WAKE UP CALL MAZDA! '08 350Z/Supra 350HP/30K!!!
10-20-2006, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Akisan2
I just heard of a very crazy but interesting new/aricle in the japanese bookstore magazine called "best car"
A new mazdaspeed mx-5 is in the list of possible productions around late 08 or so....with the book rating 50% production probability...wow
The book says that this will fit the same engine as the MSP 3's 2.3 turbo on to the new mx5....wow think of that...but then it's just a 50% of the chance, which is just RUMORED in japan...it'll be a while until anything solid will be heard here...
It was all computer generated, but the car sketch looked GREAT. Same mx5 style, but aggressive body kit...
Again, its all just rumors
A new mazdaspeed mx-5 is in the list of possible productions around late 08 or so....with the book rating 50% production probability...wow
The book says that this will fit the same engine as the MSP 3's 2.3 turbo on to the new mx5....wow think of that...but then it's just a 50% of the chance, which is just RUMORED in japan...it'll be a while until anything solid will be heard here...
It was all computer generated, but the car sketch looked GREAT. Same mx5 style, but aggressive body kit...
Again, its all just rumors
10-20-2006, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Ike
Actually you shouldn't believe what you read in magazines... Nothing from what I said came from Mazgazines. The NSX tested slow in a lot of magazines but when driven properly could run mid 13s, something that wasn't happening with a stock FD. Do you honestly think the FD came out to compete with the NSX rather than the Supra, 300ZXTT, 3000GT? Give me a break!
10-20-2006, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by SayNoToPistons
I agree with you expect witht he Part where you said the FD was not able to run mid 13's. Ive seen FD's run 13.5 flat STOCK, but like you said magazines mightve tested teh cars slow. im sure NSX's time could improve with better drivers (or test conditions) like how the FD improved.
edit: about rotary crazy... well hes just talking out of his... bah nevermind.
edit: about rotary crazy... well hes just talking out of his... bah nevermind.
, the most relible exotic i have ever seing and the best looking car to come from japan, althoug the parts are really expensive(cluht and frition plate was over $1000), but fast it was not, in fact I sold it because I got tire of all comparable cars ( even if most of then cost 1/2) simply blew past me, and the aftermarket its not really good for the nsx, a couple of mods on an fd and theres no comparison, my brothers car with a dowmpipe, intake and a pettit ship ecu just blew my nsx
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10-20-2006, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by rotary crazy
have you read the Yamaguchi book? Theres pictures of the mazda design team testing the FD with the NSX, in the book it says that the ingenier's dint rest until they could out perforn the NSX.
10-20-2006, 09:39 PM
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I like to do that, talk out of my a.., but let me ask you this, have you own an NSX, because I have , the most relible exotic i have ever seing and the best looking car to come from japan, althoug the parts are really expensive(cluht and frition plate was over $1000), but fast it was not, in fact I sold it because I got tire of all comparable cars ( even if most of then cost 1/2) simply blew past me, and the aftermarket its not really good for the nsx, a couple of mods on an fd and theres no comparison, my brothers car with a dowmpipe, intake and a pettit ship ecu just blew my nsx
, the most relible exotic i have ever seing and the best looking car to come from japan, althoug the parts are really expensive(cluht and frition plate was over $1000), but fast it was not, in fact I sold it because I got tire of all comparable cars ( even if most of then cost 1/2) simply blew past me, and the aftermarket its not really good for the nsx, a couple of mods on an fd and theres no comparison, my brothers car with a dowmpipe, intake and a pettit ship ecu just blew my nsx
10-20-2006, 09:50 PM
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stop flooding ur engines
come on guys, we all kno the nsx isnt as exclusive as the rx8. he wanted to be different.....
ten hucks the speed rx8 wont have any engine mods anyway. ill aim for a road course worthy suspension and really good tires.......
a 350hp z means nothing if the next rx8 still retains 232hp but weighs 1900 lbs........
while u girls pray for a turbo, i pray for a diet plan
ten hucks the speed rx8 wont have any engine mods anyway. ill aim for a road course worthy suspension and really good tires.......
a 350hp z means nothing if the next rx8 still retains 232hp but weighs 1900 lbs........
while u girls pray for a turbo, i pray for a diet plan
10-20-2006, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DailyDriver2k5
I know you guys from Mazda of North America come to this site, so listen up if your reading this! Saw last night in the latest issue of R&T the new refreshed Z and the new Supra(once dead in June) now is going to be a reality! Both of these cars for '08/09 model years are going to be boasting 350HP for 30K dollars! Mazda get your head out your ***!!!! Wake up!
