DailyDriver2k5

I know you guys from Mazda of North America come to this site, so listen up if your reading this! Saw last night in the latest issue of R&T the new refreshed Z and the new Supra(once dead in June) now is going to be a reality! Both of these cars for '08/09 model years are going to be boasting 350HP for 30K dollars! Mazda get your head out your ***!!!! Wake up!

Now that you accomplished to bring out a Speed 3, 6, Miata/Mx-5 ....focus on the 8! Rotary enthusiast are dieing for a performance rotary! Either scrap the 8 and bring out the 7 again, or bring us a Speed 8! Time is running out , and the competition is taking it up a notch by next year this time.

I love my 8 , and i am not one to complain about the Hp in this car, but this is rediculious Mazda, your treating the 8 as some bastard car! Yes its a niche car and not the bread and butter halo car that brings in alot of money, but this is a car that is looked upon by many enthusiast of the world! Do something....make some changes .....and fast!

I am only loyal to cars that stir the soul, not to manufactures......all i know by late '08, i know what will be parking next to my 8 in my garage , and it definitely won't be another Mazda.......Wake Up!

Mugatu

iTrader: (1)

i would love to read what you're reading that says the new Supra is going to cost $30k.

DailyDriver2k5

Check your latest Road and track....its all there

"Shanika"

interesting...

JB_Rotary

I still think Ford told Mazda that the next rotary car had to seat 4 and be slower than the Mustang GT. I think Ford is shady like that .

rotarygod

Which is pretty damn slow!

9G Redline

Hahaha!

tjbourgoyne

And two of the doors could not be full size.

skillmaker

All Mazda would need is a 3-rotor renesis... (238hp / 2 rotors) * 3 rotors = 357HP at the crank.

C'mon, that can't be THAT hard!

And a freshening of the interior with real gauges for temp, oil temp, oil pressure, etc. Oh, and a standard double-din stereo setup... Oh and....

Sorry. Got off track there for a second.

dtorre

Wow you do that math all by yourself skillmaker? ....Its to bad each rotor doesn't automatically produce 119 hp when its added to the basic 1.3 liter setup....if that was the case you wouldn't have 4 rotor N/A engines putting out over 500whp and 3 rotor cosmos throwing down than 300 crank horsepower

longfury

I would like to know what engine Toyota would use for a new Supra(which Toyota Japan has said they would not build a new Supra in the forseable future).

Edit: looks like Toyota changed their minds with the 350z sucess.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....&page_number=4

brillo

Or, you could have a much lighter weight car, which doesn't need 350hp to move it. The Kabura will weigh only 2600lb.....hmmmm

Tirminyl

I thought they were shooting for 2400lbs

dmp

mazda should finance a personal-trainer for me. If I lose weight, I wont need more HP in my car

rotarygod

Mazda has never had a car with 400+ hp and have even admitted to being a company that will not give you the highest horsepower numbers. I'm going to just go out on a limb and say Mazda is going to do nothing about this. I would be absolutely shocked to see them ever produce a car with enough horsepower to compete with those.

A lighter car would be a better option. The last Supras weighed an awful lot. They needed 300 hp. The 300ZX twin turbo was also a heavy car that had 300 hp. It only ran the quarter mile in 15 flat. The n/a version did it in about 15.8. Not a fast car. That's why when the 3rd gen RX-7 came out with 255hp it was so much faster than the 300ZX. It was the lightest of the bunch. At 13.9 it was a screamer. The Supra was still faster though but couldn't touch it in a corner. The NSX at the time was just slower than the RX-7 but upgrades in later years combined with the RX-7's demise in America changed that.

If Mazda ever did try to get a performance car like that, it would be WELL under 3000 lbs and need about 350 hp, a number I still don't see them ever trying to hit in a production car.

dmp

sidebar: ...and i've seen stock rx7's running as quick as 13.5

CarAndDriver

I highly doubt that Supra will come in around 30K. If it does, it is not going to have performance along the lines of a 60K sports car.

I hope Mazda is not going to sit around and do nothing. I am sure they are working on something. It may not be rotary though.

Renesis_8

They wont just give up the market segment completely, afterall Mazda is about zoom zoom and sports cars!.. I am almost 100% sure that they wont give us something with really high hp.. but with lighter weight that has simliar power to weight ratio of the other grossly overweight japanese sports cars. A 3-rotor with 350hp is overkill, they dont need that much hp, nor could the cost be justified. I think the next gen RX-8 will be a 2-seater, and the Kabura will take over as a 4-seater sports car. Kabura will be priced too cheaply to really make it a halo sports car for Mazda.
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rglbegl

Well . . According to our factory rep the Supra ( which is not allowed to be called a Supra - Once Toyota retires a car, they never use that name again. So if they did, it would be a first ) Will be competing against the new Nissan GT-R, Which is supposed to be closer to the $75k mark. So if you think the new Toyota sports car is only going to run in the $30k range . . you are dreaming. Did you forget how much they were asking for the last supra??? Just like that other thread talking about overbidding the MSRP . . that is what Toyota will be going for. We already have an interest list at my store, and we have a bid (unconfirmed) of $100k over the MSRP to have the FIRST one in Socal.

no dice

IIRC correctly, the supra will be badged as a lexus..

XDEEDUBBX

im keeping mine reguardless...if i can figure out some way to drop 200lbs off the car and retain stock interior (my girl will kill me if she saw it gutted), maybe race seats, and make 260-300 whp..i would be a very happy camper

Skiptomylue

im sure an 8speed will come out soon or not at all.. either way, if you are soooo worried then sell your 8 and buy something else.. me.. im gonna go FI with my 8... even the worst FI kit available (which i hear is the greddy..) still makes 260Rwhp with ease....so.. ~290-300 hp at the crank... if you want to see a Fi'ed car.. expect it not to come cheap

m477

Mazda should just make a deal with Lotus and release a new RX-7 as a rebadged Elise with a Renesis.

DailyDriver2k5

Ahhh....Rotary God , you got it wrong.... Twin turbo Z's ran low 14's to high 13's.... N/A Z' with 222Hp ran 15-15.6 flat. I am Z fanatic and previous owner of a TTZ. If a TTZ got that time of 15 flat, the driver sure does suck at driving it.

Lowest time for a stock TTZ is 13.7..... Consistent times anywhere from 13.9-14.4.Anything higher than that is a bad driver or a poor mechanically TTZ.

DailyDriver2k5

To me forced inducting an 8 isn't the awnser either.... as i seen times barely squeaking past the 14.5 mark. I was pulling those numbers in my semi stock 2k2 6 speed Maxima with just a Injen Intake and custom exhaust.

Now if the a Turbo got the 8 down to high 12's low 13's , then i would be all over it.