msrecant

It's winter, and the flooding threads are blooming like wildflowers in spring. They are everywhere, Discussion, Tech Garage, etc. Despite Mazda technical changes, it seems to be getting worse, not better.

How about establishing a "Flooding" sub forum to the Tech Garage and moving all the flooding threads to that one place? That way we can see when the "flood" of "flooding" threads start to abate.

BlueEyes

I'd rather yell at people too stupid to search. Besides, if we give one for flooding, we'll have to give one for every other popular, over used, topic.

Tirminyl

No. It starts when people shutdown their cars when cold. Thats like asking can we have a "I wrecked my car while doing 120mph on a side street during a winter storm" forum.

msrecant

The issue isn't searching. Right now, everytime someone floods their 8 for the first time they tell us about it in a new thread (venting). A subforum would provide a central place for everyone (who wants to) to vent and to listen sympathetically.

Actually, having subforums for core RX-8 issues (like flooding or gas mileage) is not unreasonable. People who own 8s end up talking about certain recurring things and RX8Club.com provide forums/subforums for them to do that. Flooding is at least as popular a topic as interior/audio/electronics.

guy321

I think we need an "I tripped on my cat in the middle of the night and poked my eye out on my mazda rx8 key" forum.

msrecant

However, there are very few people who posted "I wrecked my car while doing 120mph on a side street during a winter storm". There are a tremendous number of people posting about flooding. Its a common problem, so give them a place to vent.

bascho

The problem is not the car......it's stupid people that cannot follow simple instructions. You're right, there needs to be a subforum for stupid people so that the rest of us can flame the **** out of them for being stupid.

G'daddy Rex

had to reply for all the "stupid people". I am one of those stupid people whose car had flooded. I live in CA, did not start, stop the car. Just parked the car after coming home from work( 20 mins on the freeway). Woke up the next morning, car would not start. No pumping of the accelerater, nor extended attempts to start the car.

Took it to Mazda, they replaced starter and plugs to the revised specs.

So not all of us with flooded cars are stupid people, just that there is a legitimate problem.

bascho

You flooded the engine in San Diego??? I've haven't heard of anyone in the southern states having any flooding issues. If so, you are a minority in the 'I flooded my engine' group.. If you read most of the threads about flooding, most admit they did a start/stop while the engine was cold and blame the procedure itself. You obviously followed the procedure and still had an issue.

newcastle

iTrader: (3)

LOL.....25K miles and not one flood.

msrecant

Hey, if we had a "flooding" sub-forum, you could post that information there!

RX8_GT

Bascho AKA God:

Please sign me up for the "Stupid People SubForum" then you will not have deal with us.

Hope you never have to leave your car for servicing etc. or forget the simple instructions once.

The RX-8's flooding issue is real - and if Mazda hopes to gain a good market share with the Rx-8 - and develope cars based on concepts like the Kabura - a long term fix is needed. (Hopefully the latest fix is a winner.) Towing 1 to 2 year old cars to the dealer after tire changes, etc is not the best way. As far as I know the RX-8 is the only modern mass-market sportcar with special starting and running instructions. But what do I know - being one of the Stupid People.

Yours Humbly

John

PS Flame now !!!

tiggerlee

I agree. Especially after I just got done reading this thread. But I think it should be in the Issues/Problems section.


Oh and btw, Owner since Oct. '04 and no flooding.

bascho

John,

I know there is an issue, Mazda knows there is an issue....hell, my 7 month old daughter knows there is an issue. That is why Mazda provides that nice, full-color manual regarding the 'special care' the RX8 needs. It is not Mazda's fault that you chose to ignore that manual, flood your car and then complain about it. I don't know how it was for you, but my salesman told me about the flooding issues and directed me to read the manual at least 3 times before I signed the paperwork. No one put a gun to your head to buy this car. I find it hard to believe you had no clue about this condition prior to signing the paperwork.......so since you signed the paperwork, you must have agreed that the car was worth the effort. If you find the procedures too difficult to remember, then sell the car and buy a lower maintainence vehicle. The Rotary engine is not for everyone.

Good luck with your next car!

-Bryan

msrecant

Look, everyone agrees that flooding is an issue with the RX-8. Whether it is a common operator error or a product defect doesn't matter. What does matter is that we should have a central obvious place to discuss this issue, if for no other reason so that these discussions don't clutter other areas of the forum.