Now that you accomplished to bring out a Speed 3, 6, Miata/Mx-5 ....focus on the 8! Rotary enthusiast are dieing for a performance rotary! Either scrap the 8 and bring out the 7 again, or bring us a Speed 8! Time is running out , and the competition is taking it up a notch by next year this time.
I love my 8 , and i am not one to complain about the Hp in this car, but this is rediculious Mazda, your treating the 8 as some bastard car! Yes its a niche car and not the bread and butter halo car that brings in alot of money, but this is a car that is looked upon by many enthusiast of the world! Do something....make some changes .....and fast!
I am only loyal to cars that stir the soul, not to manufactures......all i know by late '08, i know what will be parking next to my 8 in my garage , and it definitely won't be another Mazda.......Wake Up!
Now that you accomplished to bring out a Speed 3, 6, Miata/Mx-5 ....focus on the 8! Rotary enthusiast are dieing for a performance rotary! Either scrap the 8 and bring out the 7 again, or bring us a Speed 8! Time is running out , and the competition is taking it up a notch by next year this time.
I love my 8 , and i am not one to complain about the Hp in this car, but this is rediculious Mazda, your treating the 8 as some bastard car! Yes its a niche car and not the bread and butter halo car that brings in alot of money, but this is a car that is looked upon by many enthusiast of the world! Do something....make some changes .....and fast!
I am only loyal to cars that stir the soul, not to manufactures......all i know by late '08, i know what will be parking next to my 8 in my garage , and it definitely won't be another Mazda.......Wake Up!
Do you recall when mazda was first doing the proto for the 8? the rotory engine was a b!tch to tune hell it still is!. Mazda almost called the whole thing off. People where doing partations on web sites to get mazda to follow through with the car. A lot of after market items for this car are and will not be carb legal. Just look at all the threads about car build up and how its not good for our car. I dont think mazda is going to go for Turb or SC. Yes I have seen all the FI threads on how the big guys of mazda are hinting at FI but I just cant see it after all look the media stuff on the hybrid lol 8's. So I guess only time will tell.
I hear you on the HP #'s. I wish mazda would have went FI from the start like the evo but oh well. I think mazda will hear the calling from the rx-8 owners. After all the miata guys had to wait 5 years!
So lets wait and see
10-20-2006, 10:13 PM
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it is my general feeling that even if mazda pulls a Mazdaspeed 8 out... it wont be able to come up to the levels you can in the aftermarket (aka Mazsport Scott's Turbo which i think will destroy everything when it hits in a week)
Those of us with 8s that have complained in the past about no power or no MS8 - if they came out with one tommorow and it was say 3000 over regular price for the forced induction and only gave 40 horsies. Would you trade your old 8 in for that? Not likely
If i can get mazsport scotts kit - tuned and running flawlessly and keep people from breaking into my car, i will have MY perfect car one that can whoop 350Z's, G35Cs, Mustang GTs, and maybe even a few cheap Porsches'
Those of us with 8s that have complained in the past about no power or no MS8 - if they came out with one tommorow and it was say 3000 over regular price for the forced induction and only gave 40 horsies. Would you trade your old 8 in for that? Not likely
If i can get mazsport scotts kit - tuned and running flawlessly and keep people from breaking into my car, i will have MY perfect car one that can whoop 350Z's, G35Cs, Mustang GTs, and maybe even a few cheap Porsches'
10-20-2006, 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by toxin440
it is my general feeling that even if mazda pulls a Mazdaspeed 8 out... it wont be able to come up to the levels you can in the aftermarket (aka Mazsport Scott's Turbo which i think will destroy everything when it hits in a week)
Those of us with 8s that have complained in the past about no power or no MS8 - if they came out with one tommorow and it was say 3000 over regular price for the forced induction and only gave 40 horsies. Would you trade your old 8 in for that? Not likely
If i can get mazsport scotts kit - tuned and running flawlessly and keep people from breaking into my car, i will have MY perfect car one that can whoop 350Z's, G35Cs, Mustang GTs, and maybe even a few cheap Porsches'
Those of us with 8s that have complained in the past about no power or no MS8 - if they came out with one tommorow and it was say 3000 over regular price for the forced induction and only gave 40 horsies. Would you trade your old 8 in for that? Not likely
If i can get mazsport scotts kit - tuned and running flawlessly and keep people from breaking into my car, i will have MY perfect car one that can whoop 350Z's, G35Cs, Mustang GTs, and maybe even a few cheap Porsches'
10-20-2006, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DOMINION
Dude its all about the carbs lays and more b.s. coming from ca.
