I know you guys from Mazda of North America come to this site, so listen up if your reading this! Saw last night in the latest issue of R&T the new refreshed Z and the new Supra(once dead in June) now is going to be a reality! Both of these cars for '08/09 model years are going to be boasting 350HP for 30K dollars! Mazda get your head out your ASS!!!! Wake up!

Now that you accomplished to bring out a Speed 3, 6, Miata/Mx-5 ....focus on the 8! Rotary enthusiast are dieing for a performance rotary! Either scrap the 8 and bring out the 7 again, or bring us a Speed 8! Time is running out , and the competition is taking it up a notch by next year this time.

I love my 8 , and i am not one to complain about the Hp in this car, but this is rediculious Mazda, your treating the 8 as some bastard car! Yes its a niche car and not the bread and butter halo car that brings in alot of money, but this is a car that is looked upon by many enthusiast of the world! Do something....make some changes .....and fast!

I am only loyal to cars that stir the soul, not to manufactures......all i know by late '08, i know what will be parking next to my 8 in my garage , and it definitely won't be another Mazda.......Wake Up! :mad:

i would love to read what you're reading that says the new Supra is going to cost $30k.

i would love to read what you're reading that says the new Supra is going to cost $30k.

Check your latest Road and track....its all there

interesting...

I still think Ford told Mazda that the next rotary car had to seat 4 and be slower than the Mustang GT. I think Ford is shady like that .

I still think Ford told Mazda that the next rotary car had to seat 4 and be slower than the Mustang GT.
Which is pretty damn slow!

Hahaha!

And two of the doors could not be full size.

All Mazda would need is a 3-rotor renesis... (238hp / 2 rotors) * 3 rotors = 357HP at the crank.

C'mon, that can't be THAT hard!

And a freshening of the interior with real gauges for temp, oil temp, oil pressure, etc. Oh, and a standard double-din stereo setup... Oh and....

Sorry. Got off track there for a second.

Wow you do that math all by yourself skillmaker? ....Its to bad each rotor doesn't automatically produce 119 hp when its added to the basic 1.3 liter setup....if that was the case you wouldn't have 4 rotor N/A engines putting out over 500whp and 3 rotor cosmos throwing down than 300 crank horsepower ;)

I would like to know what engine Toyota would use for a new Supra(which Toyota Japan has said they would not build a new Supra in the forseable future).

Edit: looks like Toyota changed their minds with the 350z sucess.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=7&article_id=3346&page_number=4

Or, you could have a much lighter weight car, which doesn't need 350hp to move it. The Kabura will weigh only 2600lb.....hmmmm

Or, you could have a much lighter weight car, which doesn't need 350hp to move it. The Kabura will weigh only 2600lb.....hmmmmI thought they were shooting for 2400lbs :D:

mazda should finance a personal-trainer for me. If I lose weight, I wont need more HP in my car :)

Mazda has never had a car with 400+ hp and have even admitted to being a company that will not give you the highest horsepower numbers. I'm going to just go out on a limb and say Mazda is going to do nothing about this. I would be absolutely shocked to see them ever produce a car with enough horsepower to compete with those.

A lighter car would be a better option. The last Supras weighed an awful lot. They needed 300 hp. The 300ZX twin turbo was also a heavy car that had 300 hp. It only ran the quarter mile in 15 flat. The n/a version did it in about 15.8. Not a fast car. That's why when the 3rd gen RX-7 came out with 255hp it was so much faster than the 300ZX. It was the lightest of the bunch. At 13.9 it was a screamer. The Supra was still faster though but couldn't touch it in a corner. The NSX at the time was just slower than the RX-7 but upgrades in later years combined with the RX-7's demise in America changed that.

If Mazda ever did try to get a performance car like that, it would be WELL under 3000 lbs and need about 350 hp, a number I still don't see them ever trying to hit in a production car.

At 13.9 it was a screamer.

sidebar: ...and i've seen stock rx7's running as quick as 13.5 :)

I highly doubt that Supra will come in around 30K. If it does, it is not going to have performance along the lines of a 60K sports car.

I hope Mazda is not going to sit around and do nothing. I am sure they are working on something. It may not be rotary though.

They wont just give up the market segment completely, afterall Mazda is about zoom zoom and sports cars!.. I am almost 100% sure that they wont give us something with really high hp.. but with lighter weight that has simliar power to weight ratio of the other grossly overweight japanese sports cars. A 3-rotor with 350hp is overkill, they dont need that much hp, nor could the cost be justified. I think the next gen RX-8 will be a 2-seater, and the Kabura will take over as a 4-seater sports car. Kabura will be priced too cheaply to really make it a halo sports car for Mazda.
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Well . . According to our factory rep the Supra ( which is not allowed to be called a Supra - Once Toyota retires a car, they never use that name again. So if they did, it would be a first ) Will be competing against the new Nissan GT-R, Which is supposed to be closer to the $75k mark. So if you think the new Toyota sports car is only going to run in the $30k range . . you are dreaming. Did you forget how much they were asking for the last supra??? Just like that other thread talking about overbidding the MSRP . . that is what Toyota will be going for. We already have an interest list at my store, and we have a bid (unconfirmed) of $100k over the MSRP to have the FIRST one in Socal.

IIRC correctly, the supra will be badged as a lexus..

im keeping mine reguardless...if i can figure out some way to drop 200lbs off the car and retain stock interior (my girl will kill me if she saw it gutted), maybe race seats, and make 260-300 whp..i would be a very happy camper

im sure an 8speed will come out soon or not at all.. either way, if you are soooo worried then sell your 8 and buy something else.. me.. im gonna go FI with my 8... even the worst FI kit available (which i hear is the greddy..) still makes 260Rwhp with ease....so.. ~290-300 hp at the crank... if you want to see a Fi'ed car.. expect it not to come cheap

Mazda should just make a deal with Lotus and release a new RX-7 as a rebadged Elise with a Renesis.

Mazda has never had a car with 400+ hp and have even admitted to being a company that will not give you the highest horsepower numbers. I'm going to just go out on a limb and say Mazda is going to do nothing about this. I would be absolutely shocked to see them ever produce a car with enough horsepower to compete with those.

A lighter car would be a better option. The last Supras weighed an awful lot. They needed 300 hp. The 300ZX twin turbo was also a heavy car that had 300 hp. It only ran the quarter mile in 15 flat. The n/a version did it in about 15.8. Not a fast car. That's why when the 3rd gen RX-7 came out with 255hp it was so much faster than the 300ZX. It was the lightest of the bunch. At 13.9 it was a screamer. The Supra was still faster though but couldn't touch it in a corner. The NSX at the time was just slower than the RX-7 but upgrades in later years combined with the RX-7's demise in America changed that.

If Mazda ever did try to get a performance car like that, it would be WELL under 3000 lbs and need about 350 hp, a number I still don't see them ever trying to hit in a production car.



Ahhh....Rotary God , you got it wrong.... Twin turbo Z's ran low 14's to high 13's.... N/A Z' with 222Hp ran 15-15.6 flat. I am Z fanatic and previous owner of a TTZ. If a TTZ got that time of 15 flat, the driver sure does suck at driving it.

Lowest time for a stock TTZ is 13.7..... Consistent times anywhere from 13.9-14.4.Anything higher than that is a bad driver or a poor mechanically TTZ.

im sure an 8speed will come out soon or not at all.. either way, if you are soooo worried then sell your 8 and buy something else.. me.. im gonna go FI with my 8... even the worst FI kit available (which i hear is the greddy..) still makes 260Rwhp with ease....so.. ~290-300 hp at the crank... if you want to see a Fi'ed car.. expect it not to come cheap


To me forced inducting an 8 isn't the awnser either.... as i seen times barely squeaking past the 14.5 mark. I was pulling those numbers in my semi stock 2k2 6 speed Maxima with just a Injen Intake and custom exhaust.

Now if the a Turbo got the 8 down to high 12's low 13's , then i would be all over it.

sidebar: ...and i've seen stock rx7's running as quick as 13.5 :)
Well you gotta think of the crappy tires back then and now :)

Ahhh....Rotary God , you got it wrong.... Twin turbo Z's ran low 14's to high 13's.... N/A Z' with 222Hp ran 15-15.6 flat. I am Z fanatic and previous owner of a TTZ. If a TTZ got that time of 15 flat, the driver sure does suck at driving it.

Lowest time for a stock TTZ is 13.7..... Consistent times anywhere from 13.9-14.4.Anything higher than that is a bad driver or a poor mechanically TTZ.
Here are the results. 0-60 1/4 collected through old performance testes.

