To be named later

You know.......for every subject there is ONE thread at the top of a forum somewhere that contains the collective wisdom of this community, and is the ideal answer to whatever question a new member has.

TWO PROBLEMS:

#1: Noobs who want to be spoon fed and don't make the attempt to search.

#2: New members who want to find out by their own research and don't want to be spoon fed, and actually do a search, but unfortunately that aforementioned ONE thread at the top of a forum somewhere containing the collective wisdom of this community and the answer CANNOT be found because it is buried underneath 837,412 threads started by noobs who didn't search.

Meh......

.....forum rules recommend a search.

swoope

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sorry do you have a question?

beers

swoope

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and you question is what?

i have racked up the posts. but i also follow over 6k threads. knowledge is power.

i am willing to help those that have a good question.. or those that could not find an obscure answer..


but sorry, if you need to know what type of oil to use or the latest, i hear the rx8 is a problem car..

cant help you..

and that is really to bad, as a lot of info given right now is not accurate..

research is you friend..

beers

To be named later

Or how about the "I just picked up an RX8......what do I need to know about this car? Any known problems?"

swoope

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sorry,

i was going to edit my post but i will post this up for all..

if you ask a question that is in the owners manual your are a douche.

sorry it is what it is..

but some other helpful links...

https://www.rx8club.com/new-member-forum-197/rx8-faq-new-owners-116484/

https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...25&postcount=4

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting

if you watch it all the way it really is helpfull...

and most important

http://www.mazdamaniac.com/movie.htm


you get what you give..

beers

millerlight

alright can someone tell me the big prob. here is it noobs that done do the research themselves?

nvrfalter

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your posts are illegible.

nycgps

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your post is just as useful as the ones that with a single "SEARCH !"

Its just funny that you think people want to increase their post count with the "Search" comment.

at least the very same group of "Search n00b!" people actually did help lots of miserable members. have you actually helped anybody? so what makes you think you have the right to trash talking those helpers then ?

if u're as saint as you think you're , I want to see you spoon feed every single questions out there including those : "what oil should i use" "omg car burns oil why?" "what sup with the mpg!" etc.

To be named later

From what I can tell this is largely a personal thing between the topic starter and nycgps.

The topic starter got upset that nycgps gave him a "search noob" type response in another thread and didn't want to spoon feed someone, and tried to make it into some chronic "search noob" epidemic by nycgps.

Bull.

Evidenced by this thread: https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-tech-garage-22/scared-buy-rx-8-a-152023/ nycgps is perfectly willing to help with noob questions.

Hell..........nycgps is even willing to go help and inspect the car before it is purchased.

nycgps

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I help ppl only if I think they know what they're doing.

I hate people who want the others to spoon feed them. All I did was to point them to the right direction : Search.

Many people said the Search function is not working, there're too many results, etc.

but I guess the problem is that most people has been spoiled by google too much, to put it short : they simply don't know how to search properly.

I came from the early internet days, gone thru like couple Search engine generation. so I kinda know how to search properly. its pretty simple actually, just use the right keyword and most of them time you will find what you're looking for.

This is just like people have been spoiled by GUI based OS these days, they simply dont know how to work with command prompts. ahh, you can start IIS service on Windows with just a few mouse clicks, but command prompt gonna take like what 100-200 letters long to do the same thing. Tell these Mac OS/Windows people to use BSD ? I think they would rather quit using computers.

sebarx8

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well today search is like seach for an answer in the bible ,you have to read it all
and when you finish read it you are more confuse than before !!! hahahahah
and you don't find the answer to it hahahah

Rootski

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TBNL wins

Silver06

My opinion, (and to boost my post count - I always bring it up at cocktail parties - LOL) is that the best practice is to search before you post a new thread.

As stated before, almost all of the 'good questions' have been asked and answered. I find the BEST threads are the ones started back in '04 or '05, and answered back then - and then updated through the years with NEWER information, or UPDATED techniques. I thank the original posters, and those who continue to contribute...

When I search for an answer myself, I often find too many threads on the same topic... This makes for difficulty wading through crap before getting to what is almost always good advise.

Fewer threads on the same topic makes for easier searching, and easier reading, and pools the collective wisdom into one place.

Now, when I see a new thread from a new member (on a topic that has been covered to death), in addition to "Please Search", I try to add a couple of links to existing threads that answer the question.



Note though that not everything has been answered. For instance, I am still trying to figure out how to: Add factory TPMS to my Canadian car, and, Adding a Shock Sensor to my Advance Keyless Entry (Credit Card) system. Still no good answers, sigh...

sebarx8

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like i'd say before^^^^^^^^^^ if you ask there will be someone who will answer it for you just for help someone!!
i'm one thats read bud some times i find myself with no time to do so i ask !!
and always find someone that says search and that pisse me off if you got time to type that give and answer and don't be and ******* !!!! or just don't post and do'nt make ppl feel like ****!!

thank you

thats why rx8 club is all about to help each others!!!!

To be named later

I have never seen anyone get slammed after saying they tried to search but did not find an answer.

And I've never seen anyone get slammed after saying time is of the essense, they need an answer ASAP.

Look......as an example, suppose someone could ask about Apex seal failures.

I could give my two cents about Apex seals.
Another poster or two could give their two cents.
The end result would be a non-comprehensive Cliff Notes version.