Do you recall when mazda was first doing the proto for the 8? the rotory engine was a b!tch to tune hell it still is!. Mazda almost called the whole thing off. People where doing partations on web sites to get mazda to follow through with the car. A lot of after market items for this car are and will not be carb legal. Just look at all the threads about car build up and how its not good for our car. I dont think mazda is going to go for Turb or SC. Yes I have seen all the FI threads on how the big guys of mazda are hinting at FI but I just cant see it after all look the media stuff on the hybrid lol 8's. So I guess only time will tell.
I hear you on the HP #'s. I wish mazda would have went FI from the start like the evo but oh well. I think mazda will hear the calling from the rx-8 owners. After all the miata guys had to wait 5 years!
So lets wait and see
Do you recall when mazda was first doing the proto for the 8? the rotory engine was a b!tch to tune hell it still is!. Mazda almost called the whole thing off. People where doing partations on web sites to get mazda to follow through with the car. A lot of after market items for this car are and will not be carb legal. Just look at all the threads about car build up and how its not good for our car. I dont think mazda is going to go for Turb or SC. Yes I have seen all the FI threads on how the big guys of mazda are hinting at FI but I just cant see it after all look the media stuff on the hybrid lol 8's. So I guess only time will tell.
I hear you on the HP #'s. I wish mazda would have went FI from the start like the evo but oh well. I think mazda will hear the calling from the rx-8 owners. After all the miata guys had to wait 5 years!
So lets wait and see
10-20-2006, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Ike
Ok, but what happens when those cars have mods?
I think of it this way: if Mazsportscotts kit delivers what im thinking it will deliver - even a mildly modified Z shouldnt be a problem. The only dyno's ive seen are a little dated and he said what he's delivering will be even better then that but he was putting down 330 WHEEL horsepower on one moderate boost dyno. Lets assume there is 20% drivetrain loss there... thats pushing close to 380HP at the crank? Perhaps i'm assuming way too much.
But how many Z's would you run into that are close to 380HP? Who knows I'd feel like I could take almost anything you run into on the street if I had MazsportScotts kit perfectly installed and tuned.
10-20-2006, 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by toxin440
I think of it this way: if Mazsportscotts kit delivers what im thinking it will deliver - even a mildly modified Z shouldnt be a problem. The only dyno's ive seen are a little dated and he said what he's delivering will be even better then that but he was putting down 330 WHEEL horsepower on one moderate boost dyno. Lets assume there is 20% drivetrain loss there... thats pushing close to 380HP at the crank? Perhaps i'm assuming way too much.
But how many Z's would you run into that are close to 380HP? Who knows I'd feel like I could take almost anything you run into on the street if I had MazsportScotts kit perfectly installed and tuned.
But how many Z's would you run into that are close to 380HP? Who knows I'd feel like I could take almost anything you run into on the street if I had MazsportScotts kit perfectly installed and tuned.
10-20-2006, 11:49 PM
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Posted without finishing my thoughts...
If the Z and Supra come out pushing 350hp and the STI and Evo up their output as expected it's not going to take much for them to eclipse that 330whp mark that you have to have a highly tuned N/A turned turbo car to get. It's not even a real kit yet and as we've seen with plenty of other kits boasting bigger HP numbers for the RX-8 that they just fizzle and don't make it into production.
In addition you've also got cars like the new Camaro, Challenger, and Caliber SRT-4, and who knows what else on the horizon.
If the Z and Supra come out pushing 350hp and the STI and Evo up their output as expected it's not going to take much for them to eclipse that 330whp mark that you have to have a highly tuned N/A turned turbo car to get. It's not even a real kit yet and as we've seen with plenty of other kits boasting bigger HP numbers for the RX-8 that they just fizzle and don't make it into production.
In addition you've also got cars like the new Camaro, Challenger, and Caliber SRT-4, and who knows what else on the horizon.
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alrighty i can see your points - i dont keep up on what the cost and posibilities are for other cars too much.
As for the new Camaro and Challenger - i dont really consider those the same category of cars - to me thats american muscle cars - totally different category to me.
I guess i was speaking from my own experience of cars/people i've encountered on the road. At least where I live the cars that can sligly 1-up our RX8 (350z evoVIIII, STI, etc) Yes they can pull on me in the current state of my car but not by THAT much.... why im assuming +100HP and +100 TQ instantly would make MY general encounters where I live all seem easier.