1989 Nissan 300ZX 7.1 15.5
1990 Nissan 300ZX 7.1 15.5
1990 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 6.5 15.0
1990 Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo 5.6 14.1
1991 Nissan 300ZX 2+2 7.5 15.9
1991 Nissan 300ZX Turbo (auto) 7.0 15.4
1992 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 5.7 14.2
1993 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 5.2 13.8
1994 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 6.0 14.4
1995 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 5.5 13.9


edit: why go through all the mess with turbo's and everything when you can get better aftermarket performance (not saying a Renesis will never reach the performance of a 13b-rew but not anytime soon) with a 13b-rew (or 13b-re) swap?

im keeping mine reguardless...if i can figure out some way to drop 200lbs off the car and retain stock interior (my girl will kill me if she saw it gutted), maybe race seats, and make 260-300 whp..i would be a very happy camper

lol agree with you xdeed. for a while i have been mumbling a thought to my gf that i want to take out the back seats since we do not have any children. after her long stare after i told her that i think ill be keeping the back seats lol. but yah i feel yah xdeed. as for hp 250-280 ill be a happy :)

Well . . According to our factory rep the Supra ( which is not allowed to be called a Supra - Once Toyota retires a car, they never use that name again. So if they did, it would be a first ) Will be competing against the new Nissan GT-R, Which is supposed to be closer to the $75k mark. So if you think the new Toyota sports car is only going to run in the $30k range . . you are dreaming. Did you forget how much they were asking for the last supra??? Just like that other thread talking about overbidding the MSRP . . that is what Toyota will be going for. We already have an interest list at my store, and we have a bid (unconfirmed) of $100k over the MSRP to have the FIRST one in Socal.
See i've read and heard the exact opposite, the new "supra" will not compete agaisnt the gtr, it will be in the $30K range because it will be put up agaisnt the 350z, so it won't be what the MK4 was back in 94-98. The car toyota is putting out that will compete with the gtr is actually going to be a lexus, more of a luxury exotic, kinda' like what the new gtr is, not the racebred car that it once was.

toyota and nissan are trying to compensate for their small *****..... haha, im just kidding, or am i? anyways... dont forget about the nissan gtr!! ive just heard that the mazdaspeed 3 beat a wrx on a track run, beat it by about 10 seconds i heard, im not sure if this is correct but thats impressive if it is..

anyways, i doubt a triple rotor would ever come out in the states due to emissions... a mazdaspeed rx8 i doubt will be turbo, due to the last two versions, just pcm upgrades and suspension upgrades.

See i've read and heard the exact opposite, the new "supra" will not compete agaisnt the gtr, it will be in the $30K range because it will be put up agaisnt the 350z, so it won't be what the MK4 was back in 94-98. The car toyota is putting out that will compete with the gtr is actually going to be a lexus, more of a luxury exotic, kinda' like what the new gtr is, not the racebred car that it once was.

i remember reading about the lexus, that thing is going to be beautiful when it comes out. hopefully itll be coming out with the release of the gtr.

this is what i've read in modifieg mag. superstreet, and sport compact are all saying around the same thing. but hey i could be wrong it's still awhile before any of these cars come out. Hopefully these cars wont be like the last 2 gen eclipses, or the new evo 10 coming out, and still be made in japan and not here.

Well you gotta think of the crappy tires back then and now :)


True - this guy had aftermarket rubber :) AND he was good - he's on this board from time-to-time...user name FastMike :)

Also here is the fastest time that was recorded for the TTZ , go here...
http://www.300zx.cl/usa300zx/turbotea4.jpg

Thats what the new R&T says too. it has changed what it says about the new supra in the november issue. Its say that the Supra will be 30k and have about 350hp and aimed at the Z which will have over 300hp aswell. The LF-A will be the one smoking the skyline and it will be badged a lexus.

Well, with the Rx8 I don't think Mazda is trying to sell a 'fast' sports car. It's trying to sell a rotary sports car. That's who's going to buy these cars. I don't think Mazda cares if you don't buy it, they just care if someone who appreciates rotaries buys it.

I would like to see more power, but if there is, by mazda, I don't think it will be a rotary. :(
And that's what I really want, so....I guess I'm 7 or 8 only. lol
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13.1 sec rx8..turbo.. rear and pass seats taken out :-\ ...still.. quick.

sorry but sounds like more rumor to me, mags have been talking about a new supra for years, i dont see why this time it would be true. First of all, think about how long it takes for a car to go from being announced, to various versions of concepts, to test mule, to final concept, to production. the original official GT-R concept came out god knows how many years ago, same goes for the LF-A. various versions of the Mules have been spotted at Nurburgring for more than 2 years now, after all that and all these versions of concepts both cars are still 2 years away from production coming out in 2009.

If theres a supra coming out in 2009 or even 2010, there would have been official concepts and prototypes popping out a long time ago. We dont have anything from Toyota, sounds to me like more rumors and speculations.

If Toyota does the Supra it needs to be a low 30's car at most. Except for enthusiasts people with 50 large are not buying toyota.

Thats what the new R&T says too. it has changed what it says about the new supra in the november issue. Its say that the Supra will be 30k and have about 350hp and aimed at the Z which will have over 300hp aswell. The LF-A will be the one smoking the skyline and it will be badged a lexus.


Yup, you won't find the info online, its in the magazine.... 30k bucks for a Supra with 350Hp,and goes 0-60in 4.2 sec...3200lbs....Thats going to be a nice sports car to have. What amazes me is that this Supra, if it holds true, will be putting out numbers of an 02/03 E55 AMG with 469HP/516 trq and a 03 Z-06 with 405 HP. Toyota must have some amazing gearing to pull that feat off....

sorry but sounds like more rumor to me, mags have been talking about a new supra for years, i dont see why this time it would be true. First of all, think about how long it takes for a car to go from being announced, to various versions of concepts, to test mule, to final concept, to production. the original official GT-R concept came out god knows how many years ago, same goes for the LF-A. various versions of the Mules have been spotted at Nurburgring for more than 2 years now, after all that and all these versions of concepts both cars are still 2 years away from production coming out in 2009.

If theres a supra coming out in 2009 or even 2010, there would have been official concepts and prototypes popping out a long time ago. We dont have anything from Toyota, sounds to me like more rumors and speculations.


So i guess the refresh Z for 07/08 with its new VQHR motor(315-350HP) is a rumor too..... :rolleyes:

Personally I'm pretty happy with the 8. But if it really came down to it, maybe a drop of 100 lbs and a bump up to 275hp would do nicely.

So i guess the refresh Z for 07/08 with its new VQHR motor(315-350HP) is a rumor too..... :rolleyes:
um you are comparing a refresh vs a totally new car? :dunno:

Since Mazda seems to be against turbocharging the Renesis in production.....the better option would be to lose the rear doors and drop some lbs. High hp #'s are only needed to offset the increasing waistlines of sports cars these days. If the RX8 could drop to the 2500lb range......that would be like having 300hp.

I still think Mazda's best chance at really competing with the 350Z and a Supra-like Toyota product would be to turbo charge that new Duratech 35 they'll be using the 2008 Mazda 6. Because of the joint use between Ford and Mazda on this engine the unit cost is going to be really low.

.... 30k bucks for a Supra with 350Hp,and goes 0-60in 4.2 sec...3200lbs....

I'll believe that when I actually see it.

i don't believe it either... for 30k....

Since Mazda seems to be against turbocharging the Renesis in production.....the better option would be to lose the rear doors and drop some lbs. High hp #'s are only needed to offset the increasing waistlines of sports cars these days. If the RX8 could drop to the 2500lb range......that would be like having 300hp.

I still think Mazda's best chance at really competing with the 350Z and a Supra-like Toyota product would be to turbo charge that new Duratech 35 they'll be using the 2008 Mazda 6. Because of the joint use between Ford and Mazda on this engine the unit cost is going to be really low.



That could work....but correct me if i am wrong, wasn't mazda suppose to come out with a reflash of the ecu to give us the "acclaimed" 250Hp?

i don't believe it either... for 30k....


Ok...so what if it does come out.....lets say 35k... 350HP,3200lbs, pulls that 4.2 sec.... would you buy one? :naughty:

I don't believe a 350bhp, 3200lbs, RWD car will hit 60mph in 4.2 seconds. The numbers don't match, imo.

A C6 Vette, weighs about 3200lbs, and has 400bhp and just barely can get to those numbers, and costs ~$45,000

I cant buy a $35,000 ( more like 50,000 here after tax) toy, a sports car to me is that, simply a toy

I don't believe a 350bhp, 3200lbs, RWD car will hit 60mph in 4.2 seconds. The numbers don't match, imo.

A C6 Vette, weighs about 3200lbs, and has 400bhp and just barely can get to those numbers, and costs ~$45,000


I wonder if Toyota is equipping this car with a tight 7 speed gear box. I think 4.2 is generous though, i can see more 4.5-4.8 with that kind of Hp and weight numbers. 4.2 would be a ringer! Thats true the vette has 400 Hp and it barely eclipses that time of the C5 Z-06 with 405HP.

