle components.

To properly support the all-new GT-R, Nissan has established special Nissan High Performance Centers, where all certified advisors and technicians have received extensive training. Total support for the GT-R owner is offered for the first three years of ownership, including measurement and adjustment of the engine, transmission and wheel alignment after the first 1000 km, and again every 12 months, free of charge.

Packaging and Driveline Suited for a Supercar
The all-new Nissan GT-R uses a Premium Midship package, an all-new, more advanced version Front Midship (FM) package utilized on other Nissan vehicles. This new package enables the use of the world’s first application of an independent transaxle 4WD system. The transaxle’s layout places the dual-clutch transmission, transfer case and final drive at the rear of the vehicle (instead of the usual front location), which enables vehicle weight to be evenly distributed throughout the car. This gives the Nissan GT-R a superb front-to-rear weight balance, while enhancing leg and foot space and allowing for an optimal pedal layout.

Under the hood, the Nissan GT-R features an all-new 3.8-litre twin turbo V6 “VR38” engine, featuring plasma-sprayed bores and a special twin-turbo exhaust manifold system. A secondary air management system enables the newly designed powerplant to provide approximately 40kg/m of torque during ordinary low-rev driving, which gives an optimum air-fuel ratio for around-town efficiency and helps the Nissan GT-R meet ultra-low emission vehicle (U-LEV) standards in Japan.

The Nissan GT-R’s new engine produces 480PS (353kW) at 6400rpm and maximum torque of 60kgm (588Nm) from 3200 to 5200rpm. Putting the power to the ground is an all-new GR6-type dual clutch transmission, with paddle shifting and a Borg Warner six-plate dual clutch for direct control.

Suspension duties are handled through a special Bilstein DampTronic*1 system, which utilizes all pertinent vehicle information to provide appropriate damping forces for all situations and helps maintain a high level of control for straight-line driving, cornering, and braking.

Braking is essential for a daily-driven supercar and the GT-R features large Brembo full-floating drilled rotors, low steel high stiffness brake pads and Brembo mono block six-piston front and four-piston rear calipers, which in combination minimize fade and provide stable braking. Run-flat tires, exclusively designed for use on the Nissan GT-R, balance high grip and all-weather capabilities and a comfortable ride in all driving situations. The tires are designed to maintain structure for 80km of travel at 80 km/h, while still providing an acceptable level of performance.

High-Performance Safety and Environmental Technologies
The Nissan GT-R offers a long list of safety and environmental features, including, for enhanced visibility inside and out of the vehicle, high-mounted LED stoplamps, bright LED rear combination taillights, “super wide beam” headlights, heated door mirrors and flat-blade wipers.

Standard safety equipment includes a pop-up engine hood system for enhanced pedestrian safety, driver and front passenger SRS Air Bag System, ELR front seat belts with tension reducer, front seat belts with load limiter, and three-point ELR rear seat belts. Driver and front passenger SRS Side Air Bag System and SRS Curtain Air Bag System are offered as options.

Environmental technologies include extensive work to create an U-LEV certification in Japan for the 3.8-liter twin turbo engine and reduced levels of volatile organic compound for materials used in the car.

Functional Design – High Performance Aerodynamics and Style
The Nissan GT-R’s styling follows the function over form theory. Every styling aspect, from the overall design to the smallest details, is created to maximize the vehicle’s driving experience – as well as suggesting GT-R’s “supercar” level of performance. Utilizing advanced aerodynamics, the Nissan GT-R’s aggressive styling evokes the lines of a well-trained athlete, combining strong character lines with smooth and solid areas.

The all-new GT-R’s body is created with a combination of steel, carbon fiber and aluminum, providing a unique combination of stiffness and lightness. The Nissan GT-R features a low coefficient of drag of 0.27, with high front and rear downforce, which provides the GT-R with enhanced grip in all weather situations, while also enhancing fuel efficiency.

The front fenders express power and stability, while the “aero-blades” on the fenders’ leading edges provide optimum airflow around the tires and along the body. The scoop in the fenders’ trailing edges assists in providing front downforce and optimization of side airflow. The aggressive front end, with a large hood budge and single air intake, provides a sophisticated style as well as undisturbed airflow for power and cooling. New “super wide beam” headlights feature three additional sub-reflectors (compared to conventional lights) to give a wider spread to the illumination area.

The Nissan GT-R’s large, four-passenger cabin features a sloping “aero blade canopy” roofline and curved C-pillar “sword edge,” which expresses the distinctive GT-R identity, as well as facilitating air flow around the rear of the vehicle. The GT-R’s hallmark four-ring taillights, efficient rear spoiler and large, integrated φ120 exhaust tips, provides the signature rear view of the GT-R, as well as optimizing airflow along the top and under the vehicle

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