As for the new Camaro and Challenger - i dont really consider those the same category of cars - to me thats american muscle cars - totally different category to me.
I guess i was speaking from my own experience of cars/people i've encountered on the road. At least where I live the cars that can sligly 1-up our RX8 (350z evoVIIII, STI, etc) Yes they can pull on me in the current state of my car but not by THAT much.... why im assuming +100HP and +100 TQ instantly would make MY general encounters where I live all seem easier.
10-21-2006, 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by mac11
with the exception of the SRT car even if mazsporsts kit puts 330whp down and all thoe cars make more bhp, whp i don belive the power to weight ratio will still be on par with about anything. You have to keep this in mind as this was the real number that mazda has always seemed to focus on over just hp and is more of a true indicator. A typical school bus will put out 300 ftlbs.
10-21-2006, 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by mac11
with the exception of the SRT car even if mazsporsts kit puts 330whp down and all thoe cars make more bhp, whp i don belive the power to weight ratio will still be on par with about anything. You have to keep this in mind as this was the real number that mazda has always seemed to focus on over just hp and is more of a true indicator. A typical school bus will put out 300 ftlbs.
You guys keep saying *When will we get a Mazdaspeed 8 ...* well, Mazdaspeed 8 has already been released in Japan ...... yea yea yea I know they never had it anywhere else but ....
I really really doubt they would release any turbo or whatever in the near future .... cuz now I think they're STILL trying to make sure everything is right before they put anything out .... they might have something 3 years later, but now, nope.
10-21-2006, 01:15 AM
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Those of you who say Mazda is not interested in these horsepower wars, I beg to differ. You haven't noticed that Mazda has been slowly but surely increasing the amount of horsepower across its lineup as the years have gone by? Here is where they currently stand:
Mazda 6: 212 hp
RX-8: 232 hp
CX-7: 244 hp
Mazdaspeed 3: 263 hp
Mazdaspeed 6: 274 hp
Anyone notice a trend? 300hp is around the corner in my opinion. I don't think there has been any other point in the past where Mazda has had this many cars for sale with 200+ hp all at once. Also, their average 0-60 figures are slowly entering the 7 second range, up from 8 or 9 or wherever the hell it used to be. They are definitely concerned about horsepower, just taking baby steps.
Mazda 6: 212 hp
RX-8: 232 hp
CX-7: 244 hp
Mazdaspeed 3: 263 hp
Mazdaspeed 6: 274 hp
Anyone notice a trend? 300hp is around the corner in my opinion. I don't think there has been any other point in the past where Mazda has had this many cars for sale with 200+ hp all at once. Also, their average 0-60 figures are slowly entering the 7 second range, up from 8 or 9 or wherever the hell it used to be. They are definitely concerned about horsepower, just taking baby steps.
10-21-2006, 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by RoXanneBlack8
come on guys, we all kno the nsx isnt as exclusive as the rx8. he wanted to be different.....
ten hucks the speed rx8 wont have any engine mods anyway. ill aim for a road course worthy suspension and really good tires.......
a 350hp z means nothing if the next rx8 still retains 232hp but weighs 1900 lbs........
while u girls pray for a turbo, i pray for a diet plan
ten hucks the speed rx8 wont have any engine mods anyway. ill aim for a road course worthy suspension and really good tires.......
a 350hp z means nothing if the next rx8 still retains 232hp but weighs 1900 lbs........
while u girls pray for a turbo, i pray for a diet plan
10-21-2006, 08:16 AM
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The problem with the supra is toyota doesn't know how to make an interesting car anymore, they only make boring blands vehicles so that's what I expect from the supra. As far as the z goes who cares, it's butt ugly just like the sti. I don't want to be boring or butt ugly, do you?
10-21-2006, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Ike
Great, and Mitsubishi has tested the Evo against various 911s, that doesn't mean the Evo is competition for them. So you insult me for believing something in magazines yet you fall for some nonsense said by an Author that was catering to owners of a specific car...
It was stated by mazda hundreds of time's that the performance they where shooting for was the nsx's, in the book there's a lot of pics of mazda's ingenering team comparing boht cars at that time 1990, the only one of this cars that was avalible was the 300zx, the 3000gt was not yet introduce neither was the supra.
10-21-2006, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by SayNoToPistons
Sure you have... lets see some proof.
pics?