Autoweek says they are not going to make the Supra.

i think mazda should follow lotus example, make a kabura with a 2.3 lt turbo or a turbo renensis, 2600 lbs and 280 to 300 hp

a power to weight ratio of 8.67 :smoker: all for $25,000- $27,000

12.5 in the 1/4 mile and lapping tsukuba in the 1:03.xxx range

whoa, if mazda had any balls they would do a limitted edition MX-5 with this engine, rx-8 brakes, and better suspension

^ Its not that simple.

^ Its not that simple.

in not sayng its simple if it where I would have my own car company, but mazda has all the parts just put them together

We expect the V-8 Supra to be priced about $50,000. The more affordable Supra (around $40,000) will come with a 3.5-liter V-6, the same powerplant used in the Lexus IS 350 and GS 350, but tuned to produce more power. We're hearing 350 bhp and 275 lb.-ft. of torque.

This makes more sense. I don't see it at being 30k. Maybe 35k. It won't compete with the GT-R, thats for the LF-H.

in not sayng its simple if it where I would have my own car company, but mazda has all the parts just put them together
No.

do you work for mazda?

j/k

Since Mazda seems to be against turbocharging the Renesis in production.....the better option would be to lose the rear doors and drop some lbs. High hp #'s are only needed to offset the increasing waistlines of sports cars these days. If the RX8 could drop to the 2500lb range......that would be like having 300hp.

I still think Mazda's best chance at really competing with the 350Z and a Supra-like Toyota product would be to turbo charge that new Duratech 35 they'll be using the 2008 Mazda 6. Because of the joint use between Ford and Mazda on this engine the unit cost is going to be really low.

It already has 263hp in one intial Ford application... SUV/Crossover I think (read the review in a mag). If they were to FI it... :Eyecrazy:

i read somewhere 265 for it in the new mazda6

Mazda has already said that losing the rear doors for the 8 would cost too much. I've always found that statement weird.

or maybe in relation to the mondeo

Yah, I think Mazda should use the new 3.5L to compete in the hp war with the other japanese companies. To me, the new duratec is superior to the Nissan VQ35, which is very highly rated. I am not sure about the new VQ35HR tho, it seems to be sweet, typical nissan V6s. Mazda's car doesnt have to be a really light weight sports car, 3100lbs with 350+hp would be sweet. Turbocharge the V6 like bascho said. I think Nissan will have a hard time juicing out 100hp/litre in their V6, not impossible, but it might more likely come with ~320hp.

And also use the Kabura to eat into the FWD market where the sales are! cheap lightweight fun to drive RWD coupe.
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Hopefully Mazda has realized the potential of the Kabura whether its piston or rotary. I see a Kabura as my track car. Here is to a 2010-2011 model year release. I will be in a better position to get a new ride :D

I agree with the potential of the Kabura, its been stated too many times on this forum too!, there is no car like it! I think Mazda knows this.
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Why doesn't Mazda make a car to compete with the Elise? Well does the Elise even make money for Lotus?
I can see them matching the weight of the Elise with the Rotary (which I'm assuming is lighter than the Elise/Toyota engine, the MPG of the renesis would need a bigger tank than the Elise.

I do not see Mazda producing a V6 320hp coupe to challenge the 350z or supra. I see them sticking to their own plan of the 6,3,mx-5, and the blacksheep rotary engine rx8.

the MPG of the renesis would need a bigger tank than the Elise.
With ~1000lbs less to move around compared to the RX-8, it probably wounldn't be any worse than the existing engine (24/29mpg).

Mazda has never had a car with 400+ hp and have even admitted to being a company that will not give you the highest horsepower numbers. I'm going to just go out on a limb and say Mazda is going to do nothing about this. I would be absolutely shocked to see them ever produce a car with enough horsepower to compete with those.

A lighter car would be a better option. The last Supras weighed an awful lot. They needed 300 hp. The 300ZX twin turbo was also a heavy car that had 300 hp. It only ran the quarter mile in 15 flat. The n/a version did it in about 15.8. Not a fast car. That's why when the 3rd gen RX-7 came out with 255hp it was so much faster than the 300ZX. It was the lightest of the bunch. At 13.9 it was a screamer. The Supra was still faster though but couldn't touch it in a corner. The NSX at the time was just slower than the RX-7 but upgrades in later years combined with the RX-7's demise in America changed that.

If Mazda ever did try to get a performance car like that, it would be WELL under 3000 lbs and need about 350 hp, a number I still don't see them ever trying to hit in a production car.

Do you just make this stuff up? The 300ZX Turbo was about on par with the RX-7 and was VERY capable of running high 13s and IIRC trapped a little higher than the FD. That Z (along with the 3000GT) was also the car that made Mazda and Toyota have to play catchup and raised the bar for Japanese sportscars from there on out.

The Supra was also a lot better handler than most give it credit for, especially FD owners... It may not be the nimble fun little car the FD was but it was a very capable handler. Watch this for a little proof...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1796683639818272062&q=best+motoring+supra

By MY93 when the FD came out the NSX was capable of running mid 13s in the 1/4, it was capable of that in 91 even though mags got slower times. So no, the FD was not a little faster than the NSX, it was slower.

(edit: sorry for harping on the Z, didn't see others had already pointed it out)

Do you just make this stuff up? The 300ZX Turbo was about on par with the RX-7 and was VERY capable of running high 13s and IIRC trapped a little higher than the FD. That Z (along with the 3000GT) was also the car that made Mazda and Toyota have to play catchup and raised the bar for Japanese sportscars from there on out.

The Supra was also a lot better handler than most give it credit for, especially FD owners... It may not be the nimble fun little car the FD was but it was a very capable handler. Watch this for a little proof...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1796683639818272062&q=best+motoring+supra

By MY93 when the FD came out the NSX was capable of running mid 13s in the 1/4, it was capable of that in 91 even though mags got slower times. So no, the FD was not a little faster than the NSX, it was slower.

NO WAY, the rx-7 was an answer to the nsx, not the 3000gt, the rx-7 out perform the 300zx and the 3000gt, it was also faster than the nsx.

dont belive what you read in the magazines like its the bible or something, back in 93 my brother got and R1 FD and it was much faster than the 300zx and the nsx fron a roll and launching, the supra was faster, this are all stock cars tested the same night on a drag strip with the same drivers changing cars, in fact my fc was as fast as the 300zx or just a bit slower, i did win more races to the 300zx

NO WAY, the rx-7 was an answer to the nsx, not the 3000gt, the rx-7 out perform the 300zx and the 3000gt, it was also faster than the nsx.

dont belive what you read in the magazines like its the bible or something, back in 93 my brother got and R1 FD and it was much faster than the 300zx and the nsx fron a roll and launching, the supra was faster, this are all stock cars tested the same night on a drag strip with the same drivers changing cars, in fact my fc was as fast as the 300zx or just a bit slower, i did win more races to the 300zx

Actually you shouldn't believe what you read in magazines... Nothing from what I said came from Mazgazines. The NSX tested slow in a lot of magazines but when driven properly could run mid 13s, something that wasn't happening with a stock FD. Do you honestly think the FD came out to compete with the NSX rather than the Supra, 300ZXTT, 3000GT? Give me a break!

If you want a fast RX-8 just drop the 2.3L turbo from the MS6 in there and be done with all this rotary nostalgia.

Actually you shouldn't believe what you read in magazines... Nothing from what I said came from Mazgazines. The NSX tested slow in a lot of magazines but when driven properly could run mid 13s, something that wasn't happening with a stock FD. Do you honestly think the FD came out to compete with the NSX rather than the Supra, 300ZXTT, 3000GT? Give me a break!
I agree with you expect witht he Part where you said the FD was not able to run mid 13's. Ive seen FD's run 13.5 flat STOCK, but like you said magazines mightve tested teh cars slow. im sure NSX's time could improve with better drivers (or test conditions) like how the FD improved.

edit: about rotary crazy... well hes just talking out of his... bah nevermind.

