WAKE UP CALL MAZDA! '08 350Z/Supra 350HP/30K!!!
10-20-2006, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Devil
I don't believe a 350bhp, 3200lbs, RWD car will hit 60mph in 4.2 seconds. The numbers don't match, imo.
A C6 Vette, weighs about 3200lbs, and has 400bhp and just barely can get to those numbers, and costs ~$45,000
A C6 Vette, weighs about 3200lbs, and has 400bhp and just barely can get to those numbers, and costs ~$45,000
I wonder if Toyota is equipping this car with a tight 7 speed gear box. I think 4.2 is generous though, i can see more 4.5-4.8 with that kind of Hp and weight numbers. 4.2 would be a ringer! Thats true the vette has 400 Hp and it barely eclipses that time of the C5 Z-06 with 405HP.
10-20-2006, 02:42 PM
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i think mazda should follow lotus example, make a kabura with a 2.3 lt turbo or a turbo renensis, 2600 lbs and 280 to 300 hp
a power to weight ratio of 8.67
all for $25,000- $27,000
12.5 in the 1/4 mile and lapping tsukuba in the 1:03.xxx range
whoa, if mazda had any ***** they would do a limitted edition MX-5 with this engine, rx-8 brakes, and better suspension
a power to weight ratio of 8.67
all for $25,000- $27,00012.5 in the 1/4 mile and lapping tsukuba in the 1:03.xxx range
whoa, if mazda had any ***** they would do a limitted edition MX-5 with this engine, rx-8 brakes, and better suspension
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10-20-2006, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by SayNoToPistons
^ Its not that simple.
10-20-2006, 03:19 PM
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We expect the V-8 Supra to be priced about $50,000. The more affordable Supra (around $40,000) will come with a 3.5-liter V-6, the same powerplant used in the Lexus IS 350 and GS 350, but tuned to produce more power. We're hearing 350 bhp and 275 lb.-ft. of torque.
10-20-2006, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by bascho
Since Mazda seems to be against turbocharging the Renesis in production.....the better option would be to lose the rear doors and drop some lbs. High hp #'s are only needed to offset the increasing waistlines of sports cars these days. If the RX8 could drop to the 2500lb range......that would be like having 300hp.
I still think Mazda's best chance at really competing with the 350Z and a Supra-like Toyota product would be to turbo charge that new Duratech 35 they'll be using the 2008 Mazda 6. Because of the joint use between Ford and Mazda on this engine the unit cost is going to be really low.
I still think Mazda's best chance at really competing with the 350Z and a Supra-like Toyota product would be to turbo charge that new Duratech 35 they'll be using the 2008 Mazda 6. Because of the joint use between Ford and Mazda on this engine the unit cost is going to be really low.
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10-20-2006, 04:23 PM
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Yah, I think Mazda should use the new 3.5L to compete in the hp war with the other japanese companies. To me, the new duratec is superior to the Nissan VQ35, which is very highly rated. I am not sure about the new VQ35HR tho, it seems to be sweet, typical nissan V6s. Mazda's car doesnt have to be a really light weight sports car, 3100lbs with 350+hp would be sweet. Turbocharge the V6 like bascho said. I think Nissan will have a hard time juicing out 100hp/litre in their V6, not impossible, but it might more likely come with ~320hp.
And also use the Kabura to eat into the FWD market where the sales are! cheap lightweight fun to drive RWD coupe.
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And also use the Kabura to eat into the FWD market where the sales are! cheap lightweight fun to drive RWD coupe.
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10-20-2006, 04:28 PM
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Hopefully Mazda has realized the potential of the Kabura whether its piston or rotary. I see a Kabura as my track car. Here is to a 2010-2011 model year release. I will be in a better position to get a new ride :D
10-20-2006, 04:31 PM
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I agree with the potential of the Kabura, its been stated too many times on this forum too!, there is no car like it! I think Mazda knows this.
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10-20-2006, 05:12 PM
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Why doesn't Mazda make a car to compete with the Elise? Well does the Elise even make money for Lotus?
I can see them matching the weight of the Elise with the Rotary (which I'm assuming is lighter than the Elise/Toyota engine, the MPG of the renesis would need a bigger tank than the Elise.
I do not see Mazda producing a V6 320hp coupe to challenge the 350z or supra. I see them sticking to their own plan of the 6,3,mx-5, and the blacksheep rotary engine rx8.
I can see them matching the weight of the Elise with the Rotary (which I'm assuming is lighter than the Elise/Toyota engine, the MPG of the renesis would need a bigger tank than the Elise.
I do not see Mazda producing a V6 320hp coupe to challenge the 350z or supra. I see them sticking to their own plan of the 6,3,mx-5, and the blacksheep rotary engine rx8.
10-20-2006, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MyRXdrug
the MPG of the renesis would need a bigger tank than the Elise.
10-20-2006, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by rotarygod
Mazda has never had a car with 400+ hp and have even admitted to being a company that will not give you the highest horsepower numbers. I'm going to just go out on a limb and say Mazda is going to do nothing about this. I would be absolutely shocked to see them ever produce a car with enough horsepower to compete with those.
A lighter car would be a better option. The last Supras weighed an awful lot. They needed 300 hp. The 300ZX twin turbo was also a heavy car that had 300 hp. It only ran the quarter mile in 15 flat. The n/a version did it in about 15.8. Not a fast car. That's why when the 3rd gen RX-7 came out with 255hp it was so much faster than the 300ZX. It was the lightest of the bunch. At 13.9 it was a screamer. The Supra was still faster though but couldn't touch it in a corner. The NSX at the time was just slower than the RX-7 but upgrades in later years combined with the RX-7's demise in America changed that.