I dont own it any more sold it 3 years ago, but I do have pics, but today I do own a nice collection of cars
2005 toyota land cruiser
2005 mazda RX-8
1994 mazda RX-7
1995 eunos cosmo 20b
1990 fc racer
1972 rx-2 coupe
I just receive 2 nissan sylvias s-13, I import cars fron japan and sell them
my brother still owns his 1993 r1 FD
10-21-2006, 09:40 AM
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Screw the Supra, look at this
Acura NSX
Resurrection ensured.
"We are now focused on the development of a new model to succeed the NSX for a new era. We would like to debut a new super sports car equipped with a V-10 in three to four years. Please look forward to seeing the NSX successor."
Other than those remarks uttered by Honda CEO Takeo Fukui last year, nothing has been heard from Honda about its future sports car plans. Here's what we were able to dig up: There is indeed a newV-10 engine in the works at Honda, but we also uncovered information on a V-8 project. And, although we previously reported that the next NSX will have its engine mounted amidships, there's a big possibility of it coming in as a front-engine/all-wheel-drive sports car.
The displacement of Honda's V-10 will be about 5.0 liters, with output around 450 to 500 bhp. Honda's aim is to outperform Nissan's GT-R and Lexus' GT 450. But the buzz that Honda is also working on the development of a V-8 raises the possibility of the future NSX (it may be called something else) being available with two engine options. Our sources tell us that the future 8-cylinder will have 4.5 liters of displacement with an output of around 350 to 400 bhp. This way, Honda can go after the Nissan GT-R with the V-8-powered car, while taking on the Lexus GT 450 with the V-10-powered one. The future NSX will likely use Honda's trick SH-AWD awd system currently found in the Acura RL.
We expect the top-of-the-line Honda 2-seater to be priced around $100,000 while the base model will carry a sticker of about $70,000. This preliminary image of the NSX is our best guess right now as to what the car may look like. The on-sale date is scheduled for 2008.
Resurrection ensured.
"We are now focused on the development of a new model to succeed the NSX for a new era. We would like to debut a new super sports car equipped with a V-10 in three to four years. Please look forward to seeing the NSX successor."
Other than those remarks uttered by Honda CEO Takeo Fukui last year, nothing has been heard from Honda about its future sports car plans. Here's what we were able to dig up: There is indeed a newV-10 engine in the works at Honda, but we also uncovered information on a V-8 project. And, although we previously reported that the next NSX will have its engine mounted amidships, there's a big possibility of it coming in as a front-engine/all-wheel-drive sports car.
The displacement of Honda's V-10 will be about 5.0 liters, with output around 450 to 500 bhp. Honda's aim is to outperform Nissan's GT-R and Lexus' GT 450. But the buzz that Honda is also working on the development of a V-8 raises the possibility of the future NSX (it may be called something else) being available with two engine options. Our sources tell us that the future 8-cylinder will have 4.5 liters of displacement with an output of around 350 to 400 bhp. This way, Honda can go after the Nissan GT-R with the V-8-powered car, while taking on the Lexus GT 450 with the V-10-powered one. The future NSX will likely use Honda's trick SH-AWD awd system currently found in the Acura RL.
We expect the top-of-the-line Honda 2-seater to be priced around $100,000 while the base model will carry a sticker of about $70,000. This preliminary image of the NSX is our best guess right now as to what the car may look like. The on-sale date is scheduled for 2008.
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Originally Posted by JeRKy 8 Owner
Those of you who say Mazda is not interested in these horsepower wars, I beg to differ. You haven't noticed that Mazda has been slowly but surely increasing the amount of horsepower across its lineup as the years have gone by? Here is where they currently stand:
Mazda 6: 212 hp
RX-8: 232 hp
CX-7: 244 hp
Mazdaspeed 3: 263 hp
Mazdaspeed 6: 274 hp
Anyone notice a trend? 300hp is around the corner in my opinion. I don't think there has been any other point in the past where Mazda has had this many cars for sale with 200+ hp all at once. Also, their average 0-60 figures are slowly entering the 7 second range, up from 8 or 9 or wherever the hell it used to be. They are definitely concerned about horsepower, just taking baby steps.
Mazda 6: 212 hp
RX-8: 232 hp
CX-7: 244 hp
Mazdaspeed 3: 263 hp
Mazdaspeed 6: 274 hp
Anyone notice a trend? 300hp is around the corner in my opinion. I don't think there has been any other point in the past where Mazda has had this many cars for sale with 200+ hp all at once. Also, their average 0-60 figures are slowly entering the 7 second range, up from 8 or 9 or wherever the hell it used to be. They are definitely concerned about horsepower, just taking baby steps.
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