If you want a fast RX-8 just drop the 2.3L turbo from the MS6 in there and be done with all this rotary nostalgia.
Keep it rotary and swap in a 13bt or 13b-re/rew. ding ding!

i think mazda should follow lotus example, make a kabura with a 2.3 lt turbo or a turbo renensis, 2600 lbs and 280 to 300 hp

a power to weight ratio of 8.67 :smoker: all for $25,000- $27,000

12.5 in the 1/4 mile and lapping tsukuba in the 1:03.xxx range

whoa, if mazda had any balls they would do a limitted edition MX-5 with this engine, rx-8 brakes, and better suspension

I just heard of a very crazy but interesting new/aricle in the japanese bookstore magazine called "best car"
A new mazdaspeed mx-5 is in the list of possible productions around late 08 or so....with the book rating 50% production probability...wow
The book says that this will fit the same engine as the MSP 3's 2.3 turbo on to the new mx5....wow think of that...but then it's just a 50% of the chance, which is just RUMORED in japan...it'll be a while until anything solid will be heard here...
It was all computer generated, but the car sketch looked GREAT. Same mx5 style, but aggressive body kit...
Again, its all just rumors :Eyecrazy:

Keep it rotary and swap in a 13bt or 13b-re/rew. ding ding! And then what. Travel to Australia or New Zealand for a good tuner. I think the rotary is an excellent platform for a proffesionally maintained and dedicated race car but for a street car, they seem either prone to failure when power is up or prone to mind numbing boredom when power is down. If that weren't the case would the 350ci LS1 swaps into FD RX-7's have become so popular. I know the rotary is the RX-8. I get it. I just think those complaining about power should look at what's making REAL, TUNABLE, STREETABLE power for Mazda right now. That little 2.3L turbo could turn the RX-8 into a serious street monster with even a conservative tune. I would love to see somebody on this board running a 2.3L turbo and a Mazdaspeed body kit. Pure hotness! :rock:

I just heard of a very crazy but interesting new/aricle in the japanese bookstore magazine called "best car"
A new mazdaspeed mx-5 is in the list of possible productions around late 08 or so....with the book rating 50% production probability...wow
The book says that this will fit the same engine as the MSP 3's 2.3 turbo on to the new mx5....wow think of that...but then it's just a 50% of the chance, which is just RUMORED in japan...it'll be a while until anything solid will be heard here...
It was all computer generated, but the car sketch looked GREAT. Same mx5 style, but aggressive body kit...
Again, its all just rumors :Eyecrazy:

Most Japanese car mags are more like the Enquirer than the mags we're used to in the US. Also, I'm not sure what the imaginary Kabura and MX-5 have to do with the imaginary Supra and 350Z ;)

Actually you shouldn't believe what you read in magazines... Nothing from what I said came from Mazgazines. The NSX tested slow in a lot of magazines but when driven properly could run mid 13s, something that wasn't happening with a stock FD. Do you honestly think the FD came out to compete with the NSX rather than the Supra, 300ZXTT, 3000GT? Give me a break!

have you read the Yamaguchi book? Theres pictures of the mazda design team testing the FD with the NSX, in the book it says that the ingenier's dint rest until they could out perforn the NSX.

I agree with you expect witht he Part where you said the FD was not able to run mid 13's. Ive seen FD's run 13.5 flat STOCK, but like you said magazines mightve tested teh cars slow. im sure NSX's time could improve with better drivers (or test conditions) like how the FD improved.

edit: about rotary crazy... well hes just talking out of his... bah nevermind.

I like to do that, talk out of my a.., but let me ask you this, have you own an NSX, because I have :rollingla , the most relible exotic i have ever seing and the best looking car to come from japan, althoug the parts are really expensive(cluht and frition plate was over $1000), but fast it was not, in fact I sold it because I got tire of all comparable cars ( even if most of then cost 1/2) simply blew past me, and the aftermarket its not really good for the nsx, a couple of mods on an fd and theres no comparison, my brothers car with a dowmpipe, intake and a pettit ship ecu just blew my nsx

Are they really trying to say that the Supra will come out next October for $30k? There's so much about that I just don't believe.

have you read the Yamaguchi book? Theres pictures of the mazda design team testing the FD with the NSX, in the book it says that the ingenier's dint rest until they could out perforn the NSX.

Great, and Mitsubishi has tested the Evo against various 911s, that doesn't mean the Evo is competition for them. So you insult me for believing something in magazines yet you fall for some nonsense said by an Author that was catering to owners of a specific car...

I like to do that, talk out of my a.., but let me ask you this, have you own an NSX, because I have :rollingla , the most relible exotic i have ever seing and the best looking car to come from japan, althoug the parts are really expensive(cluht and frition plate was over $1000), but fast it was not, in fact I sold it because I got tire of all comparable cars ( even if most of then cost 1/2) simply blew past me, and the aftermarket its not really good for the nsx, a couple of mods on an fd and theres no comparison, my brothers car with a dowmpipe, intake and a pettit ship ecu just blew my nsx
Sure you have... lets see some proof.

come on guys, we all kno the nsx isnt as exclusive as the rx8. he wanted to be different.....




ten hucks the speed rx8 wont have any engine mods anyway. ill aim for a road course worthy suspension and really good tires.......




a 350hp z means nothing if the next rx8 still retains 232hp but weighs 1900 lbs........


while u girls pray for a turbo, i pray for a diet plan

I know you guys from Mazda of North America come to this site, so listen up if your reading this! Saw last night in the latest issue of R&T the new refreshed Z and the new Supra(once dead in June) now is going to be a reality! Both of these cars for '08/09 model years are going to be boasting 350HP for 30K dollars! Mazda get your head out your ASS!!!! Wake up!

Now that you accomplished to bring out a Speed 3, 6, Miata/Mx-5 ....focus on the 8! Rotary enthusiast are dieing for a performance rotary! Either scrap the 8 and bring out the 7 again, or bring us a Speed 8! Time is running out , and the competition is taking it up a notch by next year this time.

I love my 8 , and i am not one to complain about the Hp in this car, but this is rediculious Mazda, your treating the 8 as some bastard car! Yes its a niche car and not the bread and butter halo car that brings in alot of money, but this is a car that is looked upon by many enthusiast of the world! Do something....make some changes .....and fast!

I am only loyal to cars that stir the soul, not to manufactures......all i know by late '08, i know what will be parking next to my 8 in my garage , and it definitely won't be another Mazda.......Wake Up! :mad:
Dude its all about the carbs lays and more b.s. coming from ca.
Do you recall when mazda was first doing the proto for the 8? the rotory engine was a b!tch to tune hell it still is!. Mazda almost called the whole thing off. People where doing partations on web sites to get mazda to follow through with the car. A lot of after market items for this car are and will not be carb legal. Just look at all the threads about car build up and how its not good for our car. I dont think mazda is going to go for Turb or SC. Yes I have seen all the FI threads on how the big guys of mazda are hinting at FI but I just cant see it after all look the media stuff on the hybrid lol 8's. So I guess only time will tell.
I hear you on the HP #'s. I wish mazda would have went FI from the start like the evo but oh well. I think mazda will hear the calling from the rx-8 owners. After all the miata guys had to wait 5 years! :Eyecrazy:
So lets wait and see :mdrmed:

it is my general feeling that even if mazda pulls a Mazdaspeed 8 out... it wont be able to come up to the levels you can in the aftermarket (aka Mazsport Scott's Turbo which i think will destroy everything when it hits in a week)

Those of us with 8s that have complained in the past about no power or no MS8 - if they came out with one tommorow and it was say 3000 over regular price for the forced induction and only gave 40 horsies. Would you trade your old 8 in for that? Not likely

If i can get mazsport scotts kit - tuned and running flawlessly and keep people from breaking into my car, i will have MY perfect car one that can whoop 350Z's, G35Cs, Mustang GTs, and maybe even a few cheap Porsches'

it is my general feeling that even if mazda pulls a Mazdaspeed 8 out... it wont be able to come up to the levels you can in the aftermarket (aka Mazsport Scott's Turbo which i think will destroy everything when it hits in a week)

Those of us with 8s that have complained in the past about no power or no MS8 - if they came out with one tommorow and it was say 3000 over regular price for the forced induction and only gave 40 horsies. Would you trade your old 8 in for that? Not likely

If i can get mazsport scotts kit - tuned and running flawlessly and keep people from breaking into my car, i will have MY perfect car one that can whoop 350Z's, G35Cs, Mustang GTs, and maybe even a few cheap Porsches'

Ok, but what happens when those cars have mods?

Dude its all about the carbs lays and more b.s. coming from ca.
Do you recall when mazda was first doing the proto for the 8? the rotory engine was a b!tch to tune hell it still is!. Mazda almost called the whole thing off. People where doing partations on web sites to get mazda to follow through with the car. A lot of after market items for this car are and will not be carb legal. Just look at all the threads about car build up and how its not good for our car. I dont think mazda is going to go for Turb or SC. Yes I have seen all the FI threads on how the big guys of mazda are hinting at FI but I just cant see it after all look the media stuff on the hybrid lol 8's. So I guess only time will tell.
I hear you on the HP #'s. I wish mazda would have went FI from the start like the evo but oh well. I think mazda will hear the calling from the rx-8 owners. After all the miata guys had to wait 5 years! :Eyecrazy:
So lets wait and see :mdrmed:
That applies for the 13B-MSP (renesis... so far) ... take a look at the other rotaries...

Ok, but what happens when those cars have mods?


I think of it this way: if Mazsportscotts kit delivers what im thinking it will deliver - even a mildly modified Z shouldnt be a problem. The only dyno's ive seen are a little dated and he said what he's delivering will be even better then that but he was putting down 330 WHEEL horsepower on one moderate boost dyno. Lets assume there is 20% drivetrain loss there... thats pushing close to 380HP at the crank? Perhaps i'm assuming way too much.

But how many Z's would you run into that are close to 380HP? Who knows I'd feel like I could take almost anything you run into on the street if I had MazsportScotts kit perfectly installed and tuned.