Wouldn't it be better to send the poster to an existing comprehensive thread, started back in 2004, containing info on how to prevent Apex seal failure, how to diagnose problems, the accumulation of the wisdom on this board, with input from SEVERAL people who have torn down and rebuilt rotary engines, information DIRECTLY from Mazda USA, and feedback directly from dealerships and service advisors?

Sometimes the BEST advice we can give a newbie is none at all, rather, direct them to an existing thread that is the motherload 'o' advice.

sebarx8

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wow don't get me wrong here bud thats better than the search answer

Telexen

There's the typical attitude for such a goon. I'm not entitled to an opinion because I don't have a high post count on this particular forum. I deserve to be flamed because I have a low post count and post my opinion. Plus, somehow I'm hypocritical for making a post in in the Suggestions forum that isn't helping someone.

It's simple. Stop flaming people. If your post is only going to be "SEARCH!" and you don't plan to help them in any other way, just don't post. It's easier on you, it's easier on us because we don't have to read a thread with two pages of people telling the OP to search, and it helps the OP. If nobody replies to their thread, eventually they will search.

Yup. It's absolutely better to send them to the existing comprehensive thread and/or stickied threads. A post with links to such thread(s) is a great post. That's not what's being posted though. I applaud those who spend a few seconds and dig up those old but comprehensive threads to link to for the purpose of helping someone. That's the way it should be done, and that's the way it's been done up until the last few years where the patience and attentiveness on forums (everywhere, not just car forums) has plummeted.

nycgps

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if u consider "search" as flaming against people, then so be it. but I consider the word "goon" as racist comment. so much for being so "nice" to people.

no one even ask you to read any of the "What oil should I use" thread, not like u actually post anything useful anyway. if you think you're so kind & stuff, then please, I am not asking much, just please answer every single thread about "what kind of oil should I use".

if nobody replies to their thread, eventually they will search? why dont just tell them straight up to "do your own homework", that way it saves the person a lot more time than just "sit and wait for his answers to come". but sadly, most people just want Free Lunch and people to do their homework for them all the time. Thats why they got ****, when people want them to do their own homework.

can I ask do you have kids? if u do, would you let your kid to "let them sit and wait for answers to come" or "tell them the answer directly so they never have to try to find it on his/her own" or "try to find the answer yourself first, if u really cant find it, at least get a better clue b4 u ask again" ?

why would I do that when the stickies is like right there, right under the "New Thread" button ? Its their problem that they didnt read anything b4 they made their post. Most People these days just want free lunch and people to do their homework all the time.

ken-x8

I don't think it's racist. More like a personal slur, which (if one searches) turns out to be against forum rules. Up to the moderators to make a call on that.

Depending on your stance on unions versus Pinkertons and scabs, it could be taken as a compliment. But I doubt if that's the case.

Ken

nycgps

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Well, I call some of my friends the "N" word, they called me a chino or *****. its a friend thing. I know.

but in this case, I do not think is a friend or compliment thing.

TopGear8

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2000th post!!

swoope

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post *****.

btw,

finally got the center dash section in, did not realize it was a bose.. but in very good condition.. thx.

oh,,

and search..

beers

ken-x8

I don't see a whole lot of friendliness in parts of this thread.

But I do see the Post of the Year. Nobody is going to out-do topgear8.

Top - your sense of timing is brilliant!

Ken

Jon316G

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I don't care to argue with people on a forum, but I do have one question:
It seems like this thread was created because of the "search noob" comments posted for new people.
And from what I've read, some people would like others to give the new posts direct links to the answers instead of saying, "search noob".
If that's the case, how does it make sense to insist that someone reply with a direct link to the answer when they have to use the same search function the new poster could have used to begin with?
If the search feature was used to begin with, we wouldn't have crazy amounts of threads on the same topic, searching on a topic would be easier (not as many threads to weed through), and the new poster learns that using the search feature will give them an answer (most of the time).

I most admit... I've done many searches and went into a thread... just to get directed to another thread... just to get directed to another thread.
Anyone had this prank done to them at Christmas.... someone packs your gift in a box, within a box, within a box, within a box?
This is what you (people who want others to post direct links) want others to do.
Because one person will link to a thread (instead of saying search noob).
Then someone within that linked thread came along and said, "you should go here, its been discussed before."
Then another within that newly linked thread came along and said, "I started a thread on this same topic, go here!"
And then we've just created a box, within a box, within a box!
And your post will just become another box inside of the next box that comes along.

I remember when I was posting in a few "power steering issues" threads AT THE SAME TIME!
I shouldn't have to do that because we've created so many threads on the same topic!
In the end, even if we started posting direct links to other threads, others are going to post their experience within that new thread.
And the vicious cycle continues...

And nycgps... you're a goon and need to do searches for the noobs!

Juice

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I couldn't possibly agree with you more. Why should the people who know how to search have to go out and find the answers for the people who don't care enough to search for themselves?

I think its worthless and a waste of time to go out and search for an answer for someone then post that answer for them when they are perfectly capable of finding the answer on their own. Most of the new threads are just looking for a handout or "Free Lunch" as nycgps said.

That being said, most people on here have no problem with helping people if it seems they genuinely tried to find a solution themselves and couldn't.