Again, still pushing to add a "Flooding" sub-forum to the RX8Club.com "The Tech Garage" forum.

RX8_GT

Bryan:

Touchy ? No sense of humour ?

Look at the list of my cars - my point is the flooding issue is real and not just simple due to Stupid People. Owners will forget or have to have the car serviced.
The better the fix the better for Mazda.

Now get back on your meds. Mine help.


John

PS I do think a sub-forum would may it easier to gauge the issue better - and assess the fixes. Hopefully the battery-starter-plugs will greatly reduce this issue.

Tirminyl

Why must there be a need for a subforum? We know what causes the issue, we know the current fixes, what else is there? What will the forum be filled with? "Started my car and shut it off cold...engine flooded", or "Followed all the rules and car flooded, getting updated starter, plugs and batter"...what else? Just continue beating the horse? Why don't we get a Gas Mileage forum, or a new horsepower forum?

The Issues/Problems forum will do just fine....or the search button even better.

msrecant

The forum will be filled with all the threads that today are put in RX-8 DISCUSSION, TECH GARAGE, ISSUES & PROBLEMS and a bunch of other places. The problem is that you can't stop people from doing flooding posts, no matter how many times you tell them to search. With the colder weather the number of new threads has definitely jumped. What I am proposing is that if there is an obvious place to post on this topic, that it may help cut down on the redundancy of posts.

Do a serach on the word "flood" and you get the 500 threads, which I believe is the search maximum. Hence, there is probably a lot more out there.

It may well be beating a dead horse, but people want to beat it. And yes, I believe there should also be a gas mileage forum but I am aiming at one windmill at a time.

RX8_GT

Msrecant:

I support a subforum for Flooding for two main reasons.

1. Support for those who face this issue. They could find the latest and hopefully the best info there. Nothing wrong with ventilation. Support for getting the latest fix before the big flood ... etc.

2. Ability to gauge the depth of the issue - Is the latest fix the final one? Will the issue resurface as cars age? Or even reduce more. Should maintenance be changed to address the issue? Perhaps more frequent spark plug changes, more frequent battery checks --- etc.

John

bascho

John,

I don't think the battery, plugs and starter are a 'fix' for flooding.....they are a band-aid. The starter and battery need replacing regardless of the flooding issue because they are not matched correctly to the needs of the car. The plugs are only changed because the flooding 'fouled' them up. I am pretty sure that even after the new parts are installed per the TSB, Mazda will want you to follow the procedures shown in the manual....correct? You should read some of the threads regarding flooding to understand that a true 'fix' is not coming anytime soon. Ask any rotary powered car owner from the last 20 years about the flooding issue.....it's been around long before the Renesis and the RX8.

yiksing

So instead of just flooding their cars, now they wanna flood the forum!

msrecant

I have yet to find a post where an RX-8, built after 3/22/05 or upgraded with all 4 flood related improvements, has flooded. I have been advertising for flood info on such cars on this and several other RX-8 forums. At this point it doesn't "prove" anything but we will see as time goes on.

You are correct, even the latest TSB has a last page that says to avoid shutting the engine off cold.

Now, wouldn't it be great to have a sub-forum where you and John and I could discuss this topic? That is rather than doing it here in the middle of "forum suggestions" forum.

msrecant

They are already flooding the forum! I am suggesting we want it to all go in one spot.

bascho

Good point

Rhawb

I flooded mine in FL and yeah, I was being stupid, but man did it ever bite me in the *** for not letting it warm up that ONE time. I had never moved the car a short distance without letting it run sufficiently or at least giving it 3k rpms for a few seconds; but this time I was sick, didn't feel like standing up for very long at all and my car needed to be out in the driveway since we needed the garage space. I gave it a quick move and went right back in to go to bed (since I was all dizzy from standing thanks to the flu). When I went to move it back in, bam, it was flooded. Deflooding didn't work and we even tried it until the battery ran out. Sure it was my own fault, but it just goes to show that if you screw up ONE time, you can be screwed.

I'm not angry with the car or Mazda one bit, in fact I'm happier than ever with the car now that I have all the upgraded parts. Just make sure you don't give it a quick move just that one time or you could be eating your words.

Oh and on-topic - no need for a subforum, yelling at the new folks will do just fine