I think of it this way: if Mazsportscotts kit delivers what im thinking it will deliver - even a mildly modified Z shouldnt be a problem. The only dyno's ive seen are a little dated and he said what he's delivering will be even better then that but he was putting down 330 WHEEL horsepower on one moderate boost dyno. Lets assume there is 20% drivetrain loss there... thats pushing close to 380HP at the crank? Perhaps i'm assuming way too much.

But how many Z's would you run into that are close to 380HP? Who knows I'd feel like I could take almost anything you run into on the street if I had MazsportScotts kit perfectly installed and tuned.

Keep this in mind... An Evo with a flash, exhaust, and MBC (possibly less than 1k in mods) can put down 330whp. If you think 330whp is going to help you take just about anything on the streets you're probably in for a rude awakening. As for the Mazsport kit, I'll believe it when I see it...

Posted without finishing my thoughts...

If the Z and Supra come out pushing 350hp and the STI and Evo up their output as expected it's not going to take much for them to eclipse that 330whp mark that you have to have a highly tuned N/A turned turbo car to get. It's not even a real kit yet and as we've seen with plenty of other kits boasting bigger HP numbers for the RX-8 that they just fizzle and don't make it into production.

In addition you've also got cars like the new Camaro, Challenger, and Caliber SRT-4, and who knows what else on the horizon.

alrighty i can see your points - i dont keep up on what the cost and posibilities are for other cars too much.

As for the new Camaro and Challenger - i dont really consider those the same category of cars - to me thats american muscle cars - totally different category to me.

I guess i was speaking from my own experience of cars/people i've encountered on the road. At least where I live the cars that can sligly 1-up our RX8 (350z evoVIIII, STI, etc) Yes they can pull on me in the current state of my car but not by THAT much.... why im assuming +100HP and +100 TQ instantly would make MY general encounters where I live all seem easier.

with the exception of the SRT car even if mazsporsts kit puts 330whp down and all thoe cars make more bhp, whp i don belive the power to weight ratio will still be on par with about anything. You have to keep this in mind as this was the real number that mazda has always seemed to focus on over just hp and is more of a true indicator. A typical school bus will put out 300 ftlbs.

Can someone translate this for me...

ill try in the morning.

crown > mac.

with the exception of the SRT car even if mazsporsts kit puts 330whp down and all thoe cars make more bhp, whp i don belive the power to weight ratio will still be on par with about anything. You have to keep this in mind as this was the real number that mazda has always seemed to focus on over just hp and is more of a true indicator. A typical school bus will put out 300 ftlbs.

but a typical school bus will not be able to move anything faster than even a Stock N/A 8 with only 130 ft pound.

You guys keep saying *When will we get a Mazdaspeed 8 ...* well, Mazdaspeed 8 has already been released in Japan ...... yea yea yea I know they never had it anywhere else but ....

I really really doubt they would release any turbo or whatever in the near future .... cuz now I think they're STILL trying to make sure everything is right before they put anything out .... they might have something 3 years later, but now, nope.

Those of you who say Mazda is not interested in these horsepower wars, I beg to differ. You haven't noticed that Mazda has been slowly but surely increasing the amount of horsepower across its lineup as the years have gone by? Here is where they currently stand:

Mazda 6: 212 hp
RX-8: 232 hp
CX-7: 244 hp
Mazdaspeed 3: 263 hp
Mazdaspeed 6: 274 hp

Anyone notice a trend? 300hp is around the corner in my opinion. I don't think there has been any other point in the past where Mazda has had this many cars for sale with 200+ hp all at once. Also, their average 0-60 figures are slowly entering the 7 second range, up from 8 or 9 or wherever the hell it used to be. They are definitely concerned about horsepower, just taking baby steps.

come on guys, we all kno the nsx isnt as exclusive as the rx8. he wanted to be different.....




ten hucks the speed rx8 wont have any engine mods anyway. ill aim for a road course worthy suspension and really good tires.......




a 350hp z means nothing if the next rx8 still retains 232hp but weighs 1900 lbs........


while u girls pray for a turbo, i pray for a diet plan
For the 8 to weigh 1900lbs it's going to have to come a completely different car. I do not want a tiny roadster and I can barely fit in an 8 without screwing up my faux hawk anyways. Let them make the Kabura or the MX-5 to fill that roll. Mazda still needs a powerful coupe and not a diet to keep many people interested.

The problem with the supra is toyota doesn't know how to make an interesting car anymore, they only make boring blands vehicles so that's what I expect from the supra. As far as the z goes who cares, it's butt ugly just like the sti. I don't want to be boring or butt ugly, do you?

Great, and Mitsubishi has tested the Evo against various 911s, that doesn't mean the Evo is competition for them. So you insult me for believing something in magazines yet you fall for some nonsense said by an Author that was catering to owners of a specific car...

Hey, wait i dint insult you, if you feel insulted Im sorry it was not my intention, just a friendly argument.

It was stated by mazda hundreds of time's that the performance they where shooting for was the nsx's, in the book there's a lot of pics of mazda's ingenering team comparing boht cars at that time 1990, the only one of this cars that was avalible was the 300zx, the 3000gt was not yet introduce neither was the supra.

Sure you have... lets see some proof.

ok, how?

pics?

I dont own it any more sold it 3 years ago, but I do have pics, but today I do own a nice collection of cars :wiggle:

2005 toyota land cruiser
2005 mazda RX-8
1994 mazda RX-7
1995 eunos cosmo 20b
1990 fc racer
1972 rx-2 coupe

I just receive 2 nissan sylvias s-13, I import cars fron japan and sell them :wiggle:

my brother still owns his 1993 r1 FD

Acura NSX
Resurrection ensured.

"We are now focused on the development of a new model to succeed the NSX for a new era. We would like to debut a new super sports car equipped with a V-10 in three to four years. Please look forward to seeing the NSX successor."

Other than those remarks uttered by Honda CEO Takeo Fukui last year, nothing has been heard from Honda about its future sports car plans. Here's what we were able to dig up: There is indeed a newV-10 engine in the works at Honda, but we also uncovered information on a V-8 project. And, although we previously reported that the next NSX will have its engine mounted amidships, there's a big possibility of it coming in as a front-engine/all-wheel-drive sports car.

The displacement of Honda's V-10 will be about 5.0 liters, with output around 450 to 500 bhp. Honda's aim is to outperform Nissan's GT-R and Lexus' GT 450. But the buzz that Honda is also working on the development of a V-8 raises the possibility of the future NSX (it may be called something else) being available with two engine options. Our sources tell us that the future 8-cylinder will have 4.5 liters of displacement with an output of around 350 to 400 bhp. This way, Honda can go after the Nissan GT-R with the V-8-powered car, while taking on the Lexus GT 450 with the V-10-powered one. The future NSX will likely use Honda's trick SH-AWD awd system currently found in the Acura RL.

We expect the top-of-the-line Honda 2-seater to be priced around $100,000 while the base model will carry a sticker of about $70,000. This preliminary image of the NSX is our best guess right now as to what the car may look like. The on-sale date is scheduled for 2008.

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Those of you who say Mazda is not interested in these horsepower wars, I beg to differ. You haven't noticed that Mazda has been slowly but surely increasing the amount of horsepower across its lineup as the years have gone by? Here is where they currently stand:

Mazda 6: 212 hp
RX-8: 232 hp
CX-7: 244 hp
Mazdaspeed 3: 263 hp
Mazdaspeed 6: 274 hp

Anyone notice a trend? 300hp is around the corner in my opinion. I don't think there has been any other point in the past where Mazda has had this many cars for sale with 200+ hp all at once. Also, their average 0-60 figures are slowly entering the 7 second range, up from 8 or 9 or wherever the hell it used to be. They are definitely concerned about horsepower, just taking baby steps.

Yeah I agree with that trend, the next Mazda6 will come with 260ish hp. So Mazda's next sports car should have more than that. Not the Kabura tho, since it'll be a lightweight car. But the next generation RX-8 will definatly have more than that. We just need Mazda to announce something, all we're doing now is guessing.
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Those of you who say Mazda is not interested in these horsepower wars, I beg to differ. You haven't noticed that Mazda has been slowly but surely increasing the amount of horsepower across its lineup as the years have gone by? Here is where they currently stand:

Mazda 6: 212 hp
RX-8: 232 hp
CX-7: 244 hp
Mazdaspeed 3: 263 hp
Mazdaspeed 6: 274 hp

Anyone notice a trend? 300hp is around the corner in my opinion. I don't think there has been any other point in the past where Mazda has had this many cars for sale with 200+ hp all at once. Also, their average 0-60 figures are slowly entering the 7 second range, up from 8 or 9 or wherever the hell it used to be. They are definitely concerned about horsepower, just taking baby steps.


Ok this is what i was trying to say last night .....


Yes, sure Mazda is upping their HP numbers but you will NOT see them getting into the game of one upping nissan or mitsu. That is something they have never done and more than likely never will. Instead of looking at purely the HP numbers calculate the weight/hp ratios and you will see that mazda, while being underpowered, has always been in the ballpark of their competition. With the other companies going nuts over HP in the last few years Mazda has started falling behind in that game, hence they are upping their levels. But they are not going to give you a 350HP VQ motor out of the box. What you can expect to see is something with roughly the same 11-12lbs/hp rating out of either the next gen 8 or MS 8 or whatever.

I also find it interesting that yesterday it was mentioned again abot the Kabura getting the Renesis as a sports option. If you do the math on the ~24-2600/b car with the ~230bhp you fal right into that ~10-12lb/hp

Something they have never done? You sure? Have you ever heard of the RX-7? The Millenian made to compete with flagship sedans?

i just hope that the new supras and z will create soem competition for the gtr and help lower its price? yeah the gtr will come strage out with everything but ther maybe be more tunning potential in the other cars? then again i am sure people will tune the gtr as well to crazy numbers.

Something they have never done? You sure? Have you ever heard of the RX-7? The Millenian made to compete with flagship sedans?



what were the HP numbers on the 7 compared to the 3000GT the 300ZTT and supras of the time? and anything else "in its class" that it was compared to?

i just hope that the new supras and z will create soem competition for the gtr and help lower its price? yeah the gtr will come strage out with everything but ther maybe be more tunning potential in the other cars? then again i am sure people will tune the gtr as well to crazy numbers.

I would look more towards Mitsubishi and Subaru if you want something to give the new GTR a run for its money. It would seem that Toyota doesn't want to play that game anymore, and Nissan isn't stupid enough to shoot themselves in the foot like that.

what were the HP numbers on the 7 compared to the 3000GT the 300ZTT and supras of the time? and anything else "in its class" that it was compared to?

the 3000gt was 320 hp as well as the supra the 300zx was 300 the NSX was 272 , the mazda was 255. but all of those cars weight was much higer than the mazda.

the 3000gt was 320 hp as well as the supra the 300zx was 300 the NSX was 272 , the mazda was 255. but all of those cars weight was much higer than the mazda.


exactly. that has been my point. Mazda is not playing the "who has the bigger horsepower penis" game. They dont pay attention to raw HP numbers. What they have proven that they care about way more is the weight/HP ratio. That was my entire point the whole time.

Yes, if all they gave a shit about was straight line performance, the 2.3 liter turbo going into the 3100 pound Mazdaspeed 3 would have found its way into the 2500 pound Mazdaspeed MX-5.

^ Too bad the mx5 wont be 2500lbs after teh swap :( .turbo components are heavy and so are supped up drivetrains.

exactly. that has been my point. Mazda is not playing the "who has the bigger horsepower penis" game. They dont pay attention to raw HP numbers. What they have proven that they care about way more is the weight/HP ratio. That was my entire point the whole time.

That's Mazda's loss. It's easier to put more powerful engine into a car than to try to put it on slimfast.

Why couldn't they make the RX-8 2700-2800 pounds? Because it would be ridiculously hard to make the car any lighter, as well as expensive.

And like Jerky said, Mazda seems to have some sense knocked into them (MS6). Hopefully their next rotary car will be able to keep up with the competition in terms of acceleration - one of the biggest benchmark for sports cars. Or they can keep making cars with sub-200whp and have only moderate sales at best, and then say they're all about handling and the twisties - when they have always had the option to be BOTH. Worked for the RX-7.

I know with emissions this is a problem with the RX-8 and to make a turbo-ed RX-8 that passes is probably not likely. So yes, they can go lighter with the Kabura and maybe offer a Renesis option. Will it happen? That might not be one of Mazda's goals.

As for me....waiting on Pettit or Mazsport.

My only concern is that , you buy a turbo upgrade from Greddy, Mazsport or petit, the question still lies at hand? Will your 8 or my 8 be competitive with the other competition? Just like Ike brought out, yeah your 8 may be modified, but you pull up to a Evo with a 1k dollars of mods, you spent 5k+ on a turbo kit, and still see tailights.....you then have to ask yourself , is this car even worth to mod?

Or do you start fresh and buy something that is capable from the get go....

Its like my buddy who had a 95 civic coupe with a turbo , he was no competition to my Stage III borderline Stage IV TTZ. He blew major money on a car that was slow from the get go, made it fast, but would still see tail lights from faster more powerful cars that came out the box already to run, yet could be made faster with the available mods for them.

Same thing applies to 8, the 8 is slow by todays standards, slap a turbo or S/C,it suddenly becomes fast, but not fast enough to cars that already have that mod potential to make them even faster. So wether stock vs stock or modified vs modified, the 8 will still be lagging.

I love my 8, but it ticks me off that Mazda(and maybe i am assuming) seems like they are not trying to evolve the 8. New colors, interior choices, etc, don't cut it.Even if Mazda added 40 HP like somebody mentioned in a previous post and and the weight went up between 50-150lbs in a new 8 or went down, i would buy one. 40 true HP (bring the renisis to 272HP)would be a night and day diffrence from hit and miss 5-10HP overlypriced mods for this car.

I guess that is the same reason why i haven't modified this car performance (and me who loves to modify my cars), spending big $$$ on minimal gains makes me feel like my buddy with his 95 coupe adding a turbo.It seems a little pointless....i rather add my wheels, suspension , rear lip spoiler and call it the day with the 8 and enjoy it for its uniqueness and handeling prowlness. To me, my best mod is myself learning how to drive the 8 to its limits.

That's Mazda's loss. It's easier to put more powerful engine into a car than to try to put it on slimfast.

Why couldn't they make the RX-8 2700-2800 pounds? Because it would be ridiculously hard to make the car any lighter, as well as expensive.

And like Jerky said, Mazda seems to have some sense knocked into them (MS6). Hopefully their next rotary car will be able to keep up with the competition in terms of acceleration - one of the biggest benchmark for sports cars. Or they can keep making cars with sub-200whp and have only moderate sales at best, and then say they're all about handling and the twisties - when they have always had the option to be BOTH. Worked for the RX-7.

I know with emissions this is a problem with the RX-8 and to make a turbo-ed RX-8 that passes is probably not likely. So yes, they can go lighter with the Kabura and maybe offer a Renesis option. Will it happen? That might not be one of Mazda's goals.

As for me....waiting on Pettit or Mazsport.


well, take a look around. There is not a whole lot of weight to drop off the 8 and still leave it the same size that it is. Also look around the market place....it is 3-800lbs lighter than any of its competition. Yes in recent years mazda has fallen behind in the weight/hp ratios but they are working on correcting that. and even though they are beind on the ratios and power their cars are still competitive in the areas they are designed to be because of what they have done right. suspension, chasis and brakes. I would much rather get an underpowered car with a great suspension and chasis setup than a powerful car with a weak chasis and crap suspension. Power is a lot easier to make than to get stiffness into a weak chasis. I think mazda is doing a good job.

I don't know if the cause is Ford executives screwing around with Mazda about the rotary engine or Mazda being lazy and scared, but there is really no excuse for not having an Mazdaspeed RX-8.

Mazda does not have to have HP numbers greater than the 350Z or EVO, it simply has to beat its OWN hatchbacks and family cars. Got damn it, a Mazdaspeed3 and Mazdaspeed6 can or are way too close to handing the RX-8 (the company's own flagship sports car) its own ass in 0-60 and the 1/4 mile. That is simply plain ridiculous.

Now, where does the RX-8 need to be at to be superior to the Mazdaspeed3 or Mazdaspeed6? It needs to get its numbers up to a TRUE 275+ bhp/SAE hp. The 275 HP to 300 HP range is where its at (of course the closer to 300 bhp or above, the more love people would have for the kit). That is really not so hard and it appears the easiest way to do it is via a supercharger kit.

If Mazdaspeed had a bolt on supercharger kit for the RX-8 that was under warranty, than that kit should sell pretty well.

At this point, Mazda does not even have to develop its own, but endorse one of the supercharger kits that are already out and have a couple of their techs helping to tune it. One of the twinscrew kits/concepts (Hymee, Pettit, Japanese version, or their own), with the help of Mazda techs tuning it, should produce enough HP gain to make it worth while for RX-8 customers.

Mazda needs to come out with a 275+ HP Mazdaspeed RX-8 that is faster than anything else that MAZDA is offering (which includes its own hatchback and family car). That is all Mazda really has to do. Simply make the Mazdaspeed RX-8, the fastest car that MAZDA is offering and not have its flagship sports car embarrassed by hatchbacks and family cars in its product line.

The mod wars are never ending. If people want massive gains from the RX-8 or any car for that matter, the best bet are going to pro-tuners (unless you are one). Then they can seek to get an RX-8 to have 400 WHP. Mazda, simply should be making sure that the Mazdaspeed RX-8 is the fastest car they produce. 275+ HP is not that hard for Mazda to do. Its nearly a crime that they have not done so already.