If Mazda ever did try to get a performance car like that, it would be WELL under 3000 lbs and need about 350 hp, a number I still don't see them ever trying to hit in a production car.
A lighter car would be a better option. The last Supras weighed an awful lot. They needed 300 hp. The 300ZX twin turbo was also a heavy car that had 300 hp. It only ran the quarter mile in 15 flat. The n/a version did it in about 15.8. Not a fast car. That's why when the 3rd gen RX-7 came out with 255hp it was so much faster than the 300ZX. It was the lightest of the bunch. At 13.9 it was a screamer. The Supra was still faster though but couldn't touch it in a corner. The NSX at the time was just slower than the RX-7 but upgrades in later years combined with the RX-7's demise in America changed that.
If Mazda ever did try to get a performance car like that, it would be WELL under 3000 lbs and need about 350 hp, a number I still don't see them ever trying to hit in a production car.
The Supra was also a lot better handler than most give it credit for, especially FD owners... It may not be the nimble fun little car the FD was but it was a very capable handler. Watch this for a little proof...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...motoring+supra
By MY93 when the FD came out the NSX was capable of running mid 13s in the 1/4, it was capable of that in 91 even though mags got slower times. So no, the FD was not a little faster than the NSX, it was slower.
(edit: sorry for harping on the Z, didn't see others had already pointed it out)
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10-20-2006, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Ike
Do you just make this stuff up? The 300ZX Turbo was about on par with the RX-7 and was VERY capable of running high 13s and IIRC trapped a little higher than the FD. That Z (along with the 3000GT) was also the car that made Mazda and Toyota have to play catchup and raised the bar for Japanese sportscars from there on out.
The Supra was also a lot better handler than most give it credit for, especially FD owners... It may not be the nimble fun little car the FD was but it was a very capable handler. Watch this for a little proof...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...motoring+supra
By MY93 when the FD came out the NSX was capable of running mid 13s in the 1/4, it was capable of that in 91 even though mags got slower times. So no, the FD was not a little faster than the NSX, it was slower.
The Supra was also a lot better handler than most give it credit for, especially FD owners... It may not be the nimble fun little car the FD was but it was a very capable handler. Watch this for a little proof...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...motoring+supra
By MY93 when the FD came out the NSX was capable of running mid 13s in the 1/4, it was capable of that in 91 even though mags got slower times. So no, the FD was not a little faster than the NSX, it was slower.
dont belive what you read in the magazines like its the bible or something, back in 93 my brother got and R1 FD and it was much faster than the 300zx and the nsx fron a roll and launching, the supra was faster, this are all stock cars tested the same night on a drag strip with the same drivers changing cars, in fact my fc was as fast as the 300zx or just a bit slower, i did win more races to the 300zx
10-20-2006, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by rotary crazy
NO WAY, the rx-7 was an answer to the nsx, not the 3000gt, the rx-7 out perform the 300zx and the 3000gt, it was also faster than the nsx.
dont belive what you read in the magazines like its the bible or something, back in 93 my brother got and R1 FD and it was much faster than the 300zx and the nsx fron a roll and launching, the supra was faster, this are all stock cars tested the same night on a drag strip with the same drivers changing cars, in fact my fc was as fast as the 300zx or just a bit slower, i did win more races to the 300zx
dont belive what you read in the magazines like its the bible or something, back in 93 my brother got and R1 FD and it was much faster than the 300zx and the nsx fron a roll and launching, the supra was faster, this are all stock cars tested the same night on a drag strip with the same drivers changing cars, in fact my fc was as fast as the 300zx or just a bit slower, i did win more races to the 300zx
10-20-2006, 07:10 PM
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Actually you shouldn't believe what you read in magazines... Nothing from what I said came from Mazgazines. The NSX tested slow in a lot of magazines but when driven properly could run mid 13s, something that wasn't happening with a stock FD. Do you honestly think the FD came out to compete with the NSX rather than the Supra, 300ZXTT, 3000GT? Give me a break!
edit: about rotary crazy... well hes just talking out of his... bah nevermind.
10-20-2006, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by rotary crazy
i think mazda should follow lotus example, make a kabura with a 2.3 lt turbo or a turbo renensis, 2600 lbs and 280 to 300 hp
a power to weight ratio of 8.67 all for $25,000- $27,000
12.5 in the 1/4 mile and lapping tsukuba in the 1:03.xxx range
whoa, if mazda had any ***** they would do a limitted edition MX-5 with this engine, rx-8 brakes, and better suspension
a power to weight ratio of 8.67
all for $25,000- $27,00012.5 in the 1/4 mile and lapping tsukuba in the 1:03.xxx range
whoa, if mazda had any ***** they would do a limitted edition MX-5 with this engine, rx-8 brakes, and better suspension
A new mazdaspeed mx-5 is in the list of possible productions around late 08 or so....with the book rating 50% production probability...wow
The book says that this will fit the same engine as the MSP 3's 2.3 turbo on to the new mx5....wow think of that...but then it's just a 50% of the chance, which is just RUMORED in japan...it'll be a while until anything solid will be heard here...
It was all computer generated, but the car sketch looked GREAT. Same mx5 style, but aggressive body kit...
Again, its all just rumors
10-20-2006, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SayNoToPistons
Keep it rotary and swap in a 13bt or 13b-re/rew. ding ding!