That applies for the 13B-MSP (renesis... so far) ... take a look at the other rotaries...
Some time back there was a article by re-amemiya. He said rotaries are hard to tune. Oh well.

Some time back there was a article by re-amemiya. He said rotaries are hard to tune. Oh well.
If they were.. there wouldnt be so many high powered rotaries out there.. re-amemiya wouldnt have so many customers either :p: ...

I don't know if the cause is Ford executives screwing around with Mazda about the rotary engine or Mazda being lazy and scared, but there is really no excuse for not having an Mazdaspeed RX-8.

Mazda does not have to have HP numbers greater than the 350Z or EVO, it simply has to beat its OWN hatchbacks and family cars. Got damn it, a Mazdaspeed3 and Mazdaspeed6 can or are way too close to handing the RX-8 (the company's own flagship sports car) its own ass in 0-60 and the 1/4 mile. That is simply plain ridiculous.

Now, where does the RX-8 need to be at to be superior to the Mazdaspeed3 or Mazdaspeed6? It needs to get its numbers up to a TRUE 275+ bhp/SAE hp. The 275 HP to 300 HP range is where its at (of course the closer to 300 bhp or above, the more love people would have for the kit). That is really not so hard and it appears the easiest way to do it is via a supercharger kit.

If Mazdaspeed had a bolt on supercharger kit for the RX-8 that was under warranty, than that kit should sell pretty well.

At this point, Mazda does not even have to develop its own, but endorse one of the supercharger kits that are already out and have a couple of their techs helping to tune it. One of the twinscrew kits/concepts (Hymee, Pettit, Japanese version, or their own), with the help of Mazda techs tuning it, should produce enough HP gain to make it worth while for RX-8 customers.

Mazda needs to come out with a 275+ HP Mazdaspeed RX-8 that is faster than anything else that MAZDA is offering (which includes its own hatchback and family car). That is all Mazda really has to do. Simply make the Mazdaspeed RX-8, the fastest car that MAZDA is offering and not have its flagship sports car embarrassed by hatchbacks and family cars in its product line.

The mod wars are never ending. If people want massive gains from the RX-8 or any car for that matter, the best bet are going to pro-tuners (unless you are one). Then they can seek to get an RX-8 to have 400 WHP. Mazda, simply should be making sure that the Mazdaspeed RX-8 is the fastest car they produce. 275+ HP is not that hard for Mazda to do. Its nearly a crime that they have not done so already.

Well said. Agree 100%.

I don't know if the cause is Ford executives screwing around with Mazda about the rotary engine or Mazda being lazy and scared, but there is really no excuse for not having an Mazdaspeed RX-8.

Mazda does not have to have HP numbers greater than the 350Z or EVO, it simply has to beat its OWN hatchbacks and family cars. Got damn it, a Mazdaspeed3 and Mazdaspeed6 can or are way too close to handing the RX-8 (the company's own flagship sports car) its own ass in 0-60 and the 1/4 mile. That is simply plain ridiculous.

Now, where does the RX-8 need to be at to be superior to the Mazdaspeed3 or Mazdaspeed6? It needs to get its numbers up to a TRUE 275+ bhp/SAE hp. The 275 HP to 300 HP range is where its at (of course the closer to 300 bhp or above, the more love people would have for the kit). That is really not so hard and it appears the easiest way to do it is via a supercharger kit.

If Mazdaspeed had a bolt on supercharger kit for the RX-8 that was under warranty, than that kit should sell pretty well.

At this point, Mazda does not even have to develop its own, but endorse one of the supercharger kits that are already out and have a couple of their techs helping to tune it. One of the twinscrew kits/concepts (Hymee, Pettit, Japanese version, or their own), with the help of Mazda techs tuning it, should produce enough HP gain to make it worth while for RX-8 customers.

Mazda needs to come out with a 275+ HP Mazdaspeed RX-8 that is faster than anything else that MAZDA is offering (which includes its own hatchback and family car). That is all Mazda really has to do. Simply make the Mazdaspeed RX-8, the fastest car that MAZDA is offering and not have its flagship sports car embarrassed by hatchbacks and family cars in its product line.

The mod wars are never ending. If people want massive gains from the RX-8 or any car for that matter, the best bet are going to pro-tuners (unless you are one). Then they can seek to get an RX-8 to have 400 WHP. Mazda, simply should be making sure that the Mazdaspeed RX-8 is the fastest car they produce. 275+ HP is not that hard for Mazda to do. Its nearly a crime that they have not done so already.

well said!

Check your latest Road and track....its all there
Just to confirm this, I happened upon the Nov issue of R&T. They said that the Supra is slated for a mid 2008 release with V6 and potentially V8 engines. They also mentioned that the V6 may get a DSG. I dunno if any of this is true, but it's in there.

Seems like 2008 is going to be a year of many fun new cars.

SayNoToPistons : ur correct in many ways, and i do wish MS would come out with a s/c kit. But thats just not going to happen. Im glad there are people out there that have started to put money into research for a supercharger for the rx8. Mazda isn't doing there homework and we have known this for a while. Which is why i have stopped the hope for that to come true. But think of it like this if the car came stock with the supercharger there woulnd't be much to do. Whats the fun in that. Yes the 350z is faster due to HP and so is the evo! just think thow. RWD vs rwd. kinda unfair as it is. EVO is only comfortable to sit in. NOT TO DRIVE DAILY!. 350z ,RWD but only 2 seats with 300hp *so they say* after driveing a hour its very uncomofortable. The rx8,RWD, 4 seats, 232hp , superiour handling and with so much more potential. The rx8 was really researched and was done right! Yes they could have done a little more UMPH to it BUT! lol i like that word. HOnestly whats the fun in putting a twinturbo kit on then haveing to replace this then this then this then this then this. like what my friend had to do for his 350z which is still in the shop now accually. My point is, be creative and work what mazda has given you. a turbo kit on a rx8 would easly keep up with a tt350z in driveing in general and drag.

SayNoToPistons : ur correct in many ways, and i do wish MS would come out with a s/c kit. But thats just not going to happen. Im glad there are people out there that have started to put money into research for a supercharger for the rx8. Mazda isn't doing there homework and we have known this for a while. Which is why i have stopped the hope for that to come true. But think of it like this if the car came stock with the supercharger there woulnd't be much to do. Whats the fun in that. Yes the 350z is faster due to HP and so is the evo! just think thow. RWD vs rwd. kinda unfair as it is. EVO is only comfortable to sit in. NOT TO DRIVE DAILY!. 350z ,RWD but only 2 seats with 300hp *so they say* after driveing a hour its very uncomofortable. The rx8,RWD, 4 seats, 232hp , superiour handling and with so much more potential. The rx8 was really researched and was done right! Yes they could have done a little more UMPH to it BUT! lol i like that word. HOnestly whats the fun in putting a twinturbo kit on then haveing to replace this then this then this then this then this. like what my friend had to do for his 350z which is still in the shop now accually. My point is, be creative and work what mazda has given you. a turbo kit on a rx8 would easly keep up with a tt350z in driveing in general and drag.
What? the evo is awd... its a 4 door sedan..

SayNoToPistons : ur correct in many ways, and i do wish MS would come out with a s/c kit. But thats just not going to happen. Im glad there are people out there that have started to put money into research for a supercharger for the rx8. Mazda isn't doing there homework and we have known this for a while. Which is why i have stopped the hope for that to come true. But think of it like this if the car came stock with the supercharger there woulnd't be much to do. Whats the fun in that. Yes the 350z is faster due to HP and so is the evo! just think thow. RWD vs rwd. kinda unfair as it is. EVO is only comfortable to sit in. NOT TO DRIVE DAILY!. 350z ,RWD but only 2 seats with 300hp *so they say* after driveing a hour its very uncomofortable. The rx8,RWD, 4 seats, 232hp , superiour handling and with so much more potential. The rx8 was really researched and was done right! Yes they could have done a little more UMPH to it BUT! lol i like that word. HOnestly whats the fun in putting a twinturbo kit on then haveing to replace this then this then this then this then this. like what my friend had to do for his 350z which is still in the shop now accually. My point is, be creative and work what mazda has given you. a turbo kit on a rx8 would easly keep up with a tt350z in driveing in general and drag.

I guess I should stop daily driving my Evo... :Freak_ani What does the RX-8 have more potential than? You're dreaming if you think an RX-8 with any of the turbo kits available would keep up with a TT350Z.

^I thought TT dont make your car fast lol

I guess I should stop daily driving my Evo... :Freak_ani What does the RX-8 have more potential than? You're dreaming if you think an RX-8 with any of the turbo kits available would keep up with a TT350Z.


Thats the truth...... read back to my last post about my buddy adding a turbo to his civic. Your making a slow car go faster, but its still not fast enough when other car are alreay at that level, and then mod those same cars , it takes them to even greater levels. Apply this to the RX-8.

The key here is Mazda to get off the lazy butts and put some heartfelt R&D into the rotary and get a true 40-50HP increase. A RX-8 at 2800lbs with 272-275Hp N/A is going to a tuff cookie to beat. It would automatically bring the RX-8 into a compettive class amongst the 350Z, S2000, Porsche BoxterS, Evo , Sti, NeonSRT, etc.
Even if the 350Z does get that boost in HP to 350 next year. Its weight is going to be borderline 3500lbs......its already teetering close 3400lbs with 300HP.

If the RX-8 ever did get those numbers and that weight , i think it would be a hit among car enthusiast, that is the 275HP/2800lbs. :)

All Mazda would need is a 3-rotor renesis... (238hp / 2 rotors) * 3 rotors = 357HP at the crank.

C'mon, that can't be THAT hard!

And a freshening of the interior with real gauges for temp, oil temp, oil pressure, etc. Oh, and a standard double-din stereo setup... Oh and....

Sorry. Got off track there for a second.

come on man, its you guys that complained about gaz mailage. can you imaging the gas milgae on the three rotor?... to me i dont mind. but type gas in search and look at the threads that come up. look how many

come on man, its you guys that complained about gaz mailage. can you imaging the gas milgae on the three rotor?... to me i dont mind. but type gas in search and look at the threads that come up. look how many

theres a lot of way's a 3 rotor can be made to give decent gas milage, one of the problems with the rx-8 is its gearing, 4.44 dif is not your friend when it comes to fuel consuption

I believe that companies race to improve their cars. look at F1 for example? as soon as bmw put an F1 gearbox in f1 car 1 year later we saw it in the m3. but that was not enough. they said that f1 bmw car is heavy, so they reduced the waight, and then we saw m3 csl which a lighter waight car.

Honda and toyota are in f1..... i am surprised that their supra, s2000 has only this much HP so, i wont be surprised to see them jump to the 400s hp for a special supra, call it m3 eater. OH even worse, next year f1 will only have 8 cyl engines, instead of 10. imagine they drop that engine in supra or a honda? :bootyshak that when we kiss mazda GOODBYE....

Thay know that, they know they can't compete, they know they are so behind in REAL RACING TECH not INDY shit. so what do they do? mhhhh......................

well all that racing is using gas... but gas is only getting expansive :nono: that not where the future lies..... so why dont we make a HYDRO car? oh wait they started in the rx-8 why? because a rotary is better for hydro than cyl engine.

I just think we will see something creative, away from the hp dick contest. Cross your fingers and hope for the lemans rotary to do well next year. maybe we attract some other company that will compete in rotary. I HATE FORD BEACUSE THEY ARE JUNK, i hate mazda cause they are owned by ford. BUT I LOVE THE ROTARY, i love to brag about it and what four rotor engine can do. if they make 3 rotor engine with same gas milage... it would be awsome. but adding lets say a vtech...... in which all cyl work in an unorganiseded way.... maybe they can do that to a rotary. its just that one company can do only so much, but when you have 200 other companies that compete in the same field; thay will be working their ass off. and when someone comes out with something creative thay all copy it. mazda has no one to copy from. poor rotary. thay need to set an example, they need to make other companies beg for a help in a rotary. i think it needs alot of improvements

i wish them the best, interesing to see untill when they will be holding into the rotary engine

I believe that companies race to improve their cars. look at F1 for example? as soon as bmw put an F1 gearbox in f1 car 1 year later we saw it in the m3. but that was not enough. they said that f1 bmw car is heavy, so they reduced the waight, and then we saw m3 csl which a lighter waight car.

Honda and toyota are in f1..... i am surprised that their supra, s2000 has only this much HP so, i wont be surprised to see them jump to the 400s hp for a special supra, call it m3 eater. OH even worse, next year f1 will only have 8 cyl engines, instead of 10. imagine they drop that engine in supra or a honda? :bootyshak that when we kiss mazda GOODBYE....

Thay know that, they know they can't compete, they know they are so behind in REAL RACING TECH not INDY shit. so what do they do? mhhhh......................

well all that racing is using gas... but gas is only getting expansive :nono: that not where the future lies..... so why dont we make a HYDRO car? oh wait they started in the rx-8 why? because a rotary is better for hydro than cyl engine.

I just think we will see something creative, away from the hp dick contest. Cross your fingers and hope for the lemans rotary to do well next year. maybe we attract some other company that will compete in rotary. I HATE FORD BEACUSE THEY ARE JUNK, i hate mazda cause they are owned by ford. BUT I LOVE THE ROTARY, i love to brag about it and what four rotor engine can do. if they make 3 rotor engine with same gas milage... it would be awsome. but adding lets say a vtech...... in which all cyl work in an unorganiseded way.... maybe they can do that to a rotary. its just that one company can do only so much, but when you have 200 other companies that compete in the same field; thay will be working their ass off. and when someone comes out with something creative thay all copy it. mazda has no one to copy from. poor rotary. thay need to set an example, they need to make other companies beg for a help in a rotary. i think it needs alot of improvements

i wish them the best, interesing to see untill when they will be holding into the rotary engine

What a stunning post...





















Not in a good way.

+1 Ike...

Holy misinformation!

^ Includes rotary crazy

:Eyecrazy:

This forum is deteriorating fast. Especially this section ! General Automotive!
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I believe that companies race to improve their cars. look at F1 for example? as soon as bmw put an F1 gearbox in f1 car 1 year later we saw it in the m3. but that was not enough. they said that f1 bmw car is heavy, so they reduced the waight, and then we saw m3 csl which a lighter waight car.

Honda and toyota are in f1..... i am surprised that their supra, s2000 has only this much HP so, i wont be surprised to see them jump to the 400s hp for a special supra, call it m3 eater. OH even worse, next year f1 will only have 8 cyl engines, instead of 10. imagine they drop that engine in supra or a honda? :bootyshak that when we kiss mazda GOODBYE....

Thay know that, they know they can't compete, they know they are so behind in REAL RACING TECH not INDY shit. so what do they do? mhhhh......................

well all that racing is using gas... but gas is only getting expansive :nono: that not where the future lies..... so why dont we make a HYDRO car? oh wait they started in the rx-8 why? because a rotary is better for hydro than cyl engine.

I just think we will see something creative, away from the hp dick contest. Cross your fingers and hope for the lemans rotary to do well next year. maybe we attract some other company that will compete in rotary. I HATE FORD BEACUSE THEY ARE JUNK, i hate mazda cause they are owned by ford. BUT I LOVE THE ROTARY, i love to brag about it and what four rotor engine can do. if they make 3 rotor engine with same gas milage... it would be awsome. but adding lets say a vtech...... in which all cyl work in an unorganiseded way.... maybe they can do that to a rotary. its just that one company can do only so much, but when you have 200 other companies that compete in the same field; thay will be working their ass off. and when someone comes out with something creative thay all copy it. mazda has no one to copy from. poor rotary. thay need to set an example, they need to make other companies beg for a help in a rotary. i think it needs alot of improvements

i wish them the best, interesing to see untill when they will be holding into the rotary engine

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This forum is deteriorating fast. Especially this section ! General Automotive!
Blame the fan boys.

Blame the administrators for not doing jack shit about the trolls.
Fixed it for you.

What a stunning post...





















Not in a good way.

his name explains it all

The trolls only feed off of the fan boys.

Holy misinformation!

^ Includes rotary crazy

I happeng to own a cosmo 20b, so I may know what im talking about

but you seem to be really smart and know much more than any one else, so prove that a 20b, cant get 15/18 mpg, and that is on a 3300 lbs car

got pics of your cosmo? and pics of your NSX that you supposedly owned too?

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=82884&highlight=cosmo

there you go, the NSX was sold 3 years ago. but I do have pics in my home pc

if you want to see some of my other toys:

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=71518&highlight=cosmo

And the rx-8 will be here in 20 days :mdrmed:

want to see pics of my engines? I do have 2 20b right now, and maybe some pics of my race car?

ohh yeah, ive seen those! forgot it was you. nice collection

thanks

I happeng to own a cosmo 20b, so I may know what im talking about

but you seem to be really smart and know much more than any one else, so prove that a 20b, cant get 15/18 mpg, and that is on a 3300 lbs car
Owning a certain type of vehicle does not mean you know about it. and it sure seems that way. no one said a 20b rew cant get 15/18mpg (even though it certainly seems like it cant, but anything is possible) ... what the fuck are you talking about? no one is talking about gas mileage here. you're just pulling pointless questions out of your ass. the Cosmo weighs 3450+ lbs btw (depending on the model and package)...

theres a lot of way's a 3 rotor can be made to give decent gas milage, one of the problems with the rx-8 is its gearing, 4.44 dif is not your friend when it comes to fuel consuption

this is what I said and you said I was mis informing, I wasnt even talking to you

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SayNoToPistons Holy misinformation!

^ Includes rotary crazy

So I own a car and dont know the gas milage it does? the weight was in the invoice of the shipping company, they weight the car before shipping it in japan 3,387 lbs